The Dude Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 A long time ago I had a Pentax 6 x 7 with a lot of extra stuff. What I liked best was when I took the picture it went "caaaajunnnk" so loud that everybody could hear it and new that the picture had been taken. This was one bad *** camera. Not for ladies. JJK Was it heavy?Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 A long time ago I had a Pentax 6 x 7 with a lot of extra stuff. What I liked best was when I took the picture it went "caaaajunnnk" so loud that everybody could hear it and new that the picture had been taken. This was one bad *** camera. Not for ladies. JJK Was it heavy?Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk Yes it was very big and very heavy with very big lenses. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Sargent Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Nearly always, Heavier = Better pictures. Example: I can take a Canon F4.0 L 24-105mm to a basketball game and probably cover everything OK, but I can take a much heavier Canon F2.8 L 70-200mm and know I'll have it. Compromises must be made! Edited November 16, 2015 by JL Sargent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twk123 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) I wonder about the "good camera" statement. For people who serious shutterbugs, that could be getting up near the professional range. My guess is that your wife is not at that level. Just something above a cell phone or point and shoot. What do the learned people here think of this one? The price is right in the target range, with some left over. You can buy her the telephoto lens for the wedding anniversary or b-day. Cameras are great that way because accessories make good follow-up gifts. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1030209-REG/canon_9126b003_eos_a_rebel_t5_dslr.html WMcD A nice camera, but will the initiated realize how limited this lens is?Quote The Rebel T5 is compatible with the full line of Canon EF and EF-S lenses, and is paired here with the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II lens. This lens offers wide-angle to standard focal lengths, with a 35mm equivalency of 29-88mm. It is a versatile lens that can focus as close as 9.8". End An aperture of f/3.5 to f/5.6 is nearly a fixed aperture lens! Like in a Brownie camera! Is never suggest that to someone who wants to explore photography techniques for great interesting photos. Even beginners need the right tools. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Just a heads up- that is not the aperture range but the lowest aperture it will go at each zoom range. So at 18mm the max is f3.5 and at 55mm the max is f5.6. The kit lens is good to get started but it is limited and not a 'fast' lens by any means. However there are other extremely cheap lenses to explore in the Canon lineup like the well known and dirt cheap 50mm f1.8 that make the Rebel t5 a great choice. Edited November 16, 2015 by twk123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I wonder about the "good camera" statement. For people who serious shutterbugs, that could be getting up near the professional range. My guess is that your wife is not at that level. Just something above a cell phone or point and shoot. What do the learned people here think of this one? The price is right in the target range, with some left over. You can buy her the telephoto lens for the wedding anniversary or b-day. Cameras are great that way because accessories make good follow-up gifts. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1030209-REG/canon_9126b003_eos_a_rebel_t5_dslr.html WMcD A nice camera, but will the initiated realize how limited this lens is?Quote The Rebel T5 is compatible with the full line of Canon EF and EF-S lenses, and is paired here with the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II lens. This lens offers wide-angle to standard focal lengths, with a 35mm equivalency of 29-88mm. It is a versatile lens that can focus as close as 9.8". End An aperture of f/3.5 to f/5.6 is nearly a fixed aperture lens! Like in a Brownie camera! Is never suggest that to someone who wants to explore photography techniques for great interesting photos. Even beginners need the right tools. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Just a heads up- that is not the aperture range but the lowest aperture it will go at each zoom range. So at 18mm the max is f3.5 and at 55mm the max is f5.6. The kit lens is good to get started but it is limited and not a 'fast' lens by any means. However there are other extremely cheap lenses to explore in the Canon lineup like the well known and dirt cheap 50mm f1.8 that make the Rebel t5 a great choice. Right. And the effect is that the lens produces pictures which LOOK like they came from a fixed aperture camera. If you want to explore limiting the depth of field, bokeh, as used in so much fine photography, you will need a lens that opens to at least f/2.8. It's just my opinion. But it is informed by the numerous beginners I have coached, who bought cameras with very limited lenses and learned they could not produce blurred background, or bokeh with these lenses, and then had to buy a real camera. It's just an opinion. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twk123 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I wonder about the "good camera" statement. For people who serious shutterbugs, that could be getting up near the professional range. My guess is that your wife is not at that level. Just something above a cell phone or point and shoot. What do the learned people here think of this one? The price is right in the target range, with some left over. You can buy her the telephoto lens for the wedding anniversary or b-day. Cameras are great that way because accessories make good follow-up gifts. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1030209-REG/canon_9126b003_eos_a_rebel_t5_dslr.html WMcD A nice camera, but will the initiated realize how limited this lens is?Quote The Rebel T5 is compatible with the full line of Canon EF and EF-S lenses, and is paired here with the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II lens. This lens offers wide-angle to standard focal lengths, with a 35mm equivalency of 29-88mm. It is a versatile lens that can focus as close as 9.8". End An aperture of f/3.5 to f/5.6 is nearly a fixed aperture lens! Like in a Brownie camera! Is never suggest that to someone who wants to explore photography techniques for great interesting photos. Even beginners need the right tools. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Just a heads up- that is not the aperture range but the lowest aperture it will go at each zoom range. So at 18mm the max is f3.5 and at 55mm the max is f5.6. The kit lens is good to get started but it is limited and not a 'fast' lens by any means. However there are other extremely cheap lenses to explore in the Canon lineup like the well known and dirt cheap 50mm f1.8 that make the Rebel t5 a great choice. Right. And the effect is that the lens produces pictures which LOOK like they came from a fixed aperture camera.If you want to explore limiting the depth of field, bokeh, as used in so much fine photography, you will need a lens that opens to at least f/2.8. It's just my opinion. But it is informed by the numerous beginners I have coached, who bought cameras with very limited lenses and learned they could not produce blurred background, or bokeh with these lenses, and then had to buy a real camera. It's just an opinion. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk But that is the point of buying the Rebel T5. Yeah the kit lens is not the best but you can put on any canon EF or EF-S lenses as well as numerous third party lenses from Tokina, Tamron, Rokinon etc. on the rebel and it only takes 10 seconds to swap out. He has a budget of $500 and can get the Rebel T5 for $400 and the Canon 50mm F1.8 for $100 which is extremely sharp and fast with awesome bokeh. Down the road they can get a $180 telephoto and for about $700 have a body and lens collection spanning from 18mm to 250mm and an extremely fast medium telephoto lens for low light (50mm is 80mm on a crop sensor). That is why I am suggesting a entry DLSR as there are more cheap options and its easier to upgrade camera bodies and still use your lenses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twk123 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Those Pentax look great, thanks for the info. Someone had mentioned something about double a batteries vs a battery pack. Do you guys prefer one or the other? I purchased a Sony HD camcorder a couple years back and upgraded the battery pack. The battery pack seems to die before I run out of sd card space, so to me it would be nice to just swap out some batteries. But then you walk around with a pocket of spare double a's I would go with a battery pack, aftermarket batteries and chargers are cheap and easy to bring anywhere. I also second the Rebel T5, it is very light and user friendly and something you can grow into. The Pentex does not have nearly as many lens or aftermarket options for batteries etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldenough Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) I'll make a recommendation for you...Sony Alpha a6000, I have found this camera to be nothing short of perfect, and my wife also just loves it. I more often than not grab this camera over my Sony and Nikon DSLR cameras. Same size sensor, lenses are interchangeable, great picture quality, small, affordable, and some good quality lenses are available....Oh and video of course. The Nikon and Canon fanboys will of course not agree with my opinion of this camera, Sony is a dirty word to them. Edited November 17, 2015 by oldenough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The Rebel is gaining support I see. So maybe you can't go far wrong with it or the similar Nikon. One problem here is that we don't know, and she might not know, what area of photography Duder's wife will pursue. A starter camera maybe a compromise but will be a learning tool. I liked available light photography back in the day. The F3 was marvelous too. Now the sensors are more sensitive than much of film. It is new world. (My first and continuing use camera is an old Mavica. The other new world is processing the image with Gymp or Photoshop. Anyone can spend a good amount of time experimenting with that regardless of the digital camera used. I can't say the camera doesn't matter yet just as in the old days where darkroom techniques were a big part of the hobby, so too these days is digital processing. I read about image stabilization and fast sensors. Let me recount an advertisement by Hasselblad. It said, image quality depends on three things. Film flatness, quality of the lens, (Hasselblad had those covered), and a tripod. When using my old Mavica the tripod makes a tremendous difference. No cable shutter activator, just use the timer. So when Duder gets the wife a camera let me suggest that someone (another Christmas elf) buy her a tripod. WMcD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The Pentax uses the APS-C sensor as well. I've always liked their cameras. After my first Minolta fom the '60s, I got a Pentax. I used it for years until I handed it on to my older son. Other than it using a threaded lens mount, it was a great camera. Great glass for the money. Bruce The 42 mm Pentax threaded lens mount (aka M42) was replaced by the first K bayonet mount around 1975. The original K-mount has been upgraded and updated over the years, to allow for autofocussing and increased transfer of data between the camera and the lens. However, modern Pentax cameras can use almost any K-mount lens, right back to the first ones. It's even possible to use the 42 mm thread-mount lenses with an inexpensive adapter. Naturally, there are fewer features available with that kind of setup, but it's still easy to take good pictures with it. This means that there are literally millions of used lenses that will fit a modern Pentax DSLR that uses the K-mount. Some of the smaller Pentax cameras use different mounts, and the professional medium format 645 series Pentax cameras use a larger mount to go with their bigger sensors. This Wiki page gives some idea of the numbers of lenses usable on Pentax APS-C DSLRs and 35 mm cameras: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_K-mount This page has more about Pentax lenses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_(lens) A very useful feature that's found on most Pentax DSLRs is in-body shake reduction. This means that shake reduction (SR, as Pentax calls it) is available with any lens you attach to a Pentax body with SR, no matter how old or obscure it is. With Canon and Nikon, the shake reduction, called VR (Vibration Reduction) for Nikon, and Image Stabilization (IS) for Canon, is a feature of the lenses, and adds weight and expense to them. If you want to use older lenses with Canon or Nikon cameras, shake reduction will probably not be available. Shake reduction is not just a frill. It's a very useful feature that lets you get sharp pictures at shutter speeds that would normally be a couple of stops too slow. This is especially useful in dim shooting conditions. I mentioned in an earlier post that most Pentax DSLRs are weather resistant. Just how weather resistant are they, you ask? Well, this US Army photographer is using two Pentax cameras, a K-7 and a K-5, along with a couple of DA* pro line Pentax lenses. The video is only 2 minutes long, and he shows how the cameras and lenses stand up to Afghanistan grade dust and dirt: PENTAX DUST AND WEATHER SEALING IN AFGHANISTAN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo61t5fH6Qw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 I am now in comparing mode with the Pentax K-50 and the Rebel t5. I like the waterproofing on the Pentax, they appear to be light at 1.8 lbs without the lenses. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/982523-REG/pentax_10883_k_50_digital_camera_body.html http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=canon+eos+rebel+t5&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ps It may come down to the better deal I can get a local shop come next Friday You folks have been a big help, there seems to be so many of these cameras it would have been overwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thank you for bring up the subject! I've been interested myself in buying a camera and I'm quite fascinated by the Canon SL-1 from your first post. I've probably read a couple hundred reviews on it already and have been looking at the different kits available online. I'm going to go back to Kenmore Camera and actually hold one in my hand before I make a final decision but from what I've read so far it seems like the perfect camera for me and its in a reasonable price range as well. Thanks again! Jesse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Well, I took the plunge. I went to the camera shop and the full sized SLR's are just too bulky for my liking. I picked up the Canon SL-1 and thought it felt great in my hands. I went home and did more research and found that Canon was selling refurbished SL-1's with the 18-55mm lens kit for $250 so I ordered one up. That lens gets good reviews but it is a pretty long lens for point and shoot so I ordered a smaller, "nifty fifty" as they're referred to, suppose to be an excellent lens as well. I added a car charger for the battery packs along with three extra batteries and two Sandisk Extreme 32gb SD cards. All in all camera was $275 after tax, 50mm lens was $110, charger w/ 3 batteries $25 and 2 SD cards $45 totaling about $450 out the door. My budget was $500 but I still need a few things like a carrying case and lens caps / filters and such. Can't wait to try this sucker out!! http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-sl1-18-55-is-stm-lens-kit-refurbished?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=DSAs&utm_content=DSAs&utm_campaign=DSAs&cm_mmc=GA-_-CanonOnlineStore-_-151030PLA-_-DSAs http://www.ebay.com/itm/391312811856?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-SDHC-16GB-32GB-64GB-SDXC-Extreme-90MB-SD-UHS-I-U3-4K-C10-Flash-Card-LOT-/321789459461?var=&hash=item4aec257c05:m:muYmY5wrk2hnF7WiOl-d0Gw http://www.ebay.com/itm/371130368320?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well, I took the plunge. I went to the camera shop and the full sized SLR's are just too bulky for my liking. I picked up the Canon SL-1 and thought it felt great in my hands. I went home and did more research and found that Canon was selling refurbished SL-1's with the 18-55mm lens kit for $250 so I ordered one up. That lens gets good reviews but it is a pretty long lens for point and shoot so I ordered a smaller, "nifty fifty" as they're referred to, suppose to be an excellent lens as well. I added a car charger for the battery packs along with three extra batteries and two Sandisk Extreme 32gb SD cards. All in all camera was $275 after tax, 50mm lens was $110, charger w/ 3 batteries $25 and 2 SD cards $45 totaling about $450 out the door. My budget was $500 but I still need a few things like a carrying case and lens caps / filters and such. Can't wait to try this sucker out!! http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-sl1-18-55-is-stm-lens-kit-refurbished?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=DSAs&utm_content=DSAs&utm_campaign=DSAs&cm_mmc=GA-_-CanonOnlineStore-_-151030PLA-_-DSAs http://www.ebay.com/itm/391312811856?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-SDHC-16GB-32GB-64GB-SDXC-Extreme-90MB-SD-UHS-I-U3-4K-C10-Flash-Card-LOT-/321789459461?var=&hash=item4aec257c05:m:muYmY5wrk2hnF7WiOl-d0Gw http://www.ebay.com/itm/371130368320?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Thanks for sharing, I will keep that in mind after this next week once I stop in my local camera shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twk123 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well, I took the plunge. I went to the camera shop and the full sized SLR's are just too bulky for my liking. I picked up the Canon SL-1 and thought it felt great in my hands. I went home and did more research and found that Canon was selling refurbished SL-1's with the 18-55mm lens kit for $250 so I ordered one up. That lens gets good reviews but it is a pretty long lens for point and shoot so I ordered a smaller, "nifty fifty" as they're referred to, suppose to be an excellent lens as well. I added a car charger for the battery packs along with three extra batteries and two Sandisk Extreme 32gb SD cards. All in all camera was $275 after tax, 50mm lens was $110, charger w/ 3 batteries $25 and 2 SD cards $45 totaling about $450 out the door. My budget was $500 but I still need a few things like a carrying case and lens caps / filters and such. Can't wait to try this sucker out!! http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-sl1-18-55-is-stm-lens-kit-refurbished?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=DSAs&utm_content=DSAs&utm_campaign=DSAs&cm_mmc=GA-_-CanonOnlineStore-_-151030PLA-_-DSAs http://www.ebay.com/itm/391312811856?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-SDHC-16GB-32GB-64GB-SDXC-Extreme-90MB-SD-UHS-I-U3-4K-C10-Flash-Card-LOT-/321789459461?var=&hash=item4aec257c05:m:muYmY5wrk2hnF7WiOl-d0Gw http://www.ebay.com/itm/371130368320?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Awesome! I think you made a good choice. If you want a good cheap bag the Amazon Basics one is really nice and has padded organization pockets for your lenses etc. Its small enough to put under the seat if you have to fly with it too which is really nice: http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Backpack-DSLR-Cameras-Accessories/dp/B002VPE1WK As for the actual art of photography, B&H has an awesome youtube channel with hours and hours of pro photographers who give lectures and tutorials and they are fun to watch when you have some spare time: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA2A7966A44E77011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well, I took the plunge. I went to the camera shop and the full sized SLR's are just too bulky for my liking. I picked up the Canon SL-1 and thought it felt great in my hands. I went home and did more research and found that Canon was selling refurbished SL-1's with the 18-55mm lens kit for $250 so I ordered one up. That lens gets good reviews but it is a pretty long lens for point and shoot so I ordered a smaller, "nifty fifty" as they're referred to, suppose to be an excellent lens as well. I added a car charger for the battery packs along with three extra batteries and two Sandisk Extreme 32gb SD cards. All in all camera was $275 after tax, 50mm lens was $110, charger w/ 3 batteries $25 and 2 SD cards $45 totaling about $450 out the door. My budget was $500 but I still need a few things like a carrying case and lens caps / filters and such. Can't wait to try this sucker out!! http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-sl1-18-55-is-stm-lens-kit-refurbished?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=DSAs&utm_content=DSAs&utm_campaign=DSAs&cm_mmc=GA-_-CanonOnlineStore-_-151030PLA-_-DSAs http://www.ebay.com/itm/391312811856?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-SDHC-16GB-32GB-64GB-SDXC-Extreme-90MB-SD-UHS-I-U3-4K-C10-Flash-Card-LOT-/321789459461?var=&hash=item4aec257c05:m:muYmY5wrk2hnF7WiOl-d0Gw http://www.ebay.com/itm/371130368320?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT The nifty 50 is a bargain and will be much sharper than the budget zoom it would have come with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 I just wanted to update everyone, that I went with the Canon t5. I like the idea of the weather proofing on the Pentax. But the Canon was on sale, so I didn't go to far over budget. Plus I got a warranty and two 16gb memory cards. We will see how she likes it. Thanks for all the input, I learned quite a bit about cameras from this thread, more than I ever thought I would know. Thank You. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Nearly always, Heavier = Better pictures. Example: I can take a Canon F4.0 L 24-105mm to a basketball game and probably cover everything OK, but I can take a much heavier Canon F2.8 L 70-200mm and know I'll have it. Compromises must be made! Funny when I was at the local shop, the kid behind the counter related it to speakers. How did he know I was a speaker nut, I'll never know. But I quote "bigger is better" as heavier is better. Well I hope he was referring to speakers. Anyways, I gave the gift to the wife this evening. As I knew she would want to use it tomorrow. She loves it, so I wanted to say thank you again for helping me pick out this gift for my wife that I know she will continue to use and love. Peace to all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 Fast forward 9 months. My wife still uses her camera at those important vents and has loved the photos she has taken. No she hasn't up her interest enough to make this a hobby, but it was still better than a cheap point and shoot option. The good news is my daughter has recently taken an interest in photography. Thinking about it, she has always had some interest in photography. As she has always had a camera. But now she has joined the year book club and asked for a better camera than the point and shoot we got her a few years back. Here is how i am looking at this and approaching this one. A dslr like some we have mentioned might be a bit over kill. However this gives my family ( mainly wife and daughter) to try different cameras. So this time around i am going used and would like give Pentax a try. I am going to start my search for the k5, k7, and k50 models. Are there any other models i should through in there? I know the lense will put me higher than what i want to spend, but again this is an opportunity for them to try something different. Does anyone have a recommendation on a single lense that would be good for the year book club? If she takes off with this and takes photography. Different lenses would make great Christmas/birthday gifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromnowon Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Hi, I chose a Nikon D3200 for my daughter last Christmas! It came bundled with both standard and telephoto lenses. It's been a great camera. Very flexible! Takes unbelievably-great photos. She's been able to use to learn about aperture and shutter speed combinations. It's fairly lightweight also. Anyway we like it a lot. (I borrow it!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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