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  1. I've done this for years (all identically drivered/crossovered Cornwalls). I took a 60's era Cornwall II and laid it on its side for the center channel then just set the flat screen on that (half inch memory foam sheet to cushion it), surrounded with 70's era Cornwall cabs on the other channels. Then I added two of the JBL 4638 low frequency reinforcement cabs as LFE to the system, and let me tell you nine 15" drivers can really pressurize a room, and rather effortlessly at that. A bunch of us on here bought those cabs from a JBL earthquake liquidation some 15ish years ago (they sold them for the tax and shipping - it was nutz) and they've been a match made in heaven. I've updated the system at points (new McIntosh core and other updates) but it's still the "All Cornwall Theater" that it has been for over 15 years and is "end game" sort of stuff.
  2. Here's the thing about waiting for stuff like this (of which I have waited quite a while for some stuff): Once you get it and it meets/exceeds expectations you quit thinking about how long it took to get it, aside from knowing that it was worth it. I effectively toasted a home theater two months into COVID and it took until just recently to finally install and use the finished product but it was completely worth it. Usually stuff that comes easy oft isn't really worth it where the really GOOD stuff takes time to get and is worth the effort to procure. I have a 5.1 theater system with rebuilt Cornwalls and a twin pair of JBL twin 15" LFE cabs in a slightly larger room, and I thought I was running a nuke as a flyswatter, but this is on another level entirely. I set my rear Cornwalls on short end tables to achieve a similar end for the rears with effective results. Fantastic system. Truly "Big Time". Thanks for showing that....
  3. "If the plane crashes, the pilot bears the responsibility" - flight training institutions everywhere Have fun with your new toy, Mr. Musk.....
  4. Right, but even ZBig wrote books telling people what he was thinking and up to and he was pretty forthright in explaining his intentions (in his particularly chosen linguistic way), then he would go on shows explaining his position on occasion. You know, stuff that adults who really want to know what's going on might read or watch. As unpleasant as some of that was at least it was "horses mouth" and you understood his position. But instead you get to listen to some bubblehead tell you to accept whatever it is that is happening under the guise of some WWE style presentation (making the old Saturday Night Live "Point/Counterpoint" look like some version of the proverbial vacuum tube compared to today) where it's endless "SQUIRREL" and innuendo nonstop and nowhere for the "adults" to get real, hard information on anything besides being almost one's own researcher and just watching results after the fact. There's very little "horses mouth" anymore, they are all sitting behind rows of these bubbleheads, playing a game of "access" via screens primarily, and they don't get access unless they sell the power's version of events. No real "facts on the ground" because it's impossible to get "hard reporting" when you are sitting on your a-- in a glass lined studio in New York. News bureaus used to spend some of that money on reporters nationally such that they at least had some "institutional knowledge of the region" and now it's just some "spokesmodel personality" functioning as "infotainment" asking the dumbest questions in the universe while setting a narrative begun before she ever got on the plane to do that job in the first place. There was a time when SOME investigative journalism was done by these orgs, but not much today, in part because it takes real research and legwork to do the stories but also stories tend to end up limited to what does not affect overall corporate profits. Whatever politic the various outlets display really doesn't mean much, it's all attempts to gain slices of the potential audience and make money for the parent corporation. The first and primary ideology and directive of modern news orgs is profit. When the "head" on one side of the screen says "The Sky Is Blue" and the other side says "No, it's made of green cheese" and the moderator allows the viewer to think theres'a 50% chance that one side OR the other is correct, and then calls that "balance", then the only choice I'm left with at that point is to thank whatever dude in the sky runs things that I had a vasectomy and didn't have any kids. I just don't know where to go with suggestions on the news biz after that, let alone any valid opinions about it, and the implications of all this are unnerving to say the least. "We're a wh---house of a network and we have to take anything we can get." - Paul Hackett "You're never gonna get any truth from us - we lie like hell." - Howard Beale
  5. One aspect that's interesting surrounding the news business over time (and part of what makes the film "Network" so prescient) is that it primarily comments from an era when the "news business" was separated from the "entertainment end" of the network such that it could perform its public service function (by at least telling people what actually happened today). Back when we had three national networks, part of the "deal" was that these networks were required to provide a certain amount of time for the public service of news and information as well as room for editorial comment as well as "local issues programming". It was designed to be "not for profit" and in many cases lost money because it cost more to put those reporters on the street and into newsrooms than the shows actually made......and that was quite OK, because the entertainment "end" more than made up for it. Most news was "staid" - read "boring" by today's standards, but watchers knew what was happening and what the "debate angles" were on a broader basis, and people in turn made their choice at the polls. Then a thing came along called "60 Minutes" - that showed that tough investigative journalism could also be VERY profitable, especially if one told stories of interest, and especially when the program could explain to the viewer WHY it was important. And there was a certain amount of "sexy" that was associated with busting corporate or high government chops, or the biggest ideas gaining popularity in the country to which that show would give very interesting and effective journalistic rigor to some of the most important topics at large. Once that can of worms was opened, then pressure starts to build that ALL news product should be profitable and the "public service" idea was not so important. Bear in mind also that these networks were "stand alone" entities who were not owned at the time by other conglomerates. They were broadcast entities independently and exclusively, albeit commercial enterprises by way of accepting and broadcasting advertising within it. So they weren't as attached to other corporate missions or agendas..... Then, as scriptwriter Paddy Chayefsky explained, an attempt was made for a corporate conglomerate to buy ABC - and as part of that buyout offer was a promise to "make news profitable" and that's when the "light" went on, because if news HAD to make a profit, it would end up populated by soothsayers, public opinion polls, and sideshow freaks of all kinds, which would take what good DID exist (by way of an idea called "standards and practices") in the early days of TV news and throw it down the drain. In that respect Paddy really did see the future of where news was about to go, all the way back in 1976, and that became the impetus for the film "Network" - and that film remains as important today (if not moreso) than it was when it was released. Paddy understood the implications in the big picture and it was not very pleasant. A warning packaged as satire - which todays reality has lapped many many times over - making "Network" one of the most hauntingly forward seeking films that Hollywood ever produced, because Paddy really did see where all this was going, some 50 years ago. Not that it was always pure "news" but the people in it were earnest and genuinely believed in and tried to do right by the profession. That struggle between "old news idea and what it should be" and what it became is the crux of the film "Network" and as such - and especially in the rear view mirror is one of the greatest films of all time.
  6. They are ALWAYS selling SOMETHING, and sometimes multiple products at the same time, and then there's the actual commercials. It's not just worthwhile to decipher all of the items, ideas, and concepts actually being "pitched" here but to then assess who is actually buying them.......and then one will learn a whole lot about what it is that makes the world go round 🙂 "The world is a business, Mr. Beale, it has been since man crawled out of the slime....." - Arthur Jensen "Keep your hands off my News Division" - Max Schumacher We all know how that turned out, LOL....
  7. Disagree. Put those up for "market price determination" (read: auction) showing the condition AND the OG boxes and that 400-600 figure will get lapped several times over, especially during Holiday or tax refund seasons, IF this is all in near mint condition. These aren't "normal used Heresys" at least from what we can see, and prices are much much higher than they were years ago. It's probably true that with more "rash" and no boxes (IOW, just an old pair of Heresys) then that sub 1K number would be correct, but these aren't just normal used Heresys they are in too good of shape (at least with what info has been given here). I'd be curious what the boxes and rest of the cabs look like too.... If all those are worth on the open market is $600 I would never let them out of the stable. Too good for that money.....
  8. If they are in good shape they sure do. I think most members of this forum are really not realistic as to the TRUE VALUE on the market today for these speakers, some of us understood full well just how good of a deal we were getting in the oughts for these, and just how undervalued they were, then the market figured out what it was missing (thanks to us for a decade, then Klipsch bringing all of these into new production and thus setting a "price bar" for everything below them) and now the true market is being discovered for these. The other thing driving the used market is that all those GOOD CONDITION Heritage have homes and have found their "place" - and those owners sure know what they are worth given new prices - and are oft restored/reworked such that they are assuredly good for another run of decades. All those Cornwalls being owned by newly married dudes with wives insisting getting rid of those for Bose back in the 90's/00's are loooooooong gone and those speakers are now in homes that want them (like mine). If CIV is worth $6500 at issue than a nice clean set of CI is worth 2K - that's almost no-brainer territory if you ask me. Of course I knew this in the oughts 20 years ago when I bought up three really nice CI pairs and a pair of Belle Klipsch for what those Belle Klipsch would assuredly cost me today. A Cornwall II cost about 2K per pair in 1989, thirty years later (if you figure a doubling every ten years) the $6500 Cornwall IV isn't far off the mark. Might be a little low, even. I used to say in the 00's that the Cornwall I and similar Heritage series from the late 1960s to the early 1980s was the best speaker deal on the planet, getting those out of the used market. Even with prices pretty much tripled, they are STILL the best speaker deal on the planet. They're not, but It's not as shocking/out of line as it may seem, particularly in a situation that if the buyer is local and no long drives or shipping is involved the odds increase that he will get the seller closer to his asking price. As soon as someone starts to figure out what it takes to ship halfway across the country and add those costs in, some buyers might well bite on these if convenient/local. Maybe not at 6K, but at a price that still gives a good return to the seller, because goods like these have real value. These aren't $1000 pairs anymore, either.
  9. There goes the neighborhood......
  10. I do think that there are differences in sonics among different wire and metallurgy formulations.....pretty much anything one passes a signal through will affect the signal on some basis, sometimes very marginal, sometimes more so...... .......but the REAL argument in my mind is that this stuff is WAYYYYY overpriced and shrouded in mystery as to be believable. I don't hear/see any hi-fi shops offering to send you home with five pairs of ICs or speaker cable formulae (and even if hefty margin was involved, like $200/500 per reasonable length) for trial such that you could put those claims to the test, or even if true really know what synergizes best with your system. I am NOT going to shell out those sort of dollars on non-returnable/non-trial basis stuff and be told just to "believe" - that's not going to cut it. And I've put in more than my share of time on cap, tube roll evals and everything else but the wire stuff in it's presentation, claims, and methods of trial and proof make impossible to reasonably "play" in this space absent just silly money to just "blow". I am one of the "convincible/sellable" ones but not at the silly prices these people charge and how today's production methods work. I well know that good iron on a power amplifier costs some $$. But even if that wire is pure gold strand it can't cost what these people are charging. Caps are almost as silly but at least that "field" is still more narrow and something is known at least of their basic characteristics, where the wire thing just got to pure stupid.
  11. Most of these speakers have had the backs off a time or two. If anyone bought Cornwalls used and didn't pull the backs first that's also recommended and another reason they get removed, etc....to make sure what's in there should be 🙂 When the backs are removed, or just simply mounted for 30-50 years without alteration, yet with 100db woofer pounding over it's life there's bound to be a bit of vibration. Without a "cushion" - think "window seal" there's going to be a chance for a smidge of rattle or vibration. The gasket isolates that, the finish washers widen the screw head to make sure the back bonds to the now cushioned fitting such that it seals and does not vibrate. I lay the speaker on it's face, remove the screws, clean the inset where the back resides, apply the gasketing along the bottom inside edges (no gaps), then re-install the newer screws/finish washers. I suggest doing this by hand (don't use power drills, you want to guide the new screws in) and do it in a fashion where you "tension them" in a half turn at a time once you get close, to seat the back evenly/gradually as you fasten it down (think auto lug nuts and "cross tightening). BTW the Hillman screws came from Lowes in the blister packs, the stainless steel types. Take the old screws with you and match them up, even selecting a half inch longer version to assure the threads don't become loose. In extreme, worn out mount hole scenarios I've seen carpenters wood glue mixed with sawdust, then squeeze a bit in the old screw holes to fill the "wear out". Now also in an ideal world you would do this AFTER any and all repairs, crossover work/replace, anything one plans to do inside the cab should be done, then seal them up for the next number of years.
  12. I rebuilt six of my Cornwalls recently (Cornwall Is) using the aforementioned Parts Express gasketing tape and new stainless steel screws with eyelets. The screws are a half inch longer than original, but slightly more "meaty" though the threading yet with identical "pitch" to the thread. These being the "Hillman" brand - seemed to work out really well. Spent considerable time selecting them to make the best of the rebuild. The eyelets help a great deal to "fasten" the board to the mounting space and the gasketing (thicker/more substantive than it would first appear online) served to really seal that off and curtail that "resonance" issue. I was sold a set of otherwise all original Cornwalls on this forum some years ago that had this done, and noted how well that seemed to work, so I duplicated it in essence and got same results. But yes, if unattended that aspect of the speaker is really audible, and once it's "disappeared" you go "oh wow that really was an issue huh????" The eyelets really seemed to be a big part of it too - really "grips/locks down" the board edges and prevents vibration, and the added screw length/slightly more "filled out" thread made for a solid grip. The rear board will actually be offset/"stick out" about 1/8-3/16ish from the gasketing all the way around instead of flush, the gasket has substance and actually creates a bit of resistance....and it seals nice and tight. That gasket material is pretty good stuff.
  13. I have five identical Cornwalls in a 5.1 system. Having the identically capable threesome across the front soundstage (and as well in the back, especially on certain material) is truly a revelation in home theater, this after trying other smaller methods to get something close. This works with Heresys, Cornwalls, Belles, whatever you choose. Once the threesome identical across the front is heard and the "righteousness" understood nothing else will do. It's sooooooo "locked in". The MOST capable speaker in a home theater in terms of "full range" should be the CENTER. In my case I have the center as an old school "Cornwall II" betwixt two Cornwall Is so it's lowboy such that a large flatscreen can rest atop it and really work out perfectleh.....
  14. :: looks around at the internet/soc media/society/this forum since covid in particular :: Sounds about like we are on the right trajectory 🙂
  15. ....and if it's legal to talk about tubes on the Klipsch Forum is the fact that I'm using those tubes to drive aftermarket drivers in Klipsch cabs and geometry grounds to make my posts not valid or allowable? I'm not trying to be facetious here but genuinely trying to figure out just where I do or MIGHT fit in here anymore and how to handle this topics. EVERYTHING I post whether it be speakers or gear could get called in for "review" in my own mind anyway....and in fact has me "reviewing" where this all goes for me posting here. Is the generality of Klipsch cabs/schematic/horns with aftermarket drivers even within the realm of allowability, even when discussing the gear that drives them?
  16. But therein lies the problem. It seems a nebulous and moving standard. It's like the Obscenity Standard - "you know it when you see it". The problem is that can be very fluid and lead to more problems than it solves. Make a set of rules then enforce them. There should be a "sticky" on this topic laying it all out in the "updates" or other prominent section of the forum. I've been reading between the lines here for three days and still don't know the EXACT rules and approach I should be employing here (this after not much time over two years in between). If I can't just look up what the new rules are here they are gonna get broken by people unintentionally too.
  17. Just thought I would bump this to let you know that the subject and replies did NOT go unanswered or unheeded - the winner is McIntosh for the new front end, and it is GLORIOUS. Went with the MX151 (thanks to USNRET) and a brand new MC255 (5x200 with the new thermal track transistors) and OH MY is it EVER a hit. The idea was to upgrade the system in a manner what would have it set for the next 25 years and aside from sources the system core of amp and speakers ae now ready for "The Duration". After a solid 100 hours on the kit after install it reveals every day more of why I know I made the right choice - the control of the speaker, the high frequency extension (not rolled off in any fashion - just a superb "finish"/decay), the commanding authority that one would expect such a big beast to impart. So the inquiry DID result in a raging success, despite the rime taken to build it all out/install/evaluate etc etc etc....it's very cool to have a system for which such a restoration had been envisioned/planned and to actually see that come to fruition is a real notable step here in my "audio life" as it is what I envisioned as an end game" sort of rig that I can enjoy (albeit changes in sources as is the norm) until I pass. ALL of the suggestions and advices are appreciated.
  18. Count me in as another who has no idea where I fit here anymore. I have been a VERY occasional visitor over the last couple of years, but a 20 year member with a lot of road traveled, making contacts with forum members I have had relationships with over the years to do "The Lifetime Restoration" on my four pairs of Klipsch cabs. I basically did all four as Crites woofers, MAHL tweeters, A55G and Dean's high end parted networks. I spent the last two years building them out/restoring the cabs, all basically "drop in" replacement - sticking with the PWK "geometry and schematic" with aftermarket replacement parts. I did it because I could easily source the parts, many report good results from them, and I could do the work myself, allowing for the restoration of the cabs such that I could enjoy them for another 50 years as they have to date. I also spent extensive time actually sampling those parts. And now I don't know if I can go any further - or if point of fact I went too far already. I also don't know what the rules exactly are. As I told Dean in a conversation - "This all looks like 'The Obscenity Standard' " where one (the deciders/moderators) "know it when they see it". And as one who has been here for 20+ years but not much recently I have to wonder if I'm even ALLOWED here. I don't have anymore "stock"/all Klipsch parted speakers anymore albeit redone with drop-in replacement parts. But as one who rally WANTS to know (because I really don't want to grind gears here trying to find out) I'm just trying - from the POV of one who just finished both systems in terms of speaker resoraion and electronics updating, thought I would report the builds - to know whether I should or if it's acceptable. It seems not. So now I'm thinking I better not, because I have NO IDEA what the rules are other than that the forum is apparently shunning anything "not Klipsch" (there own it and is their right). Even if it means that I "should show myself the door" I DO think those remaining deserve to have a "standard of practices" around here rather than what seems to be "The Obscenity Standard" where that definition is in the eyes of the beholding moderator. Made less blurry, it becomes SOMEWHAT easier to apply that standard (albeit understood that it will still have issues). Just trying to set my compass/GPS here.....
  19. Just.....wow. Dean's building crossovers for Klipsch and now you are back on the forum. Another 20 year guy here still chugging along: Still have the Peach (which I use as a backup a couple months out of the year to keep it working well/operational which in itself is a testament to it's sound) and now with the four sets of 50+ year old Heritage now completely restored (also known as "how I spent my pandemic......") 🙂 I've also taken that "no processed/no fried" to heart here too, my wife and I have lost a collective 100 lbs and carry proper weight for our frames (myself personally for the first time in my life, the changes happening over the last five years). I'm also not too far off from the "one meal a day" thing - I find one good meal and a couple of snacks/items keep me plenty lean and more energetic. I still remember those discussions about how you used to feed your dog and how you thought people should be eating and I internalized a lot of the essence of that discussion. I have had a TON of surgery on my orthopedics and keeping good weight and condition with age is really important. It has massively improved/extended our quality of work and life. So you still have some "ruboff effect" here as I'm still benefiting from your builds and advices. It's hella good to see you in here, sorta feels like Reservoir Dogs 'round here lately, getting the gang back together to do more "crimes of the systems", LOL. ....and seems a bit fitting as the recent pandemic era served to allow to rejuvenate the two systems that I have had here all along. So no real Juicy Questions as I've not had issue and really like that piece for what it is, but it's sure good to see you back here.
  20. I had really good luck with my Peach - in fact I think it the most viable of all of those units long term in that the rectifier didn't have to run those phono section tubes, etc. Easy, stripped down line stage which suited my purposes well. Have a friend with one too with similar results. Only replaced it for phono......and still have it as a backup, which I roll in once a year for a month just to get its exercise..... Both of us have VRDs and the Peach mated with those great. Yeah it's a bit tube picky but once I found one it held. And the imaging for the $$$$ is unparalleled, along with its ability to convey the naturalness of instruments at such a value price. It WAS noisy with some other amplifiers, my Mac MC250s didn't get along with it so well as the input voltage sensitivity was too sensitive for the Peach such that it was noisy/hissy even with good tubes. Just a mismatch. With VRDs, a match made in heaven. I moved on to the NBS, where I have phono stage and the ability to roll in teflon caps, and it's free of those aforementioned issues. It took more work to get the image and the "layering" to show up (teflon caps and Siemens tubes really made this piece leap off the page). It's another animal entirely on a performance level, but I'll never say anything bad about a Peach as very few gears delivered that musicality for that price. I think the Original Peach was the best JM pre made. If a person likes it they will go through hello trying to get a suitable "ear happy" as they did from this. It will cost considerably more, and really, the JM sonically was a unique sound in the marketplace. They really were "just for us".
  21. I think the Cornwall is as good of a "stock" hi-fi speaker as the world has ever seen. The cabinet is of such a dimension that it sounds naturally good (it approximates the golden mean in its dimensions), while the one inch horn throat makes it sound "open" enough that it is now no longer something that seems restricted in any way. Of course we can talk about the Klipschorn as being truly the game changer here, but I have always seen the Cornwall as one of the all time great speakers from ANY brand as it has so much right in stock form as well as being a flexible product that most can find space for.
  22. Lost 55-60 lbs in the last four years, gave up the processed foods, fried, and sugars and stay with the simple stuff. When you eat GOOD food, you need less of it and your brain "pings" you a helluvalot less when you feed your body things it NEEDS instead of things you just "like". Why does your body always harangue you that it's "hungry" when you eat this junk? Because it's devoid of any real substance/nutrients - the body doesn't get what it needs - it harasses the brain to "feed me". Most do this to the point of 300 lbs (it's the American Way), but in reality it's the human body knowing it needs fed, then it's owner feeing it something it doesn't need as well as make the body obese. Once the "code" is cracked, it becomes pretty easy. If I eat that stuff now, my body reminds me in short order why I gave that up, OTOH staying with good, real, simple foods leaves the body satisfied, and extends the stamina such that I have better energy and am in better health now than at any time during my life. ESPECIALLY since the pandemic - all restaurant stuff (save for high end places on special occasions, like Tom Colicchio's Craftsteak in Las Vegas) is out the window. We have cooked over 95% of the consumed meals here in the last two and a half years, which gives even greater control over what I'm putting in my mouth as I control all of the acquisition choices and cooking methods. I shut down the takeout and convenience foods and shed the weight almost effortlessly. Once I got going it was like melting ice. It took about six months to acclimate, but after that, it not only comes naturally but is self reinforcing because the results feel so good, which leas to more good action (like having the energy to do actual work/projects outside of employment, etc) and bring even more good results. My wife got in on the party and she now has the best health and figure of her life and I can certainly vouch for the last 25 years. She resembles pics from her 20's. Once one sees this in action and experiences this with food choices it's easy because it's hard to "unknow" and going back to feeling like you do when loaded up on all those carbs and sugar. It really is self reinforcing.
  23. Well, I ended up purchasing two Tripp-Lite Isobar units for the comp÷digital/low draw end of things and a pair of Zero-Surge for the audio component end of my systems. These boxes are just the type of build I was looking for and appreciate, even the value-priced Tripp Lites being well worth the $$ for the build, and the Zero-Surge being lifetime-industrial grade and thus very solid pieces. It's been 15+ years since updating this sort of stuff from the old system build so I thought it good to do an overhaul, and even finding these at a value as the base Zero-Surge sale prices ended up being the totality of the bill and sent on a 10 day build to order basis. Appreciate the help, the build should resume this week....getting close now 🙂
  24. Whoever makes the effort to get these won't regret it. Oh, and as good of a rep as the VRD amp has, the pre is even better (and rare taboot). Does this have a phono stage in it, and if so Moving Mag or coil - or is it line stage only?
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