Flux Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I was being factitious. Given the choices, I would rather wipe my butt with a solid state amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnalOg Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Flux, With all due respect, what the flux is your agenda here! You show up out of the blue, probably someone who has been here before under another name, and left hastily due to a run in with some board members. If you have an opinion on something give the facts to back them up, not some ill colored metaphor that makes you look like a complete moron. If you want to hang around contribute something of substance, otherwise read and learn something. Have a nice day! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Flux, Perhaps you should try wiping your butt with a tube amp...preferably an 845 with at least an hour of warm up time. Best of luck. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Chill out guys, I thought the context here was butt wiping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Here is another thread we need extra strength Flux remover !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Taken directly from the manual for my Cary 300SEI - " ...as this ampilifier uses very a high voltage current, butt wiping is NOT recommended unless you are a recent parolee from OZ and miss your "friend" Bubba." Regards, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Hey guys, he did say "Ultimate". You're seriously under-achiving here. Try this, keeping in mind that the amp is a bit pricey at a bit over $100,000 (last I heard...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Mr. Garrison, you are way out of line. Please try to stay on topic. All, If you could have any preamp/amp combo in the world, what would you choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnalOg Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 My modded Foreplay and MarkIII's! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I would build it myself and it would be a a good 500 watt Pentode amp strapped in Triode Output and a all triode preamp to match with some insane gain figures !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Maybe one of you SERIOUS DIY amp builders can design something around a really, really big Western Electric Triode! www.hawkins.pair.com/mexblast.shtml Might be kind of tough to find spares, however . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Craig, So why don't you build one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 he said ultimate but then mentioned an 805c...so I took the price of the 805c as the reference. I will be interested in hearing from him about budget and other components...BTW the tenor stuff is pretty much ultimate IMHO regardless of price...tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Robinson Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Tony, Jeff Lessard said the same thing about the Tenor OTL ... It ruins you for all other amps. It does have some inconveniences ... like heat apparently ... and it's also about 15-large for a pair. Maybe after I send three kids through college, have the mortgage paid off, the child support is done, my 401k's (I mean 201k's) are fully-funded, and well ... uh, forget about it. Dean, to answer your question, I think what I've got in the living room is about as close as I can/will come to perfection. In the "Artto" spirit, most gains made from here out will be in the listening room department. That means "next house" which is a little ways off ... I must say that LeoK's RF-7's and parafeed cobalt Moondogs are absolutely wonderful. He's also got a wonderful PP amp that he modified that sounds sublime and gutsy at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 JFL and tenor are kinda the ying and yang of audio; jeff, simplicity, classic designs, low price... tenor, incredible complexity, cutting edge design, high prices... Ultimate for me?...well realistically, I would probably opt for JFL 2A3 PP monoblocks with the best of everything (cobalt trannies, BG and jensen caps, silver wires, best NOS tubes) and kick back at half the price of the tenors...the rest can go to another couple'a'hundred CDs...regards, tony btw tenor monoblocks are regularly on audiogon for about $10k... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 definitely 2A3, Wright or Wellbourne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 DeanG, how was that out of line? A lot of people (particularly the author of the review piece the link points to) think the Audio Note products like the Ongaku and, for the truly obsessed, the Gako-On are the ultimate tube powered amps. If you read the Positive Feedback review of the Ongaku, Steve Rochlin does a very good job articulating some of the elusive elements of music reproduction we all (uh, I think) strive for. To quote a small section... "Theres a ritual we got here on Sunday mornings. That is to play Cheskys recording of O Magnum Mysterium. It was during this recording it all made sense to me. Though this music is spiritual, for the first time was truly spiritual. One could feel the hall. The way the pipe organ filled the hall with its presence placed about 45 feet behind the choir. Sure the music sounded good before the Ongaku, but not like this. It was as if they were there to the extent that even the feelings of the performance transcended the recording and into my home. This was my first deeply spiritual experience with reproduced music... " Isn't that a good summation of "ultimate"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Re: the Ongaku The fuss about this amp (IMHO of course) was: -its price -the fact that it was one of the first SET to have press coverage this side of the Atlantic -the fact that it could drive other than efficient speakers so owners of B&W could ear the "SET magic". For the rest, this amp sounds good but certainly not better than any SETs by Gordon Rankin of Wavelentgh Audio for exemple (a really nice guy with really nice amps but not often heard of around here). I would take Leok's delightful cobalt Moondog anytime of the day over an Ongaku which actually sounds pretty "slow" and to my ears. Re: the Tenor Audio OTL This is definitively my ultimate amp. Hearing this amp (particularly the 15W version) on my Lamhorns screw me for life. I can't live without them... Sadly I can't live with them either! I will hear soon the new hybrid version they put out and I must say I am pretty curious about what Michel Vanden Broech (Tenor Audio designer) will have achieve. This guy IS the tube guru by excellence. I wish I had only one glimpse of his genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 I can not comment on the Ongaku nor the Thenor, since I haven't had a chance to listen to them. I do own Kondo's Io cartridge and ANS-7 Step up transformer and if the ongaku sound half as good, I guess that it is my ultimate dream amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflash Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 This started off so good, but it kinda went down hill. I do have a question. Lets say he gets a pair of what ever. What Preamp does he get? What I've been wondering lately is it better to have a better pre then power amp. I know that the power amp is just going to amplify what ever signal that is feeding it and if you have a "weak" pre your ultimate amps are going to be putting out less than ultimate. The reason I'm asking this is I'm using an AES AE3 preamp with every mod that they would do to it. I am using a pair of Wright 3.5's. The sound is great. But I got caught up in this BB and ended up buying a pair of MarkIII's. I want to totally rebuild these things. It's going to cost between $900-$1500 to do this depending on who does it. My question is do I stay with the Wrights and spend the $1500 plus on a new pre or upgrade the Dynaco's and stay with the AES. What gives the most bang for the buck? This is my last purchase. If I figure out what to do, I am going to be having a going out of business sale here very soon. I need to start buying furniture. I need to get rid of all this stuff that I'm not using. Thanks Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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