CECAA850 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: Yeah but your deaf:) What you trying out? And why? TIA because I know I can understand the response. I'm trying a Schiit SYS in place of my Adcom pre. Why? I like trying new stuff (like different kinds of bourbon, LOL). I keep reading about how this pre does this well or that pre does that well. I don't want my pre to do anything other than transfer a signal to my amp. One of 3 things will happen. It'll sound better, it'll sound worse or it'll sound the same. If the Schiit sounds worse or the same, I'll stick with the Adcom. If it sounds better, I'll permanently remove the Adcom. The system sounds great as it is but I enjoy trying new things. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted August 24, 2020 Moderators Share Posted August 24, 2020 @CECAA850 I split this into it's own thread. Interested to see what you thought. Travis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: @CECAA850 I split this into it's own thread. Interested to see what you thought. Travis I only got to use it on one system this weekend and had to send it back home with my daughter. Speakers were 396's combined with a 684 sub. QSC on the speakers and Crown on the sub. I put the SYS in place of my Adcom pre. The SYS seemed a little clearer up high where the cymbals live and a little clearer on vocals. The Adcom had better mid bass and felt a little weightier. While I was messing around I put my Transcendant Sounds Grounded Grid preamp in next. It had the highs of the SYS and mid bass of the Adcom. The only negative I could find was that vocals were a little more forward in this than the other two. It was amazing to me how different they were. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete H Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Did you plot the alcohol consumption curve and overlay that with when you did the changing out of equipment? We need charts and pictures. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted August 24, 2020 Moderators Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, CECAA850 said: I only got to use it on one system this weekend and had to send it back home with my daughter. Speakers were 396's combined with a 684 sub. QSC on the speakers and Crown on the sub. I put the SYS in place of my Adcom pre. The SYS seemed a little clearer up high where the cymbals live and a little clearer on vocals. The Adcom had better mid bass and felt a little weightier. While I was messing around I put my Transcendant Sounds Grounded Grid preamp in next. It had the highs of the SYS and mid bass of the Adcom. The only negative I could find was that vocals were a little more forward in this than the other two. It was amazing to me how different they were. Obviously it was the solider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: Obviously it was the solider. Obviously. BTW, I wanted to report this thread to your superior. It obviously should have been posted in the Solid State area. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted August 24, 2020 Moderators Share Posted August 24, 2020 Didn't you have some of both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Interesting that you got three distinct sounds. And idea which way you're going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, dwilawyer said: Didn't you have some of both? Yes but you didn't know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 39 minutes ago, Ceptorman said: Interesting that you got three distinct sounds. And idea which way you're going? I have the TS in there now. I sent the SYS back to my son in law along with the Adcom for him to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I still remember my amazement at the astounding bandwidth of Carl’s GG preamp. When inserted between my CD player and any of my amps there was no change at all in sound quality. I’m not easily impressed! Maynard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, tube fanatic said: I still remember my amazement at the astounding bandwidth of Carl’s GG preamp. When inserted between my CD player and any of my amps there was no change at all in sound quality. I’m not easily impressed! Maynard Sounds pretty good for a preamp built without 8 ga wire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: Sounds pretty good for a preamp built without 8 ga wire. Yea but does it have circuit boards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 Maybe? Ask Maynard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted August 26, 2020 Moderators Share Posted August 26, 2020 11 hours ago, CECAA850 said: Sounds pretty good for a preamp built without 8 ga wire. What preamp is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 26, 2020 Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: What preamp is that? My Transcendant Sound Grounded Grid pre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 29, 2020 Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 @tube fanatic Question Maynard. Im currently running and loving the Grounded Grid pre in the system that previously had the Adcom and briefly SYS. Why is the gain structure so different on this than the other 2 preamps? A quarter volume on the GG produces about as much volume as half volume (on the knob) on the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 8:54 AM, CECAA850 said: I'm trying a Schiit SYS in place of my Adcom pre... If the Schiit sounds worse or the same, I'll stick with the Adcom. If it sounds better, I'll permanently remove the Adcom. It's funny... if someone else does this, they are instantly lambasted and ridiculed, 'where's the science... where's the measurements...' I say try it, you might like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 14 hours ago, CECAA850 said: @tube fanatic Question Maynard. Im currently running and loving the Grounded Grid pre in the system that previously had the Advom and briefly SYS. Why is the gain structure so different on this than the other 2 preamps? A quarter volume on the GG produces about as much volume as half volume (on the knob) on the other two. A comparison with the SYS isn’t valid since it has no gain. The gain of the GG is probably higher than that of the Adcom as a design choice. As I recall, its maximum output voltage is far greater than that of the Adcom. The position of the volume control does not correlate with output voltage. That can be measured if you have a signal generator or test cd. Maynard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, tube fanatic said: A comparison with the SYS isn’t valid since it has no gain. The gain of the GG is probably higher than that of the Adcom as a design choice. As I recall, its maximum output voltage is far greater than that of the Adcom. The position of the volume control does not correlate with output voltage. That can be measured if you have a signal generator or test cd. Maynard makes perfect sense, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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