seti Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 AFTER Bob rebuilt my crossovers my friends that had been coming over for grillouts asked what I changed : ). I don't turn the volume knob up as high as I used to either. Thanks again Bob. I notice room on the other side of the cabinet for a second pair of crossovers might be nice to try something else as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Now you'd hear the benefits nicer electronics cn bring to the table. Dean is usually right lately. Networks first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Now you'd hear the benefits nicer electronics cn bring to the table. Dean is usually right lately. Networks first. OOCH! That's gotta hurt. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 Now you'd hear the benefits nicer electronics cn bring to the table. Dean is usually right lately. Networks first. OOCH! That's gotta hurt. Rick Not at all. The satisfaction outweighs the humility. Even the triangle (ting-ting-ting) and maracas in Steely Dan's "Aja" were much more vivid. The organs in Genesis' "Firth of Fifth" from Seconds Out are much more full. They just come down "from above" kind of like is shown in those oil paintings where the beams of sunlight break through the small cracks in the parting cumulus clouds. And Rush's "YYZ" and "Limelight." It's hard to beat the production on that album. One of the tightest albums there ever was. Okay. Enough stories. I just wanted to eat humble pie in the most profound way I could. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Right on. I've been there, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 "What a long strange trip it's been" Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Khorn Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Now imagine a pair of ALKs!!![6] Rick Jeff and Meagain, Now imagine a pair of ALK's!!! +1. They are Sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Arise oh sleepers -- even the deaf hear.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meagain Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 [] Hmmm..... decisions decisions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Arise oh sleepers -- even the deaf hear.[] . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 Got up and jammed some more this morning. Steely Dan's "Green Earrings," Supertramp's "Cannonball," Styx's "Fooling Yourself," Yes's "Round About" and "Long Distance Runaround." I really got a nice charge out of the first 2 - so crisp, clean and dynamic. A lawyer buddy of mine is supposed to come by tomorrow to drop off some papers. He's never heard of Klipsch. He will, now! [] ----> [] Meagain, how's the bass on yours? I'm not through with you on the amp issue. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meagain Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I love the bass on mine. Then again, I never listened to khorns before I bought these so have nothing to compare it to. Maybe it could be better. IDK. Mark said a store around here has them on display in a small room so I need to go listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Jeff, Congrats. Now you know what you speakers sounded like when they left the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 Jeff, Congrats. Now you know what you speakers sounded like when they left the factory. And I'll be hearing what my Corns sounded like back in 1981, too! Hey, while we're at it, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought used Heresies in good condition could be picked up for around $300. Now that I look, I'm seeing $500 and up. For that price, that's too close to good used Cornwalls to settle for less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 For starters, I can no longer turn it up as loud anymore. If I did, it would bleed my ears to death on the mids and highs. Oh, yeah! They sound good. Not harsh at all. I just think I've been missing the proper proportion between bass and mid/high and never knew it. This paragraph makes no sense to me. If they are not harsh then why can't you crank them up as loud? Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I think he's trying to say that he doesn't have to crank them us as much in order to enjoy them? I dunno . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Well, you can have more mid and high frequency energy without it necessarily being harsh, and with the additional extension it doesn't take as much on the volume control to get that "all there" quality in the sound. However, and like I said earlier -- providing a clean midrange and lower treble at the higher SPLs isn't something the older networks are very good at. I sometimes still think headbangers might be happier with some nice lossy PIOs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 What I'm saying is that the mids and highs used to be so closed (clogged up, lossy, whatever) that before the pain threshhold would hit, the volume used to be higher. The mids and highs are the only place IMO where increasing the volume reaches a pain threshhold - like when Craig LeMay says when I turned up his system he had to leave the room. It wasn't because of the punchy bass. Now that the mids and highs are open, I am getting more dB's from them at the same volume. After being down on the xover idea in the beginning, and seeing what BEC's re-caps did, I am very carefully steering clear of any attempt to say they are the end-all. It would be interesting to A/B yours on my speakers. You never know. Well..... you and others do; I don't. [] In the meantime, I'm real happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Maybe he worded it wrong.... but he didn't state that he didn't have to turn it as loud to enjoy it. He stated he couldn't turn it up as loud? I had much the very same experience and it indeed was painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 Maybe he worded it wrong.... but he didn't state that he didn't have to turn it as loud to enjoy it. He stated he couldn't turn it up as loud? I had much the very same experience and it indeed was painful. Craig, are you sure you're not a lawyer in drag? That's pretty good "peeling an onion," but you're right. I was not clear. I don't have to turn it up as loud to enjoy it. I make no final statements, yet, but I think there is some "give a little, get a little" in that now that the mids/highs are open and punchy, I don't turn it up as loud. By doing that, I push less power into the woofers, so that means I'm not quite shaking the floor as hard - but we are talking the difference between pretty darn loud to "Craig LeMay's gotta leave the room []." He'd probably have to leave the room anyway, because I still got it pretty loud. What's great is that despite turning it up loud, it retains the crispness in the songs so well. I am guessing, and just guessing, that if you took the edge off the mids/highs, it would be like turning them back down some (more or less) - like adding some loss back in. I don't know, just a guess. My overall impression is opening up those mids/highs is the best/cheapest thing I could have ever done as far as cost/benefit for what I currently have. I don't miss anything at all about the old xovers. Like I said, I feel like these so-called "bleeder" horns now compete real well with the 10-tweeter cone speakers, and the bass is still strong and punchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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