Travis In Austin

Congratulations JMON, you are going to love those. Travis

OT interjection/query? Do you still make sealing wax? If so, do you make it in the same room as you make salsa? Travis

Ok... The sock-pupet formally requests the fillowing plots on your network: * Complex impedance in R magnitude and polar phase seen my the amplifier using real driver loads. I can accept R +-jX too if you like. * Group delay and insertion Phase through the mid-range port. * Absolute insertion loss of the midrange channel. (no shelving) * Absolute loss through the tweeter filter. (No problem here - yours doen't provide shelving). BTW: I already gave these plots to Lee a day or so ago in case this came up.. Maybe he will post them for me after you post yours. Al K. So what's going on here... I'm speculating that the ALK has made estimated plots using it's PCFILT software based on what it thinks the net topology and L and C values are. Here, he's publically admitted to making a first attempt at reverse engineering and has also admitted to transferring that result to another. That said, to calibrate the model predictions it is getting from its PCFILT simulator and complete the reverse engineering of the network, the ALK is requesting the complex impedance, preferably with a non-inductive resistive load (the added reactance of actual loads complicates the simulation a tad). If the data is provided by yours truly, it then becomes a matter for the ALK to run the simulation with a few iterations of L and C values until the predicted impedance from PCFILT matches the actual data provided. The group delay of the signal through the network is another simulation parameter. I have interest in providing as much information to customers as is necessary to make an informed decision. Providing data that enables one to reverse engineer is clearly beyond that. I have no interest in having a design I've develop reverse engineered. I don't care if one does, I'm not going to help however. There's a good reason to show the impedance, I'll show the frequency range from 20-400Hz and that's shown below. It's also the impedance of the Klipschorn folded bass unit I used to run the initial impedance plots. The data goes to 30kHz. I also considered being "cheeky" here and contemplated cobbling together an ALK "universal" network and then provide the information requested above as data from my net. It would have been amusing to see the ALK "explode" with that one! It would be easy to do but would take the better part of a full day especially if I wish to provide frequency response plots on a Klipschorn too. You Sir, are a Real Engineer, and a Real Gentleman. Well said. Travis

Autonomous cars was original. The Beatles suck was original. I suggest contest for most original post. I am trying to select my entry form these possibilities: 1. Can capacitors make a difference in sound? 2. Can cables improve your system? 3. Which is better, vinyl or CDs? 4. Is global warming real? 5. How do you feel about guns? 6. I have brand new Klipsch _______ will crossover upgrades improve the sound, and which amp will sound the best with those crossovers? 7. How do I perform a search on this forum? Does anyone know off hand if these have been discussed before? Or should I do a search? Travis

Burning my Cars albums.

It is well documented that in early days of cd that many, many cds were mastered from the "vinyl master tape" which is the tape created from the outputs of amps that go to the cutting heads. There tapes were made so that if a new master had to be cut, which was frequent, they had an exact cooy to cut another master. It was frequently the only master quickly available in the mad rush to get back catalog on CD. The lables with multiple pressing plants all did this, Capitol, Atlantic, Columbia, etc. Travis

Do you have a "top pick" or reference high res disc you would recommend?

I understand that he had had a lot on his plate lately. Is there any update? How is his wife doing?

Now that is cool. Do you mind sharing where that might be?

Guys, guys, guys. Wow, lots of interesting stuff here. It is interesting to see the different approaches to the same problem. I guess it is all about perspective, the technical background that one comes from that carries forward into the final product. Also interesting to see the passion behind the product/disign. Most interesting is how the memory of some seem to fade coupled with attempts at revisionist history. The internet is a very unforgiving medium. Ask anyone caught, literally, with their pants down on YouTube or Twitter. It is forever, it doesn't go away. Everything that is posted is pretty much forever unless, and until, the content owner decides to delete the content. Here is an example from Al's current website. It might aid some in understanding how he thinks and his logic. Ifi you can understand the logic in this, then I think it will help those who may not understand the logic in some of his posts: ** A word about on-line audio forums **I have concluded that I will never participate in any of the on-line forums ever again. Vendors such as myself are treated like dirt by the moderators (unless you pay to sponsor them) as well as forum members who assume their only motive is to peddle their stuff! I don't need forums to promote my stuff! I have intentionally had myself banned from these forums so that I will never again be tempted to log on to them: The Klipsch company forum. AudioAficionado.org <== This forum assumes new members are dirt until they prove otherwise! AudioKarma.org <== These moderators are extremely narrow-minded! The advice and information offered in any of these forms is mostly Bull$hit by amateurs who know little or nothing about what they are saying. Any attempt by competent people to call out snake-oil products is met with resistance. This causes those who actually know (usually vendors) to say nothing. The moderators will not point out the snake-oil leaving the entire forum as a exercise in the blind leading the blind! So to my blind brethren on this forum, I guess you should be prepared to see the light. DO YOU SEE THE LIGHT?

It is gone, sorry I missed it. Can your paraphrase the gist?

Just saw a documentary last night about CPS in Canada. Some very scary stuff. "Dear Zachary" I thought they favored temporary placement with a blood relative, i.e., you, over COS/Foster care? Not sure how they do things in Michigan.

Well the answer is right there on the internet, from Wikipedia, from Horn Loudspeaker section: "The main advantage of horn loudspeakers is they are more efficient; they can typically produce 10 times (10 dB) more sound power than a cone speaker from a given amplifier output. Therefore horns are widely used in public address systems, megaphones, and sound systems for large venues like theaters, auditoriums, and sports stadiums. Their disadvantage is that their frequency response is more uneven because of resonance peaks, and horns have a cutoff frequency below which their response drops off. To achieve adequate response at bass frequencies horn speakers must be very large and cumbersome, so they are more often used for midrange and high frequencies. The first practical loudspeakers, introduced around the turn of the 20th century, were horn speakers. Due to the development in recent decades of more efficient cone loudspeakers, which have a flatter frequency response, use of horn speakers in high fidelity audio systems has declined." There you have it, horns have a lack of flat frequency response.

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Arrto, Have you run across these people? http://www.prostudiomasters.com/topsellers#x There website claims masters direct from the record labels (whatever that means, they don't specify ) in either AIFF or FLAC.

I have owned every model of Heritage speaker, and I currently own Jubilees, Cornwalls, and industrial Khorns.. I have amped Khorns with SS McIntosh, tube McIntosh, and demoed them with BAT, Conrad Johnson and just about everything in between. They sound great with Mac gear, nut they sound great with a lot of other things also. I had them on a 20' wall, and I have heard them at friend's homes as close as 5 or 6' apart. They have sounded great eveywhere I have hear them, but they sound better with more room like you have. You will be extremely happy with new Khorns. I am trying to recall if anyone has ever mentioned any amp being a bad match on here, and I really can't recall anyone saying they had a bad match-up. What you will find out, I think, is that you can start to hear the difference in various types of amplification through Khorns. You can also hear any noise they put out, they will quickly reveal shortcomings in amps, and recordings. You will find a preference in one. Looking forward to seeing them once you get them in place. Do you know what finish you think you are going to go with?

Farrell's is still around, but only a handfull of locations. Still the pig trough, and still the Zoo, but it is 60 bucks now.

John this thread has proved one thing for me and that is you have shown real class in your responses and an open mind miketn +1

I think you got a good buy, they are awesome speakers. What will you power them with? Finally a review from someone that own Khorns and Palladiums. Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Just curious, which Palladiums do you own? Am I to understand that this forum, above all other forums, has no direct comparisons of these two systems? That's rather interesting. I have the 37's. The dealer had 38's to demo, but not the 39's. The 38's presented a larger soundstage (of course) and I could easily be persuaded into believing that the 39's surpass the stage of the Khorns. Both of those models were too much for my intended needs so I settled on the 37's. Mind you, I have two different amps so it may account for some of the sound differences I described. And of course everyone has different tastes when it come to music. But...when I first got them I did an A/B comparison on the same amp and from memory, I would say my description above is accurate. I would add that the Palladium's seemed to have more dimensions and depth. They are the closest I have come to the sound you get when you have on a quality headphone. You know that sound right? Well the Palladium reminds me of it. The detail; the richness; the smoothness and the depth. I do hear things from them that I do not hear on the Khorns-at least not as clearly. The only areas the Khorns exceed the Palladium's is the low end and the very large soundstage. Everywhere else they do not - even against the lowly 37's. But again, that's just my opinion. I like that review? What size room? Do you have a photo of how they are placed.

You have a recent photo of those? Would be interesting to see.

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Do you have the photo of the room they are going into? That would help tremendously. My advice is listen to yamaha for a reference to get an idea on where you want to go from there. What part of the country are you in, we might be able to help you audition some amps. Travis

Glad to see you Fini,I am guessing with that multistep process the number one priority is a crisp, clean record, tje music be dammed.

Why?Money, what else. Notice what two long term media they reccomend in this article? Magnetic tape and optical disks, in cold storage.Optical disks they are saying have a shelf life of 50 years. http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomcoughlin/2014/06/29/keeping-data-for-a-long-time/

I think there are several videos on youtube about this, at least I remember watching ine or two. I have nevwr heard of anyone suffering damage from using this method, however, I have heard many people say it made zero difference. Obviously try it out on a bargin bin record, and tell us what you find iut. Travis