Jim Naseum Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 This is a real world, The only way for that to have meaning is to know what real means. Real, probably just means you can sense it, and then your mind spins you a yarn about it. You can't be aware of any world you can't sense. And so, it leads right back to the electrical signals in the brain, from which arises a mind. If we are unsure what mind is, how can we know that what it conjurs up is real? How is the awake world any more real than the dream world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 That sounds like the meaning of the word "is". JJK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 Well, that's epistemology for ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 Nick Bostrom's Hypothesis that it is almost CERTAIN we live in a computer simulation is well, fascinating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Nick Bostrom's Hypothesis that it is almost CERTAIN we live in a computer simulation is well, fascinating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis Do the simulators themselves live in a simulation created by other simulators? "It's turtles all the way down." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStewMan Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 so am I in a Gadda Da Vida or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) "Before the beginning, there was this turtle. And he was very big. He was the biggest he had seen..." Firesign Theater Dave Edited February 8, 2016 by Mallette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 And we haven't even broached the other problem....time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Cogito ergo sum. Cogito sum ergo sum cogito Bierce, or Carlin? Moody Blues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If we are unsure what mind is, how can we know that what it conjurs up is real? How is the awake world any more real than the dream world? When many people report the same experience while observing the same event, that constitutes empirical evidence of a reality which exists independent of the observer. For example, Denver just won the Superbowl. I am supremely confident that in the morning myself and millions of other people shall awaken with the certainty the event's occurrence was real and not CGI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If this world isn't real or is only a dream or a hologram or whatever the premise of this thread is, why do people have children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Because they're fun to make? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 This is a real world, Prove that and you'll have a primary place in history. Dave It's not necessary to prove what is self-evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 It's not necessary to prove what is self-evident. Not self evident to a lot of us. That is the point of this discussion. I respect your belief, but you have no evidence to prove it. I cannot say you are wrong, but I also cannot say you are right. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 And we haven't even broached the other problem....time. Time is just one thing after another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well, the smart money's on Harlow and the moon is in the streetAnd the shadow boys are breaking all the lawsAnd you're east of East Saint Louis and the wind is making speechesAnd the rain sounds like a round of applauseAnd Napoleon is weeping in a carnival saloonHis invisible fiancee's in the mirrorAnd the band is going home, it's raining hammers, it's raining nailsAnd it's true there's nothing left for him down here And it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, time, that you loveAnd it's time, time, time And they all pretend they're orphans and their memory's like a trainYou can see it getting smaller as it pulls awayAnd the things you can't remember tell the things you can't forgetThat history puts a saint in every dream Well, she said she'd stick around until the bandages came offBut these mama's boys just don't know when to quitAnd Mathilda asks the sailors "are those dreams or are those prayers?"So close your eyes, son, and this won't hurt a bit Oh, it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, time that you loveAnd it's time, time, time Well, things are pretty lousy for a calendar girlThe boys just dive right off the cars and splash into the streetAnd when they're on a roll she pulls a razor from her bootAnd a thousand pigeons fall around her feetSo put a candle in the window and a kiss upon his lipsAs the dish outside the window fills with rainJust like a stranger with the weeds in your heartAnd pay the fiddler off 'til I come back again Oh, it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, time that you loveAnd it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, timeAnd it's time, time, time that you loveAnd it's time, time, time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) It's not necessary to prove what is self-evident. Not self evident to a lot of us. That is the point of this discussion. I respect your belief, but you have no evidence to prove it. I cannot say you are wrong, but I also cannot say you are right. Dave It seems you are confusing perception with reality. So, in your world, who won the Superbowl last night? Edited February 8, 2016 by Don Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The defensive coach of the Broncos. JJK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 We saw the same game, apparently. Some would say we dreamed the same dream. I side with those millions who say we witnessed a real game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 So, in your world, who won the Superbowl last night? Beats me. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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