seti Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Ok I don't get this product at all me mucho confuso? The second I read this my BS meter lit up like a Xmas tree. Can an audio system be degaussed? Is this science or marketing voodoo? *************************** Cardas Sweep Record The "Sweeper", in addition to the standard tones, includes relative and absolute polarity checks, vocal channel identification and frequency sweeps that ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and degauss the entire system. And, locked, pink noise grooves that repeat endlessly, blank plateaus, even a sync label to check platter speed. All on a 180 gram pressing with a smiling Stan cover. General Suggestions for Use by George Cardas The Cardas Frequency Sweep and Burn-In Record is a set of tools that audiophiles have requested over the years. The benefits and uses of the "Sweeper" vary because turn tables and systems differ, as does the knowledge and tools of the end user. The most important tools on this record are the Side 1 Frequency Sweeps. These are the degaussing tracks 2a, 2b and 2c. Simply play one of these tracks through your system at a low, normal level and it will degauss the cartridge and the rest of the system, plus clean the stylus ultrasonically. When played, the tracks progress from low frequencies at a high relative amplitude, to high frequencies (35 k+ if played at 45 rpm) at a low level. This is a complete degaussing process and an ultrasonic cleaning of the stylus at the same time. You may hear clicks and pops in the high frequency section after use. This is caused by the accumulation of junk which has fallen off the stylus during ultrasonic cleaning. Clean the record to remove the debris. This is the most efficient and cheapest way I know to degauss your cartridge and system. Basically, it makes a flux buster obsolete. How often you use the Frequency sweeps is something you have to determine for yourself. The build up of residual stress in a system, is system dependent. Some parts require more frequent degaussing than others. For instance, permeable parts require more frequent degaussing than non permeable parts. An iron core cartridge will need more attention than ruby cored cartridge. Speakers with cored inductors acquire more stress than those with air core inductors. There should be an audible difference after you play the Frequency Sweeps. I run the sweeper at least once a week, it really works! The sweeps are also useful as room tuning tools for setting up wall and ceiling treatments. Room reflection points, as well as other anomalies in the system, cause the image to shift with rising frequency. Simply sit in the hot spot and play the sweep at a low level. The image should be centered and stable in a well focused room. You can ignore changes in volume which are caused by comb filtering. Hard reflection points in the room can cause a shifting in focus, so padding these points will help stabilize the image. Hold a piece of foam rubber at arms length and block the sound from suspected reflecting points. When you think you have located the trouble spots, cover them with suitable damping materials. An interesting speaker set-up trick is to listen to the low frequency, out of phase tones while sitting in the listening position. The note should cancel completely if speakers are positioned symmetrically. Try both tones and pick the one that works best for your room. Playing this tone while in the null point, at the hot spot, may also allow you to pick out strange noises and rattles in the system. Sorting out the exact cause of these anomalies is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazytubepower Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 that ranks about a 9 1/2 on my bs meter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Blacksmith Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I have this LP and indeed there is garbage that shows up in the HF tracks. I bought it for the test tones and for setting the anti-skate on my TT as there are bands of blank disc that will show you in an instant if you are too heavy or light. As to the degausseing properties ????? It does indeed go through a sweep from low to high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royster Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 You can put a prom dress on a pig, but underneath it you still have a pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 ---------------- On 6/28/2005 3:24:00 PM Royster wrote: You can put a prom dress on a pig, but underneath it you still have a pig. ---------------- Or, "you can't put perfume on a pig!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 "The benefits and uses of the "Sweeper" vary because turn tables and systems differ, as does the knowledge and tools of the end user." This is the legal disclaimer that allows the BS to be presented. It really says that the physical operating principle of the Sweeper is defined by your gullibility to their advertisment. When my speakers "acquire stress" I play them some nice music so they can relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spkrdctr Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 ********The build up of residual stress in a system, is system dependent. Some parts require more frequent degaussing than others. For instance, permeable parts require more frequent degaussing than non permeable parts. An iron core cartridge will need more attention than ruby cored cartridge. Speakers with cored inductors acquire more stress than those with air core inductors. There should be an audible difference after you play the Frequency Sweeps.******* The above statement is pure unadulterated BS. The record may have many uses that it is good for, but not deguassing non-metallic items. You are not going to deguass inductors inside a speaker crossover, no matter what you play over your speakers. From a marketing point, this will soon be a required item for people who buy B&W speakers. They love unobtanium stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 If you degauss a cartridge, you eliminate any magnetic properties. Also. to degauss, one needs a degausser such as the type to degauss your Tape Recording Heads and path but do not do it while the unit is on. You have to physically run a degausser over whatever you are degaussing. So what is the cost to degauss BS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott0527 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 And yet.... you all believe in capacitor burn in, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuttynose Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 "Thanks, I'll eat it here." Lowell George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Quit using my name in vain. BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholtl Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 It's the same principle as PS Audio's "Clean Sweep," available on all their Power Plant models. http://www.psaudio.com/products/multiwaveiiplus.asp There is a slight difference when used. As such, I am not quite so quick to dismiss such technology as BS right off the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Cardas is striving mightily to become an acknowledged leader in BS. The description of their caps at partsconexion is an absolute classic in the audio industry. I've posted it a couple times, but here it is again in all its glory: "NEW ! Cardas Golden Ratio Capacitors feature two Golden Proportioned dielectric layers, separated by a metallic which produces "Retained Energy Scaling". The amount and rate of energy released is split between the two dielectric receptacles in proportion to their constants. This composite dielectric eliminates the resonant signature of monolithic dielectric and provides constrained layer damping. Cardas Golden Caps embody the same magic that lives in Cardas cables. Golden Ratio construction yields a smoother, more musical capacitor, without a sacrifice in resolution. They measure extremely well and sound awesome." >>Cardas Golden Caps embody the same magic that lives in Cardas cables. << I believe it. 0 + 0 still equals 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scriven Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I need to flip up the end of my new tie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholtl Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Ok, now those caps are some hardcore, stank BS for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxg Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Degaussing aside there do seem to be some genuine uses for this record. The sweep would be interesting to observe room effects and the tracking setup tracks are always a useful thing to have (if you are not running a linear arm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Blacksmith Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 That is why I have it Max, for setup and to listen to the room. I have run the sweeps many times and I can't tell if my conductors are less magnetic now or when I started. Not to mention, copper, while carring current produces a magnetic field, is not magnetic on its own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I'd imagine it would make violin music sound more real... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxg Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 ---------------- On 6/29/2005 8:13:59 AM fini wrote: I'd imagine it would make violin music sound more real... ---------------- No- but it has got fabulous imaging! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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