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Looks like price raised to $400. Stlill a deal.

I am a little confused. But if you switch the top hats out would each serial number match then? Sometimes in taking them apart for a move, the top hats can get switched when reassembling them. I always remove the tophats (HF sections when moving my Khorns.

Also, you cannot expect chest pounding bass out of the Belles. They have good bass, but were designed to only go down to 54hz. In two channel with Belles or La Scalas, I am not a 2 channel purist . . . I always go 2.1 on go with a sub for the lows . . . The Belles shine with the mids and highs. The other speakers you mention in your first post are capable of lower bass: KLF 20s of down to 34hz, KlF10s go down to 32hz, the KG3.5s play down to 36hz, and KG4.5 go down to 36hz. Make sure you are running your Belles set to "Large" on your AVR on a 2 channel setup without a sub to experience their full range. If you are comparing those speakers to your Belles and playing low bass heavy music, expecting the Belles to bang out the same low bass notes, that could be the source of your displeasure. Add in a sub in a 2.1 configuration with your Belles and see if that makes them more sonically pleasing. I know it does for me, but I like bass heavy music with the incredible mid and high clarity of the Belles. +1 on Jimjimbo's checklist above.

The thread title is . . . "Is . . . Analog Dead?" Simple answer . . . "No!" Not as long as there are people like me who love vinyl! Analog will not be dead so long as I am alive . . . and I doubt I will be the last "analog man standing." Since this thread is a friendly debate, my answer to the thread question through the rhetorical vehicle of syllogism: Analogue will be dead when all analog men (& women) are dead. I am still alive. Therefore, analog is not dead. Argument proved in the negative. We can now close the thread. ;-) Edit for PS: I still use cassette tapes too; I have a r2r, but no tapes . . . on the hunt.

Welcome to the forum, dtr20 . . . The beauty of the Belles is that they are both eye and sound candy. I have two pair of Belles. I originally had them hooked up for testing on an old Pioneer SX-9000 receiver and they were amazing. Now using them in two different HT setups. Do not run out and buy a mega watt power amp. The Belles are extremely efficient and require very little wattage to drive. If they are not wowing you with the new Crites crossovers, it is time to start looking at the tweeter, the mids, and the woofers to ensure they are working. Settle in for some great coming advice. Jus to going to take some time and learning. When we buy pre-owned, sometimes there is more than one thing to sort out. The Belles are the sisters to La Scalas. I had to sort out a tweeter issue on my first La Scalas. An easy replacement courtesy of Bob Crites parts. I recapped my first crossovers myself in those La Scalas and have been learning on here every since. This is a great community/forum. Use search (for a Belles and La Scala repair) and ask questions. Help will be on the way. Again, welcome to the forum and stick around.

Gonna make my gigging a lot easier!

Texas Blues Giant--Lightnin' Hopkins! www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4GMdDKx1oE The Blues Accordin' to Lightnin' Hopkins A documentary

Interesting looking K-horn in the second pic. I have never seen that badge or fabric before, neither have I seen that finish or black painted trim. Must mean someone reconditioned it . . . I wonder what is inside?

Thanks for some great ideas . . .

Live in a city? Uh, tried that a couple of times . . . would not work for the volume at which I crank my Klipsch speakers. I can see two other houses from my own . . . even that feels way too congested to me! God bless those who love city dwelling, though. There are some great cities in that list of 50.

Any list would be suspect that did not include Etta James and Billie Holiday . . .

California Dreamin' on that price? :-)Or perhaps I simply got a steal on both my pair of K-horns 1 1/2 years ago. I have not been watching K-horn prices in recent months. If I even thought about bringing a third pair of Khorns into the home place, my wife would stuff me in the doghouse . . . of one of my La Scalas!

At $800 or less, he might be able to pick up a Denon AVR . . . For 6 bills, something like the Denon AVR X3000 at Amazon . . . has all the streaming options and bells and whistles with great sound. I like both Denon and Pioneer sound, for both 2 channel and surround duty.With the X3000 he can run two channel now and surround later . . . with all of the streaming he wants . . . and he gets a 3 year warranty on the new unit.

Bought a pair of Belles a while back. One speaker was missing the front badge. Got an NOS badge. Just unsure what glue to use to put it back on the grill cloth. I can see where to place it because some old glue is on there (and I have the sister speaker with a badge on it). Best glue to use to put the badge on without messing up the grill cloth?

KC-BR klipschorns are not decorators or it would say KD- but agree the price is out a here Ah, true, Budman . . . I stand corrected. Guess I was reading what I wanted to, KD instead of KC . . .

IMHO . . . somewhat high on the asking price for decorators.

Alright, I'm bored waiting on the fireworks. I will bite . . . Thebes is always good for a laugh, well, after I decipher his posts with a dictionary and thesaurus, and the occasional trip to NSA HQ at Fort Meade to run his post through a Cray computer using decryption software and a couple of days of analysts' time. Then I get to laugh. ;-) Alright, Thebes, I'll bite, or trust, for the sake of a revelation. :-) PM sent.

So I guess you found one, then made the gold-on-black one that Elijah Wood is wearing. Any chance Klipsch is going to do a run of those shirts? Yes, we had that one made from a scan of the old artwork. We'll have them available soon! Don't forget us XXXL guys . . . I will buy a couple!

Here is a side effect I portend that would eventually occur . . . we would all have to pay an annual fee to buy and sell in the garage sale forum with heavy handed moderating . . . just like on Audiok****!! No thanks! I like this site as is . . . this forum absent commercial sponsors and advertising has enabled a real community feel in this part of the cyber-world.

Got a new lower rear hatch seal for my old but new to me '84 Porshe 944 today . . . to keep the exhaust fumes out of the cabin which nearly choked me to death the first time I drove it last month and rolled the driver window down! Rolling the window down creates a known issue when the lower hatch seal is bad--it sucks the exhaust up and under the rear wing and in through the faulty seal. Nothing like a little carbon monoxide poisoning! My 7 year old grandson is coming next week. Would be bad for family relations if I took him out for a ride in Grandpa's new scoot and he came back unconscious! So, I am glad the new seal arrived today!

In your topic title, I recommend repairing the coordinating conjunction "or" to "and" . . . Repaired topic would the read: "Belles and La Scalas"! ;-)

When I am in the basement workshop, 2 channel 100% of the time: Khorns on a Pioneer SX9000, for vinyl or CDs. In the HT, where I moved my home office desk, 2.1 for vinyl listening on K-horns on a Scott 299 C, but 11 Heritage channels and a Martin Logan Depth i sub on a Denon 4311 with a Phase Linear 400 for the Khorn fronts for movies. Not much of a music experience for me beyond 2 channels. Not much of a movie experience for me without surround setup.

.... While Audyssey worked great on my Reference setup, just would not dial in the Heritage setup as it had my Reference setup. Got to thinking Audyssey could not be wrongs, especially since it worked great with my previous 7 channel Reference setup with MultiEQ XT32 on the Denon 4311. The K-horn fronts, the La Scalas rears, and three Belles (center and sides) all bottomed out at -12db. The four Herseys ranged from -3.5 to -6.5 dB. I did dozens of runs over a year pretending I just was not hearing right because it previously treated me so well. I finally in desperation got an SPL meter and everything came to life and was balanced. An attenuator on each speaker? I am not even sure what an attenuator is or looks like. I would like to know more. The bottoming out at -12 dB is what screws things up with efficient speakers. The following is based on Audyssey's solution for the problem, I only know how to use the attenuators in Audyssey set up when you have a separate preamp/processor and separate power amps. The attenuators would go between the pre-pro and the power amp. If you have an all-in-one AVR, you may be able to use a processor loop to put the attenuators in, but some AVRs no longer have those. Sic transient gloria. In-line attenuators have a female RCA plug on one end, a male RCA plug on the other, and a little 2+" brass or gold plated tube in between. Inside the tube is some circuitry that reduces the level by a certain number of dB. You would want it reduced by 12 dB. They are available for sale online. My audio dealer (an engineer) recommended double checking the number of dB of attenuation (since it can vary a bit with the amplifier circuitry on either side of the attenuator) by putting an SPL meter on a tripod and measuring pink noise with and without the attenuator. I did, and it was almost exactly 12 dB difference, and all of the attenuators measured the same. You shouldn't keep the attenuators on permanently -- just use them to run Audyssey. You should use them on every channel, and the sub, so each channel is reduced by the same amount. They are cheap. When you are through running Audyssey, your super efficient speakers (Khorn, etc), which are more efficient than Audyssey planned for, will be turned down by the correct amount, rather than stopping the attenuation short (at what would have been -12 dB without the attenuators). My left Khorn got set for -2 dB (equivalent of -14 dB), my right Khorn got set for -2.5 dB (equivalent of -14.5 dB), and my Belle Klipsch center channel got set for - 1.5 dB (equivalent of -13.5 dB). When you take them off, the system will be playing 12 dB louder than Audyssey thinks it is, so Audyssey recommends regarding -12 dB on the Main Volume Control as setting the system for Cinema Reference Level (peaks at a maximum of 105 dB at the main listening position -- microphone position -- with peaks at a max of 115 dB from the subwoofer, just like nthe filmmakers set and heard the sound). People who don't have super efficient speakers like we do use 0 on the main volume as Reference level. Reference level is still too loud for most people, so most play at a somewhat lower MV setting. I usually use somewhere between - 16 and -18 (which would be somewhere between - 4 and - 6 for people with normal speakers). Abnormally yours, Gary Thanks, Gary . . . A little google and you explanation clarified for me.Running all channels except the fronts right off the Denon 4311 . . . just the fronts are on a separate amp. So, that leaves me only the fronts and sub to use attenuator on. And right now a I am not interested in separates all around. Can you recommend a test DISK I can secure you mentioned in another post? And any idea if using the DISK would be an advantage over the digital SPL meter and tripod I currently have things set with? I am coachable here. Billy

With our all Heritage home theater, Audyssey works very well. Much higher clarity with Audysssey than without. Just out of curiosity, did Audyssey set some of your trim levels (especially Khorn/Belle/La scala, with their 105 dB@1w@1M efficiency) to -12 dB? If so, Audyssey might have wanted to turn them down even more, but couldn't. Audyssey advised me to run the set-up with 12 dB attenuators, then remove the attenuators and redefine 0 level to -12 on the main volume control, for Reference level. We run most movies at about -17. They sound great, and the whole system sounds better than it did before Audyssey. Do you have Audyssey XT, XT 32, or one of the others? . I fought Audyssey for a year. While Audyssey worked great on my Reference setup, just would not dial in the Heritage setup as it had my Reference setup. Got to thinking Audyssey could not be wrongs, especially since it worked great with my previous 7 channel Reference setup with MultiEQ XT32 on the Denon 4311. The K-horn fronts, the La Scalas rears, and three Belles (center and sides) all bottomed out at -12db. The four Herseys ranged from -3.5 to -6.5 dB. I did dozens of runs over a year pretending I just was not hearing right because it previously treated me so well. I finally in desperation got an SPL meter and everything came to life and was balanced. An attenuator on each speaker? I am not even sure what an attenuator is or looks like. I would like to know more.

I have an all Heritage HT--11 channels. K-horns, Belles, La Scalas, Heresys . . . I fought Audyssey for a year. While Audyssey worked great on my Reference setup, just would not dial in the Heritage setup as it had my Reference setup. I finally gave up and went to an SPL meter . . . result? Sonic bliss! Before going crazy, you might just try that. Sure, I should probably migrate to REW software, but not time for that for me right now. The SPL meter got me somewhere great without a week's vacation to figure out the details before enjoying a Heritage HT.