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Almost sounds like the Turntable is plugged into wrong preamp input, if, a non-turntable input. Travis

I really liked the Capitol Records thing as well

@Chief bonehead and @dBspl Top notch

Paul Jacobs, President and CEO of Klipsch Group, Inc., discussing the Klipsch Museum of Audio History at CES 2017. Fast forward to 11:30 of video

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Just wanted to let you know it's an option if something materializes.

I probably wasn't clear in the way I mentioned it. The context of the thread at the time I mentioned Points 6, 7 and 8 was speaker design parameters. It seemed to me that 6, 7 and 8 were more towards placement and number in a way to get the full benefit of the fairly new source of sound on the market, Stereo. I have heard Roy and Jim Hunter talk a great deal about Paul's Core Design Principles, and have seen the Cardinal Points article and discussion about it in the past. The Cardinal Points seems to be how to optimize stereo sound with what you have, including some of his design principles. His design principles seem to be just that, about how to design a loudspeaker. He mentions something in that article that I had to re-read several times because I am not a technical person. On page 206 he says: "Naturalness of music reproduction depends on the dynamic range, and horn performance is the best means of attaining such dynamic range." So use horns. No surprise there coming from PWK. Why horns, because they are the best at getting you dynamic range. He goes on to say: "Frequency response was almost omitted from this consideration because it rates about last in importance. Yet more is spent to gain "flat" frequency response than in optimizing other values." Is he saying that dynamic range and other values are more important than flat frequency response? Or something else? Did his 8 Cardinal Points evolve over time to become his core principals of design? How do the 8 Cardinal Points correspond to PWK's Four Core Principles of Loud Speaker Design? High Efficiency Low Distortion Controlled Directivity Flat Frequency Response

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I'm going, I can bring it up there for you. Travis

I thought what happened in Hope, stayed in Hope? Well the bag is out of that cat. I think things are looking good for KGI on many fronts. Bringing back Fortes. Venturing out a little bit with 15s and getting in with vinyl resurgence by offering MM and MC inputs. Great looking headphones. Whole house audio components. Products that are appealing to kids, women, etc. The stuff the Roy is working on in the Bone works. A very bright looking future.

Then he started working on the Jubilee with Roy For design aims, shouldn't it be the five "Cardinal Points"? Six, seven and eight don't seem to have anything to do with speaker design. No 8, toe in, don't seem to apply to Khorns at all. Widely spaced, is a course going to be limited by the room they are going to go in. Seem some funny posts in hear over the years about people needing to buy new houses to get the full potential of their speakers. Number of speakers, obviously was going to his Heresy (or Belle) in the middle. It is a Cardinal Point, but I wonder who many of us in here are running stereo systems with a center channel, summed as Paul designed it. I wonder what Paul thought about 5.1, and beyond.

Went to school in New Haven, and loved visiting New Hampshire. I think there is a set of Jubes in New Hampshire, @Coytee has the list and I think he recently mentioned to someone that there was a pair their. He should see this and maybe he can jump in. Travis

Always loved that article. It was interesting to re-read this quote: Seems to me PWK was interested in a "15" with a 6.7 foot cubic foot box and horns. Was he open to the possibilities of this? He mentions "desirable size." Was he acknowledging that his speakers, while of better fidelity, were of undesirable size? What is the sq footage of a cornwall? A Forte? So in this room where designs are mooted, would headphone and earphones be dead? Or is that a different room because the 8 Cardinal Rules don't apply to earphones (although the "toe in" rule would seem to be fully utilized. I don't know what you call the product category that the One, Three, and Stadium fall into, but do you simply choose not to enter into that category because you know you can't comply with the Cardinal rules? Even if it a market many times the size of floor standing loudspeakers and projected to only get bigger. The AR3A had a market share of 1/3 of all loud speakers in the mid-60s. No speaker has had that since. It may have been of inferior audio quality, for a number of reasons, but it was what the market wanted. Edgar published his speaker specs and data starting in late 50s. That product ran it's course, they tried to diversify into turntables, that turned out to be the wrong thing to diversify into if you want to remain viable. Swallowed by Teledyne, swallowed by Voxx. The market that appreciates the 8 Cardinal Rules, better quality sound, is shrinking. You have to figure a way of getting younger people turned on to the personal, smaller products, have superior sound and quality, get them brand loyal, and move them up as their incomes rise, along with living area sq. footage. Don't know what exact markets size of the different products are, and magazine subscriptions are not the whole market, but give some of starting point, here are three at random: Bass Master 500,217 17 Magazine Glamour magazine targeted for girls aged 10 to 21 1.5 Million Stereophile 70,000 These speakers were on display at the Venetian for CES 2017, look kind of similar to the 15, but completely different concept. I bet the 15s will sound better than these, by a wide margin.

Welcome to the forum. A lot of Jazz lovers here. Where are you located? We may be able to hook you up for a listen to Jubes sooner rather than later. Travis

What brand are the tubeso? You can, in many cases tell from that whether they are original or not.

Give Terry DeWick a call for a second opinion and Craig at @NOS Valves I have personal experience with each of them, and both are top notch.

They look beautiful. It will be nice to give those a listen in Hope if that ends up working out.

I agree with you completely. Apparently you didn't see the RTIC cooler thread recently in the lounge section. There are some that don't agree with us that buying Made in USA is worth a premium. They believe that if quality is about equal, price becomes a major factor.

Of course they/we would. A Yeti cooler, not so much (different story). That would be of historical proportions. Thanks for letting a little "bag out of the cat" Steve. Nice to see the attempt, regardless of how it works out. Just don't call 'em or put "Heritage" in the name or they may string you up for the Pilgrimage.

Wish we had know you were in the market for big WE horns. The Klipsch Museum of Audio History just sold a couple of pair for KGI. They had your name written all over them. The buyer, who is probably has the world's largest collection of WE horns and drivers, kept talking about the sound, and it is the how he just loves the sound, but that many, many people do not. He said people say, "no punch, no punch." Paul Klipsch was obviously intrigued with them, to the point where he collected some.

Mike: You are an engineer at a top tier microphone and headphone company that was an innovator in microphone technology going back to what, the 1930s? Are you suggesting they design and engineer a product just because they can, without giving any consideration to the target market is willing to pay, the competition, etc? I don't think Chris, the president and ceo of the company you work for would ever do that. I don't think KGI needs any help with designing speakers, you and I know they have some of the best in the business. What they, along with every other viable consumer electronic company in existence, need to do is find out what consumers want, create innovative products that satisfy that want with a quality that fits in with their brand. All at a competitive price. Your company has gone to manufacturing in Mexico, and more recently in China, presumably to have competitive pricing, while retaining quality. I would think you would want to start with what is the size of the high fi speaker market. CEA has those figures, KGI is intimately involved with CEA. Than I would think you would want to know what the market is for wireless speakers (KGI is on industry groups working on standards for this as well), what the size of the market is for active, powered plug and play speakers. The limited data I have seen (and it is very limited because you typically have to pay for the good, accurate data), is that the wireless/powered speaker market last year was a multiple of at least 10x of what the hi fi speaker market was. They are obviously going retro in the powered speaker market, a niche that Steve and his team have identified is large enough to pursue the product to this stage, and at a price they can be competitive with. That's how companies like KGI and yours have remained around for so long. They make a quality product, and a competitive price, for a market that WANTS that product. Want you need to do Mike is figure out a way to make a limited edition of the Shure V15 that sounds the same as the original and at a competitive price. Figure out a way to replace the rare metals with more available materials and you could even "bring it back" like the Forte. Then you get your marketing people to figure out a way to Co-op that with KGI for a turntable/V15 cartridge combo with 15s. I think you guys could sell a boatload of them together. Travis

An awesome fallback position to be in.

It is a number they have thrown out there for years, I think it is less as the channels have increased, but with wide screen, , if you have dialogue between two actors it is pretty much going to be from the center. I think action is going to take you all over the place. It was bill Hendrix, he had to go with JubeScala because of size limitations BTS.

The Historian @JRH is out of town this weekend, but I will be sure to point him here when he returns to see if he can ad anything. Gil, do you still have your research from that project over 10 years ago? I bet you have come across things we don't have in the archives and I would like to talk with you about possibly sharing some of your finds with the Museum. Travis