IB Slammin

So crossing at 700hz. Would that need a new name? Cornheresy?

Didn't Bob run Dave's Tractrix mids with Beyma tweets in his Bells? Anyway, those horns sound very good. tc PS: Welcome Jdel

Mark, To my ear your 684 subs are dialed in perfectly with the MCM grand. (a monster system in the home environment) I think that you hit the nail on the head on this one. We move step by step to achieve a goal. To me the last step is to tune the room. I must admit that I am a selfish listener and could care less about dispersion. I don't walk around the room. My wife and I sit in a 5'wide sweet spot for dedicated listening. Anything less should be heard in the car... too much ???? smile tc

But hey boss,.. Couldn't time alignment be achieved through cabinet design? ' tc Edit: Or steep slopes.....just saying that I have heard actives suck the life out of music

Prayers Lifted tc

I would guess about 1:10 or maybe less. Bill .....and then there are those of us that run both tubes and SS in our two channel systems....... tc

I hate when that happens..... You are old when your grandson tells you that you are going to be a GREAT grandfather

I know where they rest. Dual K31's on board. Trax tweet horns in place. Mids to follow. Bet that they are up and running before years end. tc

OMG boys..... Been in the country for the last 15 years and now moving into the burbs. Used to 118db short term bursts on the couch. Gots ta love The Slam Factor! Members, please help me with bail bond. tc

Get in touch with seti........ tc

Yes it is. He was in the yardbirds. Page and Beck from that time is very close. Page went the hard core blues rock zeppelin way and Beck went the more jazz rock fusion way. Beck is so much better than Gilmour it's not even a conversation. Edit: He is also so much better than Clapton. It's his style, his tasty riffs, his sustain....so much more to say...suffice it that Santana and Beck are easily in the same league. Oldtimer hit the mark.. Yardbirds! Listen to that stuff, think of how old it is and what other types music was being offered at the time. Check out "Jeff Beck Group" '68 I think. Nick Hopkins on piano and an unknown kid singer.......Rod somebody.. tc

Just saw this. OH MY! is right on the money. Would be nice if it would work out for someone. The 415-402-510 combo is in the top 5 big time two channel systems that I have listened to. I have heard a few big ones..... The plus is that this system can utilize passive networks without .....an active processor.... tc

Mike, Seti might be of help to you....... tc

Said with upmost respect and admiration to the Bone...... Too much Crank. I agree. Smile. Just loved the two way Jub with the K69 402! Not so much with two way K69 510. Was not head over heals with the K69 or the 510 horn in ether configuration. Don't get me wrong... It was an outstanding sound!!!! Second to ONE. After I listened to the 1133 as a dedicated midrange driver on the K402 and the K69/510 as a dedicated tweeter........ Just saying..... tc tc

As like Tom not sure how the 805 is throated. If crossed at 500hz the 902 is very sweet in the upper mids.

Mike, The first link kind of freaks me. In 1970 Bob Moers and wife VG-VeeGee(sp?) would travel to Fayetteville to party with my wife and I. We were still in school and they a bit older. At that time the UofA ranked Playboy's number one party school in the country. Fayettetnam as we called it was very different from Hope. smile My best friend and audio mentor Cedric introduced us to the Moers and we hit it off. That introduction provided my wife and I, a couple of poor college kids, some outrageous audio for the times. The day of Quad so we ran two Khorns flank, two LaS center and two LaS rear. Amps that were sent free to PWK for evaluation we had for a song. Sorry for the trip down memory lane. Perhaps I should have PM'd. But in the Klipsch logs that I have read I have never seen mention of a Cedric. Just wonder where Bob Moers landed. Perhaps Hunter might have some memory of Cedric. (Kinker-Neal transmission line speakers) I am told that Bill Brewly was close to suicide before finishing the Plex Khorn. tc

For many years every Friday night my wife and I would dress as though we were going to a club. However, we would stay in, run up the SPL's and sometimes listen until 4:00 or 5:00am. tc

Bob is NOT a nice guy. He is a despicable old coot that makes sport of short people. But his offerings are innovative and very cost effective. All done within the principles of PWK's thinking. Service is second to none. tc

LMAO! Love the upgraded Peach... AND.....the upgraded MERLIN......less is more with Merlin tc

Oh it was funny.......My wife asked why are you laughing out loud.....

I'm well aware of how kick drums to the chest feels and enjoy it quite a bit, but that doesn't seem to be how most audiophiles listen to stuff, many tend to match the volume with that of a live UNAMPLIFIED performance and even if they have a sub they go to great lengths to make sure you never know it's there. No reason why headphones can't do this if that's how you listen to stuff. If you're a fan of shaking the house with subs then yeah I understand completely, but that doesn't seem to usually be the case with serious listeners. I run DBB bass bins like Mark 1101's. There is no need for a sub. But I do understand what you say. Too many 2-channel listeners misuse Subs. They should be used as a seamless fill and not dominate.... just to shake the walls. Very few subs sound musical to me in the home system. Music is more demanding than say a gas truck exploding. Big 2-channel systems are like owning a hot sport car to me. Not always, but there are times that ya just gotsta to punch it! sorry for any hijack Mike

They are very sweet IMHO. Listened to them on an excellent Khorn setup and they gave the corner horns all they wanted. Then in a big 4-way system... ...and they become a beast when bridged.... tc

" Anyway, my question is, why wouldn't most serious two-channel listeners be perfectly happy with a high end set of headphones? It would be a hell of a lot cheaper and easier, no room acoustics to dink with, no dedicated room, no huge subs, no WAF, no expensive power amps, etc., etc., etc. What exactly is there to gain from a high-end single-seat dedicated two-channel setup that a real nice set of headphones can't provide? I've heard details on headphones that I have never heard anywhere else and cannot reproduce for the life of me. What are you chasing beyond that?" Metro, Headphones simply can't produce "The Slam Factor." Impact. Like a boot to the chest at volume. My wife describes our two-channel system as .....Physical....... tc

Stallion, Knowing you for your good ear it's difficult for me to disagree....but I do in this case. My four Crites cast in the DBB's are well seasoned and broken in. Ran two K33's in one channel and the cast in other for fun. (an easy A/B) Both sets of drivers were roughly the same age. At volume the K33's had more boom and didn't have quite the control of the cast frame... For lack of better words, the K33's were a bit "floppy" to my ear. just me ........... tc