sheltie dave Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 This is not an attempt to create mass hysteria over what wealthy audiophiles believe(and spend large amounts of $$$ chasing,) but here is a really fascinating thread over on AudioKarma. They have a section that is firewalled to allow the subjectivist camp have free reign, so don't try to pick fights. Many Klipsch owners seem to fall to the analytical, no bullshit side of the audio spectrum. Many of the magic cable, Shatki voodoo beads, and magic rack stands end up here, so check it out if you are so inclined. <http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=273934> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornman Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Yes indeed Sheltie, You have reminded me. It's time to heed my lifes true calling. $$$ You have heard of the "Dog Wisperer or the Horse Wisperer" I am the "Hi FI" Wisperer" For $300.00 per hour I will exhort all the demons from you system, & retrain thy ears to hear the true voice of "HIFI" [8-)] Gee, I have been waiting for this moment all my life. Cornman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romak Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I painted my kitchen walls eggshell white the other day. They used to be cream white. Boy, do my Tombstones taste so much better.[pi] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie dave Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Let me say before I post this, that a friend I loved in college wrote like this. He loved Yes, and would write his papers after he fired up the bong...multiple times...and write the paper while listening to "Close to the Edge." Here is the quote.... I’ll try to explain the “Black Wall”. First, I’d like to address“Silver”. “Silver” is distortion, grain, and/or a tipped up,harmonically thin sound field. “Black” in most soundstages is amechanical artifact related to stored energy in the component or indamping plates/materials in proximity to or in contact with thecomponent. It is coloration or, to my way of thinking, a “color” asobvious and artificial as “Silver”. The “Black Wall” or a “Black” colorthickens the sound stage and obscures detail. An analogy might belooking at a stone partially buried in the sand. We know the stone isthere but we have no clear sense of its size, weight or details. Nomatter the analogy, the result is performance below the designcapability of the component(s).Eliminating “Black” while retaining proportionate values of attack,bloom and decay at varying amplitudes across 20kHz+ while preservingthe separation of very delicate low level ambient room information isdifficult. This requires precise control of the flow of mechanicalenergy through the component in non-obvious ways. Well executed, it isakin to brushing away the sand and holding the stone up to the light.We hear emotion, tonal color, inflection, richness, control, musicaldetail………and on.“Isolation” and/or tweaks can be the cause of “Blackness” becausevibration that can’t come up can’t go down. Energy transferred throughthe air and stored in the component causes the “Black” color, as doesthe issue previously mentioned. Having said this, “Blackness” accurately expressed in a soundstagegenerally resides within the start and stop of each note. There is aspace no matter the source, and although we hear the space, low levelambient room information should sing behind and through the spacesacross the audible(+) spectrum…….the more profound the control in thisdomain, the better the sound. It’s difficult for me to express thiswell, but once you hear it, you never forget it because things soundmuch closer to “real”; the -mic feed. ++++ I hear the wind, my epitaph. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfelliot Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sounds more like Windowpane then the bong! [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 While I am continually amazed at what audiophiles spend thier money on, I am very hesitant to ridicule or doubt them. I haven't tried the overwhelming majority of tweaks, but have certainly experimented with parts-a-plenty (caps, tubes, wires, resistor sonics, etc) and have found differences and benefits in certain choices, so who am I to make fun? I LOVE the various aspects of capacitors re: sonics - it is a fascinating topic for me as are tubes. Klipsch and this place made me a parts freak, and even MORE prone to the subjective....... But I do have a "limit" on what I consider reasonable. I'm not doing a $2K cable or rack for any improvements. But I'll spend a few bucks (especially on some used stuff) and experiment a little. But within reason. It seems a little crazy, but at least people are experimenting. In an odd way it's "research", because there's always that idea "tried and charged dearly for" initially that's easily duplicable and inexpensive later that we all benefit from. It used to be, for example, that you had to buy the Lexus to get an exterior temperature gauge in your vehicle - now they are standard on all Toyotas. So let the rich boys play, stimulate the economy, and see what they find out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I stop reading after this line of the first post "The racks are Critical Mass Systems Platinum series racks and I have 5levels and $3300 a level." Did you know that electrons can tell what kind of audio rack you use? Oh and you also have to break-in your furniture, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Top Notch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Clickable link: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=273934 Just goes to show that money doesn't equal brains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 That really hurts my brain. Rack burn in so now I have heard everything.My bogon meter is pegged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 It takes a fanatic to know a fanatic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germerikan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I just read the entire thread, hmmmmmmm. I am at a loss for words, other than at $17K I do not care what I buy for my stereo it WILL sound better. Irregardless of how it sounds!!![] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Give me $17k and mine definitely will sound better... Order up some VRDs, perhaps do a full ALK or "greg" my Klipschorns. A full boat turntable set up. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Give me $17k and mine definitely will sound better... Order up some VRDs, perhaps do a full ALK or "greg" my Klipschorns. A full boat turntable set up. Yep. Amen preach it Klipsch brother. DO NOT DRINK THEIR COOLAID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ69 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Give me $17k and mine definitely will sound better... They already spent the 17K on their system......... Thanx, Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAKO Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 It is pure hogwash not physics. there is gold in selling invisable pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ69 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I've got an open mind. I'm not going to spend that much for an equipment shelf but on the other hand, it's probably a really good shelf. You guys might find the price objectionable, but I don't, it's not within my budget limits but some guys have very large budgets for this kind of thing. Thanx, Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germerikan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 It is pure hogwash not physics. there is gold in selling invisable pants. P.T. Barnum said it best!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Seriously, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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