Why Is Marijuana Banned? The Real Reasons Are Worse Than You Think

[Jim Naseum]

"Gateway drug" is nothing more than an artificial, political claim by the nannies.

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[Jim Naseum]

Dave that Thai stick i had long ago could have been laced all along and i was just not aware of it, never looked into it or really thought about it previously.

I scratch my head at some of the ignorance i hear spouted here and wonder if some get all their information straight from the DEA propaganda machine.

Yes. That propaganda machine is huge, well funded, and has had 50 years of unchecked reign.

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[Jim Naseum]

What? He asked a question, and I asked why the answer mattered to him. Enough of the pointless interjections.

Maybe time to take a look in the mirror.

I already did.

Maybe it's time for you to contribute something to the subject matter instead of attacking other people's character. Did you never hear, "tackle the ball, not the man.?"

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[Jim Naseum]

Draconian drug policy is prolonging potential cures for PTSD. MDMA is currently Schedule I. Meaning, no useful medicinal purposes. And yet, it has been shown to be the most useful drug we have for treating PTSD. Treatment with as few as two doses has been an effective cure.

Millions of people have stress related symptoms similar to PTSD. I have no doubt most of them would benefit from Ecstasy. And if it was legal, these people would be leading better lives.

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[Jim Naseum]

In ancient, and often wiser societies, the Medicine Man, or more commonly, the Shaman, was the wisest and most revered and respected member of the group. How could that be? The man with the drugs had the keys to keeping the group sane, together, and prospering.

Modern societies have killed the Shaman off, legally barred the wisdom and medicine, and worse, thrown him in prison. And what do we have in place? More murder, more crime, more endless punishment, more sociopathy, and far, far less wisdom.

We think it was smart to cut man off from this kind of ancient wisdom so that we could turn them into more efficient tools of commerce, machines that are only useful for wealth building. It's a phase that will fail.

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[Fish]

Milk is a gateway drug. Kids start on it and then ..........Truly one of the biggest lies ever repeated (gateway drug)

 

A single glass of milk can contain a mixture of as many as 20 painkillers, antibiotics and growth hormones.  Using a highly sensitive test, scientists found the chemicals in samples of cow, goat and human breast milk.

Edited February 14, 2016 by Fish

[Jim Naseum]

I had never heard that, but it's no surprise.

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[oscarsear]

Spent a career working with the less fortunates suffering from a range of chronic ailments.  They so envied those born whole and healthy and faced challenges that many of you could not even imagine.  They stood up to those challenges and for as long as they lived - they were happy.  To listen to you all who have all of your health thinking that pleasure is found in risking that health and being fogged over with psychoactive drugs is so sad for me.  Relish your health and celebrate life.  Demonstrate to your own families the values found in productivity and wisdom and in real relationships.  Does anyone really need drugs for recreation?  With all we have available today entertainment should not be a challenge.  More inebriation is not what will benefit future generations.  More inebriation is counter productive.  Already humanity suffers from generational drug families that tend to under achieve and under aspire.  Ask any high school counselor or CPS social worker.  Legal or not - more inebriation is not a useful goal.

[Mallette]

To listen to you all who have all of your health thinking that pleasure is found in risking that health and being fogged over with psychoactive drugs is so sad for me.

 

 

"Inebriation?"

 

 

verb (used with object), inebriated, inebriating.

1.

to make drunk; intoxicate.

2.

to exhilarate, confuse, or stupefy mentally or emotionally.

 

I'd say that only exhilarate, and occasionally confuse (usually by someone who is very, very straight and either missing the joke or not hearing the music) is about all that applies from that to MJ. 

 

I cannot understanding "feeling sorry" for those who've had the experience of another POV that can only be had by use of certain natural substances tested and used for those purposes for millenia.  It's an entirely modern viewpoint.  '

 

Tell it to those terminal patients who had their fears reduced and found peace with LSD and related substances, and, while not of the same class, explain to a patient in debilitating pain the just need to buck up and deal with it.  I have personal experience with some of the millions on prescription drugs for depression and such that are quite dangerous, expensive, and addictive.  But our system says they are fine because they are FDA approved.  For many of these, they found MJ did the same thing without the risks or expense.

 

Saw an editorial cartoon explaining why his patient needed one of those nasty chemicals instead of natural alternatives.  It would have been funny if not such a tragic commentary on our profit motivated, Puritan fueled ideas on these things.

 

Dave

[oscarsear]

Mallette/Dave.........   As I have already stated medical science needs to determine the best to be obtained from MJ and figure out the best way to utilize it.  For that matter there's a lot of medical potential for psychotropics like LSD too.  But to merely cut the product free and available for personal application - is adding a new and different layer of inebriation into a society already severely troubled with existing products.  

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[twk123]

 

Dave that Thai stick i had long ago could have been laced all along and i was just not aware of it, never looked into it or really thought about it previously.

I scratch my head at some of the ignorance i hear spouted here and wonder if some get all their information straight from the DEA propaganda machine.

Yes. That propaganda machine is huge, well funded, and has had 50 years of unchecked reign.

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This is actually an argument for legalization. In the black market there is no oversight or accountability. However, a reputable store would never risk their license to lace their product with opium or any other drugs. In fact, most Cannabis is grown indoor in a highly controlled environment with far less chemicals than 90% of the crops we eat. 

[Jim Naseum]

Spent a career working with the less fortunates suffering from a range of chronic ailments.  They so envied those born whole and healthy and faced challenges that many of you could not even imagine.  They stood up to those challenges and for as long as they lived - they were happy.  To listen to you all who have all of your health thinking that pleasure is found in risking that health and being fogged over with psychoactive drugs is so sad for me.  Relish your health and celebrate life.  Demonstrate to your own families the values found in productivity and wisdom and in real relationships.  Does anyone really need drugs for recreation?  With all we have available today entertainment should not be a challenge.  More inebriation is not what will benefit future generations.  More inebriation is counter productive.  Already humanity suffers from generational drug families that tend to under achieve and under aspire.  Ask any high school counselor or CPS social worker.  Legal or not - more inebriation is not a useful goal.

 

Is it about inebriation? You say. But then you'd have to ask why doctors prescribe psychoactive drugs to many millions of people, wouldn't you? 

 

Is it about recreation? You say. But then you'd have to explain why Shaman through the ages have found the deepest wisdom by using psychoactive and psychedelic chemicals, wouldn't you? 

 

I asked earlier what principles you were trying to invoke to support your argument. You seemed to not even understand the question. My principle, is the principle of natural human liberty. It is a well understood philosophy, and it is completely credible. I still can't see what yours is?

 

Is it simply your will to "dictate" over others? 

Is it "democracy" wherein you think the majority should rule, and that the majority is against drug use?

Is it "socialism" wherein you think the public has vowed to be each other's keepers in all matters of health?

 

At this point, the only conclusion I draw is that you assume to dictate by your will what is right and what is wrong for the rest of society. If that's your principle, you'll have to face the "dictates" of 310M other dictators. 

[twk123]

Mallette/Dave.........   As I have already stated medical science needs to determine the best to be obtained from MJ and figure out the best way to utilize it.  For that matter there's a lot of medical potential for psychotropics like LSD too.  But to merely cut the product free and available for personal application - is adding a new and different layer of inebriation into a society already severely troubled with existing products.  

 

The problem is Medical Science has had the last 50+ years to do that and all we see from it is rampant Oxycontin addiction with over 20,000 annual deaths due to prescription drug overdose and a tyrannical government that leaves the one substance with 0 known overdose fatalities since the beginning of mankind on a Schedule 1 list. I dont trust the FDA or the DEA one bit and they have no right to control what I put in my body.   

[dtel]

is adding a new and different layer of inebriation into a society already severely troubled with existing products.

 

It's not new or different, people have not just started trying it since it started to become legal in some places, individuals have many years of experience with it and know the truth about it, they know when there being lied to.

[Jim Naseum]

 

Mallette/Dave.........   As I have already stated medical science needs to determine the best to be obtained from MJ and figure out the best way to utilize it.  For that matter there's a lot of medical potential for psychotropics like LSD too.  But to merely cut the product free and available for personal application - is adding a new and different layer of inebriation into a society already severely troubled with existing products.  

 

The problem is Medical Science has had the last 50+ years to do that and all we see from it is rampant Oxycontin addiction with over 20,000 annual deaths due to prescription drug overdose and a tyrannical government that leaves the one substance with 0 known overdose fatalities since the beginning of mankind on a Schedule 1 list. I dont trust the FDA or the DEA one bit and they have no right to control what I put in my body.   

 

 

"Medical Science" means what, exactly? (Laughter). Most people assume it is some independent and rational institution that can wave a wand with some research and set policy. That's ludicrous. In the world of Scheduled Drugs, by which we mean the War on Drugs, the last people in line with a vote are "medical scientists." 

 

Who needs a refresher on how US Policy is made? Are there people who think it's rationalized for the good of citizens? Are there naive people who think scientists make policy in the USA? Are there still people who think "medicine" is independent of commerce and politics? 

 

Review: After 30 years of WoD, and $3T spent, and there are more drugs available than in the beginning. Why? It's not a mistake.

[Fish]

I'm not an advocate of weed, I always discouraged my kids and everyone else's from partaking. I do however believe in adult freedom . I also appreciate the anti buzz point of view. It's just someone's opinion but that's a right.

I don't however think someone else's opinions should rule your life, cost a job, wreck a future and then maybe result in all those nasty things.

I had a neighbor, never missed a days work for ten years. Overtime and all, great citizen. The company was bought out, immediate drug test. He was fired for pot, starting drinking, wrecked his family life. He has not worked since 27 years ago, taxpayers have paid ever since. I would think it's happened many times to many families.

I have known every sort of person, judge, Dr, lawyer, teacher, firefighter, salesperson etc...most all I have known that smoked weed sent kids to college, and were good citizens. I even knew one poorer fellow(decades ago) that sent three kids to college on weed he grew. None of them ever knew or have ever touched a joint.

To just believe something because it sounds right is not the best way to make law.I believe in the judgement of the average hard working person to decide for themselves.

I would suggest that everyone try to enjoy their life straight up, no nothing but love of family, friends, country and a good diet and work your part.But....key words I and suggest.

[Mallette]

But to merely cut the product free and available for personal application - is adding a new and different layer of inebriation into a society already severely troubled with existing products.

 

Hmmm...it was free and some highly safe and effective medications have been "tested" since the Egyptians.  How much do we need?  I don't think anyone is going to disagree that the placing of MJ as illegal, period, was anything but arbitrary.  The absolutely solid evidence by Nixon's commission proved that no matter how much evidence there is it isn't enough for establishment.

 

Dave

[oscarsear]

 

Mallette/Dave.........   As I have already stated medical science needs to determine the best to be obtained from MJ and figure out the best way to utilize it.  For that matter there's a lot of medical potential for psychotropics like LSD too.  But to merely cut the product free and available for personal application - is adding a new and different layer of inebriation into a society already severely troubled with existing products.  

 

The problem is Medical Science has had the last 50+ years to do that and all we see from it is rampant Oxycontin addiction with over 20,000 annual deaths due to prescription drug overdose and a tyrannical government that leaves the one substance with 0 known overdose fatalities since the beginning of mankind on a Schedule 1 list. I dont trust the FDA or the DEA one bit and they have no right to control what I put in my body.   

 

Agreed........... it was not good, along with the misinformation foisted on the public.  It was not the correct scientific way to manage these substances and that needs to change.  Oxycontin deaths have more to do with abusing the drug as opposed to accidental overdosing.  This fact elucidates the human tendency to not manage these powerful drugs of their own volition.

[Jim Naseum]

What I see missing from this discussion is the profound "grounding and insight effects" that various chemicals can induce in people. In the 60s it was simply called "expanding your consciousness." In this thread, all I read is about "inebriation" which actually only seriously applies to boozers. It comes from obviously inexperienced people. Being drunk is in no ways similar to being dosed with LSD, MDMA, or even just MJ. This weird idea that everyone is "drunk" is a grave misunderstanding of the woefully inexperienced. 

 

Americans are just not studying history, metaphysics, mythology, literature and wisdom. Everyone's interest is nothing but making a buck. Every complaint I see here is that "inebriated people aren't productive." As if the meaning of life was "making a buck." Well, obviously for some, that's what life has devolved into.

 

The chemical pathways into consciousness are pathways into deeper understanding of life than just hitting the production lines for 8 hours and collecting your pay check. 

[Mallette]

The company was bought out, immediate drug test. He was fired for pot, starting drinking, wrecked his family life.

 

How could that happen?  The evil here is not with him, but with those sorry POS individuals who poke into things that are not their business.  I was a manager for decades and I have always maintained that if management can't tell when someone is impaired you need better managers.

 

That's just another story of the oppression in this country thanks to the DEA and our courts.

 

Dave