dirtmudd Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 41 minutes ago, oldtimer said: stay out of jail insurance, and stay out of grave insurance for the innocent. I like the way you think. and now about going for a high ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, JJkizak said: I wonder if you purchase a sports car if they have a button you can push that says to drive like a race car driver so I can get home fast. Another button for peeling rubber. Another one to purposely tailgate. I can see the aftermarket chip suppliers going bananas. JJK back seat fornincation button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 minute ago, dirtmudd said: back seat fornincation button If its autonomous, you already have that by definition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 minute ago, oldtimer said: If its autonomous, you already have that by definition. it doesn't adjust the air ride..or preset music..and dim lighting.. and a back out camera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, oldtimer said: you already have that by definition. It would take more than software for me to ". . . already have that . . . " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, DizRotus said: It would take more than software for me to ". . . already have that . . . " Not gonna go there, wouldn't be prudent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Not gonna go there, wouldn't be prudent. 8 minutes ago, DizRotus said: It would take more than software for me to ". . . already have that . . . " 2 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Not gonna go there, wouldn't be prudent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 will it cure my asthma too? Look here brother... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, oldtimer said: will it cure my asthma too? Look here brother... I poked 'n stroked till my wrist got numb But I still didn't hear no Dinah-Moe Humm Dinah-Moe Humm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, JJkizak said: I wonder if you purchase a sports car if they have a button you can push that says to drive like a race car driver so I can get home fast. Another button for peeling rubber. Another one to purposely tailgate. I can see the aftermarket chip suppliers going bananas No particular reason why not in any of that. Rather silly, perhaps, but the AI could handle it. However, you'd be taken home as fast as possible by any AV. Of course, there will be no speed limits or other traffic signs as AV's won't need them and the concept is ridiculous with an AV. Speed limits will be determined by the AI's determination of "reasonable and prudent." Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Mallette said: determined by the AI's determination of "reasonable and prudent." Unless it had Dodge Ram driver mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Ram drivers are in a hurry to get home before the vehicle rusts completely away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 On 5/16/2017 at 11:47 AM, Mallette said: The more I've thought about it, the more I realize how they are going about readying us. A significant share of vehicles in the normal price range now offer assisted backup, lane assist, auto braking, pedestrian alerts, and other components of a true AV. These serve as training tools to get owners to trust them. Further, it allows the builders to continue to refine software and systems with minimum liability as the driver still is supposed to be fully responsible and is required to be ensured. There is no doubt in my mind that full AV systems are already much safer than humans, but not good enough for the builders to be ready to assume liability and release the driver. Talking to engineer friends....the reason that responsible automotive companies (read not Tesla) are progressing in this manner is because it's a safe development strategy. It's much less about "readying the consumer." Many of these companies are installing cell networks in the cars so they can data mine the sensors. As the data comes in, they simulate how their new designs and algorithms will behave under real scenarios. More data = more refined. There is a lot of speculation from outsiders about the readiness of technology, its safety, etc, etc.... but then there are those operating with the real data. The list of corner cases to be handled continues to grow. Some of this information leaks out into the general public (like the mylar/foil balloons), but most of it stays in the realm of trade secrets. Gotta protect that intellectual property.... I have no doubt it will eventually happen, but it's not going to look the way it's being described here or in the marketing. It'll probably start down that path - lots of people will die - and then eventually the proper infrastructure will get put into place. It's a very straightforward design challenge with the proper infrastructure, but we simply don't have that infrastructure yet - and trying to put all the smarts into the car is the wrong solution. It may be a necessary development step, but I long for a day when we actually come together as a community and decide we want to do something well. All the misinformation and sensationalism does not push us in that direction - and that's really frustrating for me. But even more frustrating is the rogue irresponsible behavior from Tesla to inflate their stock prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 44 minutes ago, DrWho said: It'll probably start down that path - lots of people will die - and then eventually the proper infrastructure will get put into place. Lots of people die now, and deaths in cars equipped with braking, lane assist, adaptive cruise alone carry projections of great reducing deaths. As to changing the infrastructure, little or none. These systems need to be able to deal with worst case, not environments tailored to them. As to Tesla, not sure about their actions. I am still waiting for the massive lawsuit but have heard nothing. I have simply assumed it would happen, and must confess since it appears inevitable it will clear the air and greatly illuminate many things about the future of this technology. As to how long, it's already twice as advanced as my most optimistic thoughts even a couple of years ago. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Dave- I pretty much agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Dave, if it all pans out, cars will be operating on Windows 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 Jeff, that's pushing nearly 20 years old. Actually, Win95, as the original joke was that to stop a car running Win95 you'd have to press the "Start" button. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 12 hours ago, Mallette said: Jeff, that's pushing nearly 20 years old. Actually, Win95, as the original joke was that to stop a car running Win95 you'd have to press the "Start" button. Dave Auto cars might work after filtering out the "Nerd Effect". JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Here's one opinion: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/opinion-dollar25-oil-is-coming-and-along-with-it-a-new-world-order/ar-BBBth5X?ocid=spartanntp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 6 hours ago, oldtimer said: Here's one opinion: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/opinion-dollar25-oil-is-coming-and-along-with-it-a-new-world-order/ar-BBBth5X?ocid=spartanntp Remember the scary stories that used to be foretold about how the world would run short of oil? As usual, the doom-sayers never gave much credit to human ingenuity. I thought the following from the article was an interesting comment: Also Monday, Toyota Research Institute ramped up their investment, teaming up with MIT Media lab and five other companies to explore blockchain technology for the development of driverless cars. I never heard of "blockchain" until earlier this week. Now that I have an idea of what's involved there, it lends credence to the idea that big plans are actually in place to have it where people use cars on a "pay as you go" basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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