OO1 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said: I hope a few as possible become infected. But, and you know this already, science is working on treatments and vaccines for this virus. The longer it can be kept under wraps the better. I do think it will be with humanity from here forward. But if we get treatments that work it will be just another disease that medical science will have conquered. are there any chances we may not be able to find a cure ? -----the reason , I am saying so , is the fact that it does not look like the big boys in the pharma -industry are in a hurry , or am I wrong to think this - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: At least we're beyond the politics of hydroxychloroquine. That whole episode was a joke on voters. POTUS latched onto that French study announced and followed up by FOX and maybe others. Guess I would too, if that was all that showed any sign of hope. Speaking to which, the Remdesivir Is looking possibly much better. Preliminary results per couple of posts here. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted April 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, wvu80 said: It was Andrew Jackson who supposedly said that, but we know what you mean. It has long been acknowledged that Lincoln did not have the constitutional authority to free the slaves in states in rebellion against the union Acknowledged by who? You need to be more precise. Read the Emancipation Proclamation, what it says, and under what conditions. In addition to scorching their earth he could cripple their economy It was all rendered moot by 13th Amendment. German, Italian and Japanese citizens, born in USA, were rounded up and put in concentration camps and that was deemed acceptable by SCOTUS during wartime. You can lock up people for merely opposing the draft (Debs). The list is endless. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted April 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2020 More to the point, is it Constitutional to require someone to get vaccinated? Yes. (Smallpox inoculation), about 100 years ago, when you had a very small chance of dying from live ca Is it Constitutional for a state to issue temporary emergency safeguards for the health and welfare of its citizen during a pandemic? Yes (Spanish flu) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, 000 said: ----historically speaking and not politically -what he should have he done instead , and could he have avoided the Civil War all together ---and all the loss of lives ---- Quoted Horace Greeley “wayward sisters, depart in peace”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: Acknowledged by who? You need to be more precise. Read the Emancipation Proclamation, what it says, and under what conditions. In addition to scorching their earth he could cripple their economy It was all rendered moot by 13th Amendment. German, Italian and Japanese citizens, born in USA, were rounded up and put in concentration camps and that was deemed acceptable by SCOTUS during wartime. You can lock up people for merely opposing the draft (Debs). The list is endless. . You are correct to point out other questionable acts of usurpation. Still, in that era, slaves were property. The 5th Amendment should have applied. Despite the usurpation, it was still for the better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco-d-gama Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, 000 said: are there any chances we may not be able to find a cure ? -----the reason , I am saying so , is the fact that it does not look like the big boys in the pharma -industry are in a hurry , or am I wrong to think this - There’s a storm of people working on a range of treatments for covid19 and the gov’t is fast tracking them all. When they find a workable vaccine there’s a firm in India already set up to produce massive volumes of the stuff. Just read about a new UV light application that in 12 seconds will decontaminate the exposed surfaces of a human of all pathogens. There’s research at the base level too. One group is looking at the metabolic pathways of ocean wood works (that are actually specialized clams) seeking a potential treatment. They will find something better than we’ve got. Lots of irons in this fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 660,000 died, or more. Not better. Many, many more than will prolly & hopefully die from the Wuhan Virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: German, Italian and Japanese citizens, born in USA, were rounded up the only ones to be exempted were those who served in the Military - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said: a new UV light application that in 12 seconds will decontaminate the exposed surfaces of a human of all pathogens. so that explains a lot - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sancho Panza said: Quoted Horace Greeley “wayward sisters, depart in peace”. much obliged - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, 000 said: the only ones to be exempted were those who served in the Military - Japanese in Hawaii were, for the most part exempt; as were most German & Italian Americans. Citizens... Edited April 29, 2020 by Sancho Panza Bold most part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 minute ago, 000 said: much obliged - My Greeley quote is taken out of full context. Look it up, if you want to learn more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted April 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: You are correct to point out other questionable acts of usurpation. Still, in that era, slaves were property. The 5th Amendment should have applied. Despite the usurpation, it was still for the better. Exactly. The states who seceded, and all of their residents, forfeited their right to property, forfeited their right to vote, forfeited their right to to engage in interstate and international commerce . . . In short, they forfeited their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Wrong. Do you contend the 13 colonies (States) did the same? Rights are God given, can’t be revoked by man. Unalienable, the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America proclaims. https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/29/2020 at 6:58 PM, Sancho Panza said: Japanese in Hawaii were, for the most part exempt; as were most German & Italian Americans. Citizens... some italians -Germans were in concentration camps in WW2 , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco-d-gama Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 Remdesivir has been shown to improve outcomes in covid19 by 31% over placebos. It will become SOP for treating covid19 and the manufacturer has already stockpile 140,000 doses and it is ramping up production. The drug was originally formulated to treat the Ebola virus. Oddly researchers think certain llama antibodies might be effective in disabling the covid19 virus. Just another treatment method in the works but still not proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 What was the Flag of the ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 The interment camp in Honolulu held hundreds of Japanese-Americans. You know. Citizens ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, wvu80 said: I missed that. I've been MIA from here while for a couple of weeks while trying to buy an EXTAR Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) to deal with the zombie apocalypse created by the zombie pandemic. It's a cool gun , did you get it to protect you , from rising crime due to covid 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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