Jim Naseum Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 http://upliftconnect.com/is-reality-a-hologram/ The ancient wise men all seemed to come to the same point about life and the universe beginning 3,000 years ago. Then in the early 1900s the best science minds developed the theories of quantum mechanics, in which reality just could not be pinned down. These two views of the mystics and the scientist now seem less than an inch apart. The video here is terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 so how are you going to reconcile both General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) M theory, and the related String and Superstring theories explain everything, with the usual caveats that they are theoretical constructs. Edited February 3, 2016 by Don Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 My theory (Theory of JJK) is that all quantum particles are connected in a universal mass connecting all the visible mass that is the same expanse as the Universe. There is no time involved in this mass and travel from one end of the Universe to the other is instantaneous. This quantum mass also contains or is dark matter. It is also a component of the holographic matter projection system. You see how easy it is to explain everything. JJK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) http://upliftconnect.com/is-reality-a-hologram/ The ancient wise men all seemed to come to the same point about life and the universe beginning 3,000 years ago. Then in the early 1900s the best science minds developed the theories of quantum mechanics, in which reality just could not be pinned down. These two views of the mystics and the scientist now seem less than an inch apart. The video here is terrific. Ancient wise men in the West may well have been aware that Sumerian and other cultures existed previous to 4,000 BC (about 6,016 years ago as of this year). Biblical literalists (fundamentalists) tend to calculate the Creation as happening about 4,004 BC, or about 6,020 years ago. Life would have come later. Other calculations by other literalists produce dates of 5199 BC, 4163 BC, 3,760 BC. I once heard an astronomer discussing the over-reliance on parsimony with a TV interviewer. He said that the most parsimonius explanation of the universe might be that we are imagining it ... or that he was imagining everything, including the interviewer. Edited February 5, 2016 by garyrc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Biblical literalists (fundamentalists) tend to calculate the Creation as happening about 4,004 BC, or about 6,020 years ago. Well, not so much biblical literalists as those who believe in Bishop Ussher. That aside, this is perfectly good if you go with the hologram/matrix/we're all a giant simulation (which, regardless of attitude about it, we are) idea. We see time as an absolute, the arrow of time, always moving forward. So would a hologram who would conceive of "non-temporality" as best it could by thinking of an existence without a CPU cycle...something, of course, not possible in that environment anymore (Think carefully) than it is for us. Now, our CPU seems to run on Planck time. The jiffy is the amount of time light takes to travel one fermi (about the size of a nucleon) in a vacuum. Planck time is the time light takes to travel one Planck length. Theoretically, this is the smallest time measurement that will ever be possible. Our CPU is an incredible multi-threaded one that has so many "jiffy" threads going at once we cannot begin to comprehend it. Of course, neither would any single component of an simulation as to do so would mean it had to be the whole simulation at once...we'd call that God. And that's all I gots to say about that... Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 http://upliftconnect.com/is-reality-a-hologram/ The ancient wise men all seemed to come to the same point about life and the universe beginning 3,000 years ago. Then in the early 1900s the best science minds developed the theories of quantum mechanics, in which reality just could not be pinned down. These two views of the mystics and the scientist now seem less than an inch apart. The video here is terrific. Ancient wise men in the West may well have been aware that Sumerian and other cultures existed previous to 4,000 BC (about 6,016 years ago as of this year). Biblical literalists (fundamentalists) tend to calculate the Creation as happening about 4,004 BC, or about 6,020 years ago. Life would have come later. Other calculations by other literalists produce dates of 5199 BC, 4163 BC, 3,760 BC. I once heard an astronomer discussing the over-reliance on parsimony with a TV interviewer. He said that the most parsimonius explanation of the universe might be that we are imagining it ... or that he was imagining everything, including the interviewer. Oh man. I left out a very important comma. This is what I intended to type "The ancient wise men all seemed to come to the same point about life and the universe, beginning 3,000 years ago." Or better yet I should have said, "About 3000 years ago, ancient wise men came to the same point (as these scientists) about life and the universe." I'm not a "young earther." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 I'm not as fond of the computer simulation idea as I am of the idea Watts presents of human existence as the "fabric" of the universe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 YOU are a figment of MY imagination. And I am a figment of YOUR imagination? Does anybody else see this as not possible? Go pass a kidney stone and tell me about how holographic it was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 My attempt at explanation: If the universe is just energy humans are nodes of energy. The energy is expressed as our thoughts visions interactions locally. The stuff you think you see, like a chair, or Mars, are just energy patterns associated with you. There's no red planet out there in some physical space if all human minds died out. Only our minds create all that external looking stuff. On the one hand it seems so obvious, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 What is your opinion of the Anthropic Cosmological Principles. Your statements seem to relate to them. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 My attempt at explanation: If the universe is just energy humans are nodes of energy. The energy is expressed as our thoughts visions interactions locally. The stuff you think you see, like a chair, or Mars, are just energy patterns associated with you. There's no red planet out there in some physical space if all human minds died out. Only our minds create all that external looking stuff. On the one hand it seems so obvious, right? On the other hand it seems so ludicrous. If (using your own construct) the earth is much older than human existence, and perhaps if species who appeared before us also might have looked at a red planet, but being extinct all of their minds have died out, it might not just be our own creation, but a physical space which has vast amounts of time before us and after us, even as it also changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Not at all ludicrous, Brian. I could point out the last line of "Zardoz." "It was all rather a joke..." That's a bit extreme, and I rather doubt that it's all joke, but I fully agree with "The universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it's queerer than we CAN imagine." Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 That does not imply that the universe is only imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Disagree. It implies that all things are possible. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Is it possible for a man to eat his own head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Relevance? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 My attempt at explanation: If the universe is just energy humans are nodes of energy. The energy is expressed as our thoughts visions interactions locally. The stuff you think you see, like a chair, or Mars, are just energy patterns associated with you. There's no red planet out there in some physical space if all human minds died out. Only our minds create all that external looking stuff. On the one hand it seems so obvious, right? A modern version of Bishop Berkeley, without the God part that solves the problem? Bertrand Russell (in The History of Western Philosophy) quoted the Ronald Knox limerick that set forth Berkeley's position: There was a young man who said, "God Must think it exceedingly odd If he finds that this tree Continues to be When there's no one about in the Quad. REPLY Dear Sir: Your astonishment's odd: I am always about in the Quad. And that's why the tree Will continue to be, Since observed by Yours faithfully, God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Relevance? Dave If the answer is no, then all things are not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Reductio ad absurdum. Easy to end any intelligent discussion that way. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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