o0O Bill O0o Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 This weekend. I also moved the Lascala's to the rear. I found that there is a big difference in performance going from Lascala to Klipschorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandoyen Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I found that there is a big difference in performance going from Lascala to Klipschorn. That's the same Front 3 I'll be running! All sitting in boxes in my garage waiting for me to get home. Good to see what I can expect, very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingBullWinkle Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I would like to know if the cat likes the "feel" of the K-Horns better? [*-)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJCarney Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 New surrounds: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0O Bill O0o Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The Cat Loves the Klipschorns. He likes the observation point: Window = birds & High point in living room = great point to attack the other pets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 This weekend. I also moved the Lascala's to the rear. Nice! I have the same front three! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0O Bill O0o Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Nice! I have the same front three! Looks like you have about 20 feet of separation between Left and Right. It's 14'6" across the back wall there & it's about as small as I would recommend. I know if I were to move, I would have to: A: Custom build a room (like you) B: Sell all the Klipschorns & purchase some Palladium replacements (or something that can sound as good as the Klipschorn) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0O Bill O0o Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I found that there is a big difference in performance going from Lascala to Klipschorn. That's the same Front 3 I'll be running! All sitting in boxes in my garage waiting for me to get home. Good to see what I can expect, very cool. Thank you for your service. I look forward to seeing your system posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Nice! I have the same front three! Looks like you have about 20 feet of separation between Left and Right. It's 14'6" across the back wall there & it's about as small as I would recommend. I know if I were to move, I would have to: A: Custom build a room (like you) B: Sell all the Klipschorns & purchase some Palladium replacements (or something that can sound as good as the Klipschorn) Good eye! Just a tad under 20 feet! Sounds great! Imaging is amazing and the speakers disappear from the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hello there PSG.... Nice and clean setup there!, but I am most curious, what in your 'software' collection do you have that will run your system in true 6.1? I am sure you know about the center rear being different if your in Dolby vs. DTS (yeah, it really performes differently depending on which!) I have only ONE movie in 6.1 (hard to find this stuff, it was such a seemingly short lived audio scheme)... Anyway, just curious [] ............Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hello there PSG.... Nice and clean setup there!, but I am most curious, what in your 'software' collection do you have that will run your system in true 6.1? I am sure you know about the center rear being different if your in Dolby vs. DTS (yeah, it really performes differently depending on which!) I have only ONE movie in 6.1 (hard to find this stuff, it was such a seemingly short lived audio scheme)... Anyway, just curious ............Gary Are you talking about DTS-HD MA 5.1 ES? Or true 6.1? The new star wars saga on blu ray is true 6.1 (DTS-HD MA 6.1) and it’s amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 [:$] Hello there PSG.... 7.1 isn't practical for me. Since a lot of content is still 5.1 then th 6th channel is matrixed anyway. I figure I'm probably not missing much, but you are correct. It's not optimal. What drives my 6th channel? A random pick of the R or L rear channel... [:$] Here's the back of the room (before a better AV rack) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hey there PSG..... Well, you have a rather 'raw' looking theater too, but that makes it interesting [] Ok, the deal with the 6.1 is........................If the chosen soundtrack for 6.1 is Dolby........then, it is MATRIXED between the rear left and right... GARBAGE! (sorry, had to get that out......[] ) If you have selected DTS 6.1 then your rear center is DESCRETE [Y] [] --- I learned this only a few months ago and was amazed to find this out, most persons (like myself) are unawhere unless they have read the fine print ! To continue, it was basically Dolby systems that started this whole thing, yet, they chinced out with their 6.1 audio spec. As I have mentioned many times...........I never use ANY mode that has with the word 'Pro' in it when it comes to Dolby systems... 5.1 - 6.1 and 7.1 should always be descrete audio channels, I say to anyone reading, why use a dated 'pro logic' type mode with today's great equipment and high resolution recorded audio that is well beyond that? Is there any wonder why MORE BluRays are recorded in DTS exculsively?? Why is this ? Food for thought... ............Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hey there PSG..... Well, you have a rather 'raw' looking theater too, but that makes it interesting Ok, the deal with the 6.1 is........................If the chosen soundtrack for 6.1 is Dolby........then, it is MATRIXED between the rear left and right... GARBAGE! (sorry, had to get that out...... ) If you have selected DTS 6.1 then your rear center is DESCRETE --- I learned this only a few months ago and was amazed to find this out, most persons (like myself) are unawhere unless they have read the fine print ! To continue, it was basically Dolby systems that started this whole thing, yet, they chinced out with their 6.1 audio spec. As I have mentioned many times...........I never use ANY mode that has with the word 'Pro' in it when it comes to Dolby systems... 5.1 - 6.1 and 7.1 should always be descrete audio channels, I say to anyone reading, why use a dated 'pro logic' type mode with today's great equipment and high resolution recorded audio that is well beyond that? Is there any wonder why MORE BluRays are recorded in DTS exculsively?? Why is this ? Food for thought... ............Gary Go with what you like of course. But to me it’s an upgrade from the standard 5.1 that I had before. Even if its matrix. Why would you call it garbage? Pro IIx isn’t that old by the way. And if I’m right when you use pro IIx it doesn’t replace the other audio format it only sends the surround information to the rear speakers nothing more is changed. It’s still 100% the full lossless track. And as you know (looking at your gear) older doesn’t always mean worse. [] A newer Dolby Pro Logic IIx system is also now available, which can take two-channel stereo, Dolby Surround (sometimes called Dolby Stereo Surround) and Dolby Digital 5.1 source material and up-convert it to 6.1 or 7.1 channel surround sound. Dolby Pro Logic IIx also takes signals intended for Dolby Pro Logic II and up-converts them to a 6.1 or 7.1 channel surround sound. Only when you are taking a 2 channel signal does it work like the old Dolby pro II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hello there Reference.... Thanks for the reply concerning my last statements... Ok, I guess the garbage term was a bit harsh on my part [:$] . Guess the issue (mine) is NOT about the resolution portion of the audio (upconverting, lossless etc...) its the 'mixing' of channels in any way that is a 'compromise' (my opinion of course). I am from the old school of quad and was on the band wagon big time with that in 1973. Yes, a 4 ch. R to R was the best source and quality for the format. (with my SACD recievers, I can STILL enjoy this format which is nice) So, when a discrete (correct spelling on my part this time [] ) 5.1 (or AC-3 as it was called) was 're-introduced' after 'Pro Logic' I was in love [Y] and have not looked back to anything that 'mixes' other channels to make 'more' ..... I know some fellows here are playing with '9.1' and beyond, but in my mind its like adding more stereo speakers to the mix and not really what the sound engineers have worked on in the studios with a discrete multi channel mix. Its all about separation and truly INDIVIDUAL sounds coming from different places in the room with NO bleed through which is known to happen in matrixing 'blends' , we've all heard this before.. Yes, I do have vintage stereo as you noted, but I am still a big fan of pre-recorded reel to reel tapes for their qualities, and that is another subject in itself for sure. Well, this is fun and I am sorry for yet again hi-acking this forum/thread. But, its what makes it all go 'round for each of us. [] As always, in the end, it comes down to what each of us likes to hear, I was simply bringing to light a couple of facts many already know. Have a nice weekend. ...................Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 PSG, how did you mount your heresies on the wall that is what I am working towards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandoyen Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 PSG, how did you mount your heresies on the wall that is what I am working towards. Very interested in this as well as I'd like to do the same. Heresy rears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 PSG, how did you mount your heresies on the wall that is what I am working towards. A simple design, but you'll need to screw into the backs of the speakers: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/73477/722354.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJCarney Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hello there PSG.... 7.1 isn't practical for me. Since a lot of content is still 5.1 then th 6th channel is matrixed anyway. I figure I'm probably not missing much, but you are correct. It's not optimal. What drives my 6th channel? A random pick of the R or L rear channel... Here's the back of the room (before a better AV rack) No offense PSG but your 6th channel has nothing on mine... I kid of course however I don't think I could fit a hersey in my cabinet! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerocowboy Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Latest update to my setup: I recently acquired two RB-51II (thanks robc1976, and put them in service as my surrounds (out of the photos). Then I moved the RB-41II that I was formerly using as surrounds and turned them into heights/presence speakers for my Yamaha AVR's DSP modes. I've run it this way for a few days, and although I'm not sure I prefer it to a proper 7.1 discrete setup, but my room just doesn't allow for that since we sit up against a back wall. It is, however, nice to use the "Dialogue Lift" function to raise the soundstage just a bit, as my screen is technically a bit too high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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