Monsanto Protection Act

[tigerwoodKhorns]

It is great to see a discussion such as this on an audio forum. It seems to me that the vast majority of people are not exposed to a lot of the information that this thread contains, and exposure to such may create a larger discussion in their lives.

I hope this thread continues to take up valuable forum space and continues to grow.I am glad I read it.

I am not as articulate or as knowledgable on these topics as most of the people who have contributed, but I have changed my diet and have started treating this planet kinder many moons ago because I started to think

mark

I owe a big thank you to Moray James (I think it was his post) for pointing me to The China Study. And Tube Fanatic for this thread. I made big changes close to 2 decades ago and now more due to this forum. Most helpful.

[ZAKO]

Tiger,,,Slaughter houses are designed for one thing,,,But every thing on that animal is used,,Everything,,,,,As far as GMO,,,Before GMO engineered food was prodeced,,,Did you know the banana we eat today was engineered in Hondurace a century ago? The tomato was engineered to have a thicker skin,,so it would not split in shipping ?,, I guess the Turkey you eat does not resemble the one I hunt,,Centuries ago when you hunted an animal you used a spear,,And you had to follow the animal for many miles, waiting for it to die,,Hunting in groups they cut up the animal so each could carry the meat home,,some times you being followed by some other animal, hoping to ****** it from your shoulder,,Interesting thing tonight at your dinner table watch how your relitives lift there eyes as they put food in there mouths,,Its instink behavior to guard some one else snatching your food from your mouth,,,That instinc still is engraind in our minds,,, There are many foods modified before Monsanto,,,

[tigerwoodKhorns]

Tiger,,,Slaughter houses are designed for one thing,,,But every thing on that animal is used,,Everything,,

I didn't want this to go to animal rights, but I did open the door. I'll give you more info than my previous post.

Read below. You are OK with this? 30% of the cows are dismembered and skinned alive? Are we that inhumane? People in this country revolted against milk fed veil when they found out how the calves were confined, but that is nothing compared to today.

I read about this in a book elsewhere but it is easy to find on the internet. Did the hunters you mentioned do this? I always assumed that they put the animal out of it misery before skinning and dismembering.

This is just plain aweful:

On May 26, 2000, television station KING channel 5 in Seattle,
Washington
broadcast video footage obtained by a worker in the Iowa Beef Processor
(IBP) slaughterhouse in Wallula, Washington showing live cows being
tortured by electric cattle prods, being skinned alive and even being
conscious at the cutting station where legs are removed.

In a signed affidavit, a slaughterhouse employee said "The chain goes
too fast, more than 300 cows an hour. ... If I can't get the animal
knocked right, it keeps going. ... The chain doesn't stop. It keeps
running. It never stops. The cows are getting hung alive or not alive.
They keep coming in. They just keep coming, coming, coming."

In a horrifying admission, the employee goes on to say, "I estimate that
30 percent of the cows are not properly knocked [stunned with the
electric prod] and get to the first legger alive. ... To still be alive
at the second legger the cows have gone alive from the knocker to the
sticker to the belly ripper (he cuts the hide down the center of the
cow's abdomen) to the tail ripper (he opens the [rectum]) to the first
legger (he skins a back leg and then cuts off the foot) to the first
butter (he skins from the breast to the belly and a little bit on the
back) to the worker who cuts off both front feet. Those cows then go to a
worker who sticks a hook into the joint where the first legger took off
the foot and the cows are hung from the trolley hook. I can tell that
these cows are alive because they're holding their heads up and a lot of
times they make noise."

Seventeen employees signed affidavits reporting cruel conditions at the plant.

Everything,,,,,As far as GMO,,,Before GMO engineered food was prodeced,,,Did you know the banana we eat today was engineered in Hondurace a century ago? The tomato was engineered to have a thicker skin,,so it would not split in shipping ?,, There are many foods modified before Monsanto,,,

Here is some more reading below. Is this OK too? Let's say that GMO's may be safe, is it worth the risk compared to just eating foods that are grown traditionally? The changes that you are talking about were within the same species. They were not bombarding plant DNA with human DNA, or pig DNA, in an inprecise manner.

Pregnant Women And Babies At Great Risk

Among the population, biologist David Schubert of the Salk Institute
warns that "children are the most likely to be adversely effected by
toxins and other dietary problems" related to GM foods. He says without
adequate studies, the children become "the experimental animals."[2]

The experience of actual GM-fed experimental animals is
scary. When GM soy was fed to female rats, most of their babies died
within three weeks—compared to a 10% death rate among the control group
fed natural soy.[3] The GM-fed babies were also smaller, and later had problems getting pregnant.[4]

When male rats were fed GM soy, their testicles actually changed color—from the normal pink to dark blue.[5] Mice fed GM soy had altered young sperm.[6] Even the embryos of GM fed parent mice had significant changes in their DNA.[7] Mice fed GM corn in an Austrian government study had fewer babies, which were also smaller than normal.[8]

Reproductive problems also plague livestock. Investigations in the
state of Haryana, India revealed that most buffalo that ate GM
cottonseed had complications such as premature deliveries, abortions,
infertility, and prolapsed uteruses. Many calves died. In the US, about
two dozen farmers reported thousands of pigs became sterile after
consuming certain GM corn varieties. Some had false pregnancies; others
gave birth to bags of water. Cows and bulls also became infertile when
fed the same corn.[9]

In the US population, the incidence of low birth weight babies, infertility, and infant mortality are all escalating.

Food Designed To Produce Toxin

GM corn and cotton are engineered to produce their own built-in
pesticide in every cell. When bugs bite the plant, the poison splits
open their stomach and kills them. Biotech companies claim that the
pesticide, called Bt—produced from soil bacteria Bacillus
thuringiensis—has a history of safe use, since organic farmers and
others use Bt bacteria spray for natural insect control. Genetic
engineers insert Bt genes into corn and cotton, so the plants do the
killing.

The Bt-toxin produced in GM plants, however, is thousands of times more concentrated than natural Bt spray, is designed to be more toxic,[10] has properties of an allergen, and unlike the spray, cannot be washed off the plant.

Moreover, studies confirm that even the less toxic natural bacterial
spray is harmful. When dispersed by plane to kill gypsy moths in the
Pacific Northwest, about 500 people reported allergy or flu-like
symptoms. Some had to go to the emergency room.[11],[12]

The exact same symptoms are now being reported by farm workers throughout India, from handling Bt cotton.[13] In 2008, based on medical records, the Sunday India reported, "Victims of itching have increased massively this year…related to BT cotton farming."[14]

Gmos Provoke Immune Reactions

AAEM states, "Multiple animal studies show significant immune
dysregulation," including increase in cytokines, which are "associated
with asthma, allergy, and inflammation"—all on the rise in the US.

According to GM food safety expert Dr. Arpad Pusztai, changes in the
immune status of GM animals are "a consistent feature of all the
studies."[15] Even Monsanto's own research showed significant immune system changes in rats fed Bt corn.[16] A November 2008 by the Italian government also found that mice have an immune reaction to Bt corn.[17]

GM soy and corn each contain two new proteins with allergenic properties,[18] GM soy has up to seven times more trypsin inhibitor—a known soy allergen,[19] and skin prick tests show some people react to GM, but not to non-GM soy.[20]
Soon after GM soy was introduced to the UK, soy allergies skyrocketed
by 50%. Perhaps the US epidemic of food allergies and asthma is a
casualty of genetic manipulation.

Animals Dying In Large Numbers

In India, animals graze on cotton plants after harvest. But when
shepherds let sheep graze on Bt cotton plants, thousands died. Post
mortems showed severe irritation and black patches in both intestines
and liver (as well as enlarged bile ducts). Investigators said
preliminary evidence "strongly suggests that the sheep mortality was due
to a toxin.…most probably Bt-toxin."[21]
In a small follow-up feeding study by the Deccan Development Society,
all sheep fed Bt cotton plants died within 30 days; those that grazed on
natural cotton plants remained healthy.

In a small village in Andhra Pradesh, buffalo grazed on cotton plants for eight years without incident. On January 3^rd, 2008, the buffalo grazed on Bt cotton plants for the first time. All 13 were sick the next day; all died within 3 days.[22]

Bt corn was also implicated in the deaths of cows in Germany, and horses, water buffaloes, and chickens in The Philippines.[23]

In lab studies, twice the number of chickens fed Liberty Link corn
died; 7 of 20 rats fed a GM tomato developed bleeding stomachs; another 7
of 40 died within two weeks.[24]
Monsanto's own study showed evidence of poisoning in major organs of
rats fed Bt corn, according to top French toxicologist G. E. Seralini.[25]

Worst Finding Of All—GMOs Remain Inside Of Us

The only published human feeding study revealed what may be the most
dangerous problem from GM foods. The gene inserted into GM soy transfers
into the DNA of bacteria living inside our intestines and continues to function.[26]
This means that long after we stop eating GMOs, we may still have
potentially harmful GM proteins produced continuously inside of us. Put
more plainly, eating a corn chip produced from Bt corn might transform
our intestinal bacteria into living pesticide factories, possibly for
the rest of our lives.

When evidence of gene transfer is reported at medical conferences
around the US, doctors often respond by citing the huge increase of
gastrointestinal problems among their patients over the last decade. GM
foods might be colonizing the gut flora of North Americans.

Warnings By Government Scientists Ignored And Denied

Scientists at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had warned about
all these problems even in the early 1990s. According to documents
released from a lawsuit, the scientific consensus at the agency was that
GM foods were inherently dangerous, and might create hard-to-detect
allergies, poisons, gene transfer to gut bacteria, new diseases, and
nutritional problems. They urged their superiors to require rigorous
long-term tests.[27]
But the White House had ordered the agency to promote biotechnology and
the FDA responded by recruiting Michael Taylor, Monsanto's former
attorney, to head up the formation of GMO policy. That policy, which is
in effect today, denies knowledge of scientists' concerns and declares
that no safety studies on GMOs are required. It is up to Monsanto and
the other biotech companies to determine if their foods are safe. Mr.
Taylor later became Monsanto's vice president.

[tigerwoodKhorns]

Tiger,,,Slaughter houses are designed for one thing,,,But every thing on that animal is used,,,

This is what is happening. This is much worse than the milk fed veil scenario that the public had a huge backlash toward 20 years ago:

On May 26, 2000, television station KING channel 5 in Seattle,
Washington
broadcast video footage obtained by a worker in the Iowa Beef Processor
(IBP) slaughterhouse in Wallula, Washington showing live cows being
tortured by electric cattle prods, being skinned alive and even being
conscious at the cutting station where legs are removed.

In a signed affidavit, a slaughterhouse employee said "The chain goes
too fast, more than 300 cows an hour. ... If I can't get the animal
knocked right, it keeps going. ... The chain doesn't stop. It keeps
running. It never stops. The cows are getting hung alive or not alive.
They keep coming in. They just keep coming, coming, coming."

In a horrifying admission, the employee goes on to say, "I estimate that
30 percent of the cows are not properly knocked [stunned with the
electric prod] and get to the first legger alive. ... To still be alive
at the second legger the cows have gone alive from the knocker to the
sticker to the belly ripper (he cuts the hide down the center of the
cow's abdomen) to the tail ripper (he opens the [rectum]) to the first
legger (he skins a back leg and then cuts off the foot) to the first
butter (he skins from the breast to the belly and a little bit on the
back) to the worker who cuts off both front feet. Those cows then go to a
worker who sticks a hook into the joint where the first legger took off
the foot and the cows are hung from the trolley hook. I can tell that
these cows are alive because they're holding their heads up and a lot of
times they make noise."

Seventeen employees signed affidavits reporting cruel conditions at the plant.

,,As far as GMO,,,Before GMO engineered food was prodeced,,,Did you know the banana we eat today was engineered in Hondurace a century ago? The tomato was engineered to have a thicker skin,,so it would not split in shipping ?,, There are many foods modified before Monsanto,,,

This is not worht the risk. I shoudl at least have the information to make the choice by myself:\

Pregnant Women And Babies At Great Risk

Among the population, biologist David Schubert of the Salk Institute
warns that "children are the most likely to be adversely effected by
toxins and other dietary problems" related to GM foods. He says without
adequate studies, the children become "the experimental animals."[2]

The experience of actual GM-fed experimental animals is
scary. When GM soy was fed to female rats, most of their babies died
within three weeks—compared to a 10% death rate among the control group
fed natural soy.[3] The GM-fed babies were also smaller, and later had problems getting pregnant.[4]

When male rats were fed GM soy, their testicles actually changed color—from the normal pink to dark blue.[5] Mice fed GM soy had altered young sperm.[6] Even the embryos of GM fed parent mice had significant changes in their DNA.[7] Mice fed GM corn in an Austrian government study had fewer babies, which were also smaller than normal.[8]

Reproductive problems also plague livestock. Investigations in the
state of Haryana, India revealed that most buffalo that ate GM
cottonseed had complications such as premature deliveries, abortions,
infertility, and prolapsed uteruses. Many calves died. In the US, about
two dozen farmers reported thousands of pigs became sterile after
consuming certain GM corn varieties. Some had false pregnancies; others
gave birth to bags of water. Cows and bulls also became infertile when
fed the same corn.[9]

In the US population, the incidence of low birth weight babies, infertility, and infant mortality are all escalating.

Food Designed To Produce Toxin

GM corn and cotton are engineered to produce their own built-in
pesticide in every cell. When bugs bite the plant, the poison splits
open their stomach and kills them. Biotech companies claim that the
pesticide, called Bt—produced from soil bacteria Bacillus
thuringiensis—has a history of safe use, since organic farmers and
others use Bt bacteria spray for natural insect control. Genetic
engineers insert Bt genes into corn and cotton, so the plants do the
killing.

The Bt-toxin produced in GM plants, however, is thousands of times more concentrated than natural Bt spray, is designed to be more toxic,[10] has properties of an allergen, and unlike the spray, cannot be washed off the plant.

Moreover, studies confirm that even the less toxic natural bacterial
spray is harmful. When dispersed by plane to kill gypsy moths in the
Pacific Northwest, about 500 people reported allergy or flu-like
symptoms. Some had to go to the emergency room.[11],[12]

The exact same symptoms are now being reported by farm workers throughout India, from handling Bt cotton.[13] In 2008, based on medical records, the Sunday India reported, "Victims of itching have increased massively this year…related to BT cotton farming."[14]

Gmos Provoke Immune Reactions

AAEM states, "Multiple animal studies show significant immune
dysregulation," including increase in cytokines, which are "associated
with asthma, allergy, and inflammation"—all on the rise in the US.

According to GM food safety expert Dr. Arpad Pusztai, changes in the
immune status of GM animals are "a consistent feature of all the
studies."[15] Even Monsanto's own research showed significant immune system changes in rats fed Bt corn.[16] A November 2008 by the Italian government also found that mice have an immune reaction to Bt corn.[17]

GM soy and corn each contain two new proteins with allergenic properties,[18] GM soy has up to seven times more trypsin inhibitor—a known soy allergen,[19] and skin prick tests show some people react to GM, but not to non-GM soy.[20]
Soon after GM soy was introduced to the UK, soy allergies skyrocketed
by 50%. Perhaps the US epidemic of food allergies and asthma is a
casualty of genetic manipulation.

Animals Dying In Large Numbers

In India, animals graze on cotton plants after harvest. But when
shepherds let sheep graze on Bt cotton plants, thousands died. Post
mortems showed severe irritation and black patches in both intestines
and liver (as well as enlarged bile ducts). Investigators said
preliminary evidence "strongly suggests that the sheep mortality was due
to a toxin.…most probably Bt-toxin."[21]
In a small follow-up feeding study by the Deccan Development Society,
all sheep fed Bt cotton plants died within 30 days; those that grazed on
natural cotton plants remained healthy.

In a small village in Andhra Pradesh, buffalo grazed on cotton plants for eight years without incident. On January 3^rd, 2008, the buffalo grazed on Bt cotton plants for the first time. All 13 were sick the next day; all died within 3 days.[22]

Bt corn was also implicated in the deaths of cows in Germany, and horses, water buffaloes, and chickens in The Philippines.[23]

In lab studies, twice the number of chickens fed Liberty Link corn
died; 7 of 20 rats fed a GM tomato developed bleeding stomachs; another 7
of 40 died within two weeks.[24]
Monsanto's own study showed evidence of poisoning in major organs of
rats fed Bt corn, according to top French toxicologist G. E. Seralini.[25]

Worst Finding Of All—GMOs Remain Inside Of Us

The only published human feeding study revealed what may be the most
dangerous problem from GM foods. The gene inserted into GM soy transfers
into the DNA of bacteria living inside our intestines and continues to function.[26]
This means that long after we stop eating GMOs, we may still have
potentially harmful GM proteins produced continuously inside of us. Put
more plainly, eating a corn chip produced from Bt corn might transform
our intestinal bacteria into living pesticide factories, possibly for
the rest of our lives.

When evidence of gene transfer is reported at medical conferences
around the US, doctors often respond by citing the huge increase of
gastrointestinal problems among their patients over the last decade. GM
foods might be colonizing the gut flora of North Americans.

Warnings By Government Scientists Ignored And Denied

Scientists at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had warned about
all these problems even in the early 1990s. According to documents
released from a lawsuit, the scientific consensus at the agency was that
GM foods were inherently dangerous, and might create hard-to-detect
allergies, poisons, gene transfer to gut bacteria, new diseases, and
nutritional problems. They urged their superiors to require rigorous
long-term tests.[27]
But the White House had ordered the agency to promote biotechnology and
the FDA responded by recruiting Michael Taylor, Monsanto's former
attorney, to head up the formation of GMO policy. That policy, which is
in effect today, denies knowledge of scientists' concerns and declares
that no safety studies on GMOs are required. It is up to Monsanto and
the other biotech companies to determine if their foods are safe. Mr.
Taylor later became Monsanto's vice president.

[seti]

Even if you wanted to you can't stop multi billion dollar industry. To think otherwise is folly.

[ZAKO]

Even if you could eliminate corp....What would our country be like ?,,,Probably like Cuba,,Rolling tobacco leaves makeing cigars.

[ZAKO]

IT appears flame retardent in furniture has affected children,,, Read in Scientific American,,

[ZAKO]

God point,,,I,ll believe a corporation is a person,,When TEXAS executes one..

[JJkizak]

Oh my god, you mean the Supreme court is political?

JJK

[Boxx]

God point,,,I,ll believe a corporation is a person,,When TEXAS executes one..

Don't count it out, it could always happen....

[Ski Bum]

The population has doubled since i was born,,Pest resistent GMO is now important,,To feed the world,,What are you going to feed them with ???insects ???

Soylent Green, of course!

While you discuss these grand problems of the world, I'm going to cue up some Miles....Ahhhh, that's better. [grabs popcorn...wait, is this GMO popcorn that's going to mutate my intestinal flora into pesticide-belching, IBS inducing agents of death?]

[billybob]

Soylent Green may be what it comes to.

Meanwhile just a couple of the dangers of microwave popcorn.:

http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/respiratory/popcorn-lung1.html

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/dangers-of-microwave-popcorn.html

[tube fanatic]

Since this thread is still active, I'll add a new discussion topic which is equally relevant- whether citizens can choose to drink raw, unpasteurized milk. The government, of course, says no way (reminds me of when NJ tried to ban restaurants from serving sunnyside up eggs about 20 years ago.) Apparently we are too stupid to make decisions about what we put into our bodies. Everyone's thoughts appreciated on this one!

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/05/21/raw-milk-sales.aspx?e_cid=20130521_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130521

[billybob]

I am old enough to remember my grandpa bringing over fresh milk from the farm for me to drink when a kid. Never got sick and it was always good.

Guess the government would have had a fit if they saw my dad drinking a glass of clabbered milk. There are beneficial bacteria in the mix here, just like acidopholus in yogurt and kefir...yummy.

[ZAKO]

Buttermilk yum yum yum !!!!

[ZAKO]

Buttermilk yum yum yum !!!! Extra cold with ice.

[tigerwoodKhorns]

Since this thread is still active, I'll add a new discussion topic which is equally relevant- whether citizens can choose to drink raw, unpasteurized milk. The government, of course, says no way (reminds me of when NJ tried to ban restaurants from serving sunnyside up eggs about 20 years ago.) Apparently we are too stupid to make decisions about what we put into our bodies. Everyone's thoughts appreciated on this one!

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/05/21/raw-milk-sales.aspx?e_cid=20130521_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130521

Years ago I would have said that the pasturized milk is safer and really important. Now, with cows being "machines" held in closely confined places and loaded with steroids, hormones and antibiotics, and then fed crops that are not natural to the cows (corn has some bad effects on cows) that is GMO to boot, I'd say you are much safer with the natural product.

[billybob]

Buttermilk yum yum yum !!!! Extra cold with ice.

Homemade liken de ole day...

[billybob]

There were protests over the weekend against Monsanto. Just heard very briefly on car radio. Guess they were protesting about the no-labeling issue, among other things.

[billybob]

Here it is:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-201_162-10016968.html