Sometimes the joke's on you

[Zen Traveler]

Funny thing about it was I actually had better conversations with Mark when he was Joesteph whatever than when he was Mark

 

 

Whoever he was it was weird he came back......

[Jim]

 

Funny thing about it was I actually had better conversations with Mark when he was Joesteph whatever than when he was Mark

 

 

Whoever he was it was weird he came back......

 

 

I never knew he left in the 1st place, and didn't know it was him until 2/3 of the way through that whole thread.

 

And here I was sticking up for someone I didn't like,lol.

 

Granted I went by what was posted here, not knowing about the behind the closed door issues, but my posting was geared more towards more than one individual that has been booted/bashed including myself. I just feel if there's an issue it should be taken to PM and if a member has an issue with another member they should PM a moderator, or someone directly at Klipsch. We don't need to see all the posts about someone getting their panties in a bunch.

 

That was why I also said I was getting bored with the forum, not enough posts on electronics or acoustics or speakers anymore. I came here to learn as much as possible, not read soap operas. Now having said that,I'm also a hypocrite as I've replied to said posts and have acted as an enabler. But my main objective with this forum is to learn.

[jimjimbo]

but what was the purpose of Jimjimbos post in the 1st place

 

Well, guess what.  The purpose of my post was to call him out.  Plain and simple.  And he wasn't fully found out until several days afterward.  He was/is a baiting, trolling instigator with the seemingly singular purpose of pissing off everyone he could.  Why?  What's the point?  Why come to (return to) a well established, long running audio forum just to argue and make people mad?  When he initially left here months ago, I think it was a pretty foregone conclusion that he had very, very few friends and followers here.  So why come back to stir up shit again?  Because as intelligent as he might want you to believe, he is obviously extremely insecure and childish.  That's all.  

 

Now, regarding your hilarious, tasteless video, and your comment of:  The difference between you and me is I can laugh at myself as well as things going on and the humor in this video is more of a mockery of how tight everyone's asses are. 

 

I'm not a survivalist or an alarmist or walk around with a wacky paranoid edge.....I'm a normal person (mostly), who wants my family to be safe and happy....However....In my view, people in this country have every right to be uptight and extremely cautious.  Yet you call that a mockery....I guess you think it's a mockery that we are checked so closely at airports/transportation hubs and major buildings and events.  I don't think you have a firm grasp of the very tenuous security situation in this country, and in other countries.  There are thousands of people out there that want to kill us, regardless of whether it's man, woman, child, military, tourists, innocent people....they don't care.  They just want to kill.  Believe me, I wish this were not the case.  But that is the reality that we live in......The next time a backpack bomb goes off in a crowded train station, airport, bus terminal, football game, marathon race....I want you to think about that video, and remember just how funny you thought it was.

[Fjd]

 

 

Funny thing about it was I actually had better conversations with Mark when he was Joesteph whatever than when he was Mark

 

 

Whoever he was it was weird he came back......

 

 

I never knew he left in the 1st place, and didn't know it was him until 2/3 of the way through that whole thread.

 

And here I was sticking up for someone I didn't like,lol.

 

Granted I went by what was posted here, not knowing about the behind the closed door issues, but my posting was geared more towards more than one individual that has been booted/bashed including myself. I just feel if there's an issue it should be taken to PM and if a member has an issue with another member they should PM a moderator, or someone directly at Klipsch. We don't need to see all the posts about someone getting their panties in a bunch.

 

That was why I also said I was getting bored with the forum, not enough posts on electronics or acoustics or speakers anymore. I came here to learn as much as possible, not read soap operas. Now having said that,I'm also a hypocrite as I've replied to said posts and have acted as an enabler. But my main objective with this forum is to learn.

 

 

 

 

Maybe the time away had given him time to reflect and he was trying to adjust in how he interacted with people?  Of course, the student loan thread provided many strong views on why people cannot be rehabilitated.

 

Same with the other one you mentioned in that the posts appeared to be significantly toned down from the first round on the forum.  Of course, none of that was acknowledged at all and sure didn’t stop the predators that felt the need to shoot out of the gate like a hungry lion chasing down the slowest gazelle to eat as a morning snack.

 

I mentioned the “Mexican standoff” on the first page.  It seems that in many of the posts I read people are creating a “no win” situation much like a Mexican standoff by  appearing to go out of their way to make something personal with another and do not stick to the issue being discussed.   

 

Oh, is Mexican standoff politically correct to say anymore?  I don’t know, but I also tend to believe that people misinterpret what being political correct was originally about.  We can’t all stand around being afraid to say anything for fear of saying the wrong thing; and only stand around hold hands singing cumbaya. 

 

When you have a diverse group of people standing around afraid of saying the wrong thing, it only kills the collaboration needed to develop the synergy that sparks the creativity that can be drawn out of the group. I don’t think anyone can find that approach to be satisfying or productive. 

 

Are we afraid to admit that conflict is a fact of life and a part of human nature?  We can find conflict at home, we can find conflict at work; and we sure as hell can find an overdose of petty, dysfunctional conflict on internet forums.

 

There you have it, heated arguments are a typical part of life and a person should have enough composure to not let things get out of hand, but they do anyway for whatever reason. 

 

When I was working with our forensic teams that spent a portion of time in my group, I would start with ten people with diverse backgrounds and I get ten conflicting viewpoints, that's life.  However, to keep them productive and focused on the issues and understanding how to recognize key evidence, they all knew conflict and disagreement was fine, but they also damn well understand to put personal bias aside and attack the problem, not the person.  Attacking the person would be shut down quick.

 

What a dog eat dog world we live in…….

[Fjd]

 

What a dog eat dog world we live in…….

 

 

 

Forgot about Ted...

 

 

[Jim]

 

but what was the purpose of Jimjimbos post in the 1st place

 

Well, guess what.  The purpose of my post was to call him out.  Plain and simple.  And he wasn't fully found out until several days afterward.  He was/is a baiting, trolling instigator with the seemingly singular purpose of pissing off everyone he could.  Why?  What's the point?  Why come to (return to) a well established, long running audio forum just to argue and make people mad?  When he initially left here months ago, I think it was a pretty foregone conclusion that he had very, very few friends and followers here.  So why come back to stir up shit again?  Because as intelligent as he might want you to believe, he is obviously extremely insecure and childish.  That's all.  

 

Now, regarding your hilarious, tasteless video, and your comment of:  The difference between you and me is I can laugh at myself as well as things going on and the humor in this video is more of a mockery of how tight everyone's asses are. 

 

I'm not a survivalist or an alarmist or walk around with a wacky paranoid edge.....I'm a normal person (mostly), who wants my family to be safe and happy....However....In my view, people in this country have every right to be uptight and extremely cautious.  Yet you call that a mockery....I guess you think it's a mockery that we are checked so closely at airports/transportation hubs and major buildings and events.  I don't think you have a firm grasp of the very tenuous security situation in this country, and in other countries.  There are thousands of people out there that want to kill us, regardless of whether it's man, woman, child, military, tourists, innocent people....they don't care.  They just want to kill.  Believe me, I wish this were not the case.  But that is the reality that we live in......The next time a backpack bomb goes off in a crowded train station, airport, bus terminal, football game, marathon race....I want you to think about that video, and remember just how funny you thought it was.

 

 

Jim,I live about 15 minutes from Newark airport, so I know all about what the security situation in this country is about. I fly out of there, JFK, and LaGuardia, and every time I fly I get pulled out of line and searched. I also stated above I am constantly called a racist as I am very opinionated on my views about how illegals are coming into this country the way they are, and how as a country we have come to bow down to Muslims and make it seem as if we are Catholic or Christian, we are made to feel bad about it. I am in the same boat as you when it comes to wanting things to be safe,especially for my 4 kids that are 15 (triplets) and 11. I am the 1st one to look at any Muslim in garb funny and wonder what they are thinking. I was one of the few who said Trump was right when he said Muslim's were cheering when the towers came down, and you know why? Because I lived in the same town of Jersey City and worked in towns like Paterson,NJ where this was happening.And it pissed me off to no end how the news outlets said he made it up, and you had these POS politicians spewing the same BS to cowtow to the people they wanted to re-elecet them. I am far from being an extreme left winged Liberal, and also think our schools systems are a mockery. I am also not extreme right winged either.

 

As for me where I live, I am constantly looked at funny by "minorities" as they think I'm a skinhead and racist. So I know what it's like to be looked at funny and have issues. I do however walk around more paranoid than someone in Ohio, or Utah as those states are not targeted as NY/NJ or any other east coast large populated state will be. And that's because of what I have seen or been involved with.

 

As for Mark, I agree on most of what has been said following things, but at the same time think on any member issues it should be kept away from everyone else. If I have an issue with someone I will email them privately.

 

I am not here to troll anyone or cause any issues with anyone either. If the video offends you, it wasn't put up with the intention of offending anyone, it was put up to give a moment of laughter. Some of us have different senses of humor than others. But don't think if something were left on a street by someone I'd just sit there. I'd do the opposite and chase them down making sure to beat the crap out of them and then ask questions afterwards. That's just me and how I do things.

[mike stehr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljjRZe6g5EM

Edited February 27, 2016 by mike stehr

[Fjd]

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljjRZe6g5EM

 

 

Nice, Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction was another good one too.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, might as well get the granddaddy of Mexican standoffs out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited February 27, 2016 by Fjd

[mike stehr]

Of course, might as well get the granddaddy of Mexican standoffs out there.

 

Classic!

[Zen Traveler]

I was one of the few who said Trump was right when he said Muslim's were cheering when the towers came down, and you know why? Because I lived in the same town of Jersey City and worked in towns like Paterson,NJ where this was happening.And it pissed me off to no end how the news outlets said he made it up, and you had these POS politicians spewing the same BS to cowtow to the people they wanted to re-elecet them. I am far from being an extreme left winged Liberal, and also think our schools systems are a mockery. I am also not extreme right winged either.

 

I'm sorry Jim but your views seem totally Right-wing and although you say you saw Muslims by the thousands cheering in Jersey City like Trump,  the difference is he saw it on TV and blaming the Media on this one without finding the footage the Donald saw seems off base to me....

 

Of course, this is political discourse and as much as I like to engage the rules seem to frown upon it so I will leave it there.

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

But don't think if something were left on a street by someone I'd just sit there. I'd do the opposite and chase them down making sure to beat the crap out of them and then ask questions afterwards. That's just me and how I do things.

 

Btw, if I saw "Muslims celebrating in the streets"  after 9/11 I feel you and I would act accordingly in this regard--For the record, I didn't;t see any here or on TV happening in the USA.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Zen Traveler

[Jim]

 

I was one of the few who said Trump was right when he said Muslim's were cheering when the towers came down, and you know why? Because I lived in the same town of Jersey City and worked in towns like Paterson,NJ where this was happening.And it pissed me off to no end how the news outlets said he made it up, and you had these POS politicians spewing the same BS to cowtow to the people they wanted to re-elecet them. I am far from being an extreme left winged Liberal, and also think our schools systems are a mockery. I am also not extreme right winged either.

 

I'm sorry Jim but your views seem totally Right-wing and although you say you saw Muslims by the thousands cheering in Jersey City like Trump,  the difference is he saw it on TV and blaming the Media on this one without finding the footage the Donald saw seems off base to me....

 

Of course, this is political discourse and as much as I like to engage the rules seem to frown upon it so I will leave it there.

 

 

My views may lean more towards the right, but I am not a radical. I believe that the radicals on both sides are what's the biggest issue with today. Especially when both sides have no clue on anything when questioned. My stance is live and let live, don't force your belief system on anyone,and help your fellow man. It's that simple. I also believe you should work for a living and not sit on your rear end for handouts,and anyone doing that should be taken off of assistance. I believe they should be drug tested as I had to be in order to work, and they should have governmental programs for higher education in different schools. Not college, but trade schools. If those people refuse to go to school, they get taken off of assistance.Give them 2-4 years of assistance and schooling before they come off of it,after they find work.If a family has 2 members working and still can't pay their bills, then they should be able to get some type of assistance. I don't believe a burger flipper deserves $15.00 and hour,especially when an EMT worker makes less and has to go through training,and especially since our armed forces members get screwed even worse.I also think illegal immigrants are just that,here illegally and need to go through the proper channels, just like every other denomination had to in prior years.They shouldn't be given the handouts they are getting when they are taking money from people like you and me who have funded these funds. I think both sides should be held accountable for raiding all the funds they have and every single one of them prosecuted.If people minded their business and just went about their business,things wouldn't be where they are today. I don't need someone who is gay forcing down my throat they are gay, just like I don't force down their throat I am not. I am one not to turn my back on someone who needs help, and have never done that. I have helped homeless people out, given money and food, and do a toy drive, clothing drive, food drive,and donate my time to needy kids every year because I want to,not to make myself seem better than someone else. So in my opinion I don't see myself leaning far towards either side,maybe more to the right because I think I should keep what I work for,but not to the radical end of it. I do however stand ground on my convictions when push comes to shove and will voice that if needed.

 

I posted a reply on a thread the other day when I said something along the lines of  what we need is to have children run things. And the reason is because they are color blind, they don't see differences in other children, they are equal in each others eyes.They have compassion to help each other and don't look for anything in return.The racism or thought process of leaning to one side or the other comes from us,the adults. We are the ones who teach them this.

 

  Also, I never said I saw thousands in the streets. I did see numerous in the streets though, but did not stop to take up a count. Funny thing about this is, is when people came forward saying they saw it, the media all of a sudden squashed the story.

[Zen Traveler]

Maybe the time away had given him time to reflect and he was trying to adjust in how he interacted with people? Of course, the student loan thread provided many strong views on why people cannot be rehabilitated. Same with the other one you mentioned in that the posts appeared to be significantly toned down from the first round on the forum. Of course, none of that was acknowledged at all and sure didn’t stop the predators that felt the need to shoot out of the gate like a hungry lion chasing down the slowest gazelle to eat as a morning snack.

 

Hmm...Must have missed that thread but as always you give us good things to think about....Insofar as giving Master/Lord/Mister whatshisname pause on how he reacts with people---I feel I know him well enough to say that didn't happen and he had ulterior motives. Nothing sinister but he just couldn't stay away because he misses the confrontation and I agree those seemingly annoyed by his delivery weren't going to fare well debating him unless they had a lot of time on their hands. 

 

That's my take.

[Jim]

 

Maybe the time away had given him time to reflect and he was trying to adjust in how he interacted with people? Of course, the student loan thread provided many strong views on why people cannot be rehabilitated. Same with the other one you mentioned in that the posts appeared to be significantly toned down from the first round on the forum. Of course, none of that was acknowledged at all and sure didn’t stop the predators that felt the need to shoot out of the gate like a hungry lion chasing down the slowest gazelle to eat as a morning snack.

 

Hmm...Must have missed that thread but as always you give us good things to think about....Insofar as giving Master/Lord/Mister whatshisname pause on how he reacts with people---I feel I know him well enough to say that didn't happen and he had ulterior motives. Nothing sinister but he just couldn't stay away because he misses the confrontation and I agree those seemingly annoyed by his delivery weren't going to fare well debating him unless they had a lot of time on their hands. 

 

That's my take.

 

 

I wasn't in that many debates with him, but your response to me is spot on. He definitely seemed to revel in confrontation more, and your take on needing the time and effort seems accurate. From what I can remember about his posts.

 

As for being annoyed, once you can take a step back and see where his delivery is coming from, it makes it easier to answer. Easier said than done for me at many many times.

[Zen Traveler]

I do however stand ground on my convictions when push comes to shove and will voice that if needed..... Also, I never said I saw thousands in the streets. I did see numerous in the streets though, but did not stop to take up a count. Funny thing about this is, is when people came forward saying they saw it, the media all of a sudden squashed the story.

 

I also like to voice my opinion and you gave a lot to consider that I could respond but it all would be political rebuttal that I also feel important to convey but know where these discussions end given the rules of this Forum....

 

I also like to blame the media but if Donald saw what you saw on TV (Like he said) then there should be documentation of it...If none is found, I contend he is misremembering something especially since Governor Christy said it didn't happen. {Notice I didn't use the word "lie" and am giving him the benefit of the doubt.}

Edited February 27, 2016 by Zen Traveler

[Jim]

 

I do however stand ground on my convictions when push comes to shove and will voice that if needed..... Also, I never said I saw thousands in the streets. I did see numerous in the streets though, but did not stop to take up a count. Funny thing about this is, is when people came forward saying they saw it, the media all of a sudden squashed the story.

 

I also like to voice my opinion and you gave a lot to consider that I could respond but it all would be political rebuttal that I also feel important to convey but know where these discussions end given the rules of this Forum....I also like to blame the media but if Donald saw what you saw on TV (Like he said) then there should be documentation of it...If none is found, I contend he is misremembering something especially since Governor Christy said it didn't happen. {Notice I didn't use the word "lie" and am giving him the benefit of the doubt.}

 

 

There were actually videos on the news stations here. I could look online for them, but they did post them showing them on roofs all  around Jersey City dancing and parading, they also showed them in Journal Square doing the same and the police had to "protect" them. Brooklyn, Queens,and a few other NYC areas also said they were doing it. But again that stuff was squashed by the media.

 

Christy saying it didn't happen was to cover his rear end from negative feedback from potential voters.

 

I agree on Trump not speaking up saying he personally saw it,then changing it to seeing it on TV. But it did happen.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Jim

[Zen Traveler]

I wasn't in that many debates with him, but your response to me is spot on. He definitely seemed to revel in confrontation more, and your take on needing the time and effort seems accurate. From what I can remember about his posts.

 

Honestly, when you consider exchanges with him it does give credence on Klipsch's stance on not allowing political discussions on the main forum....Someone mentioned the car wreck analogy before and honestly I think those conversations/debates are important, but once started hard to stop/hard to keep away from and someone's feelings will be hurt....Look at all of the people who complain and don't realize the secret is not to click on those threads.  Then again, once engaged it is addicting.

[Zen Traveler]

There were actually videos on the news stations here. I could look online for them, but they did post them showing them on roofs all around Jersey City dancing and parading, they also showed them in Journal Square doing the same and the police had to "protect" them. Brooklyn, Queens,and a few other NYC areas also said they were doing it. But again that stuff was squashed by the media.

 

Again, not to keep hammering away at this, but if there were videos they haven't surfaced on the internet, afaik.  Otoh, I imagine the police did have to protect some Muslims, but I find it hard to believe it was to allow them their celebration.

[Jim]

 

I wasn't in that many debates with him, but your response to me is spot on. He definitely seemed to revel in confrontation more, and your take on needing the time and effort seems accurate. From what I can remember about his posts.

 

Honestly, when you consider exchanges with him it does give credence on Klipsch's stance on not allowing political discussions on the main forum....Someone mentioned the car wreck analogy before and honestly I think those conversations/debates are important, but once started hard to stop/hard to keep away from and someone's feelings will be hurt....Look at all of the people who complain and don't realize the secret is not to click on those threads.  Then again, once engaged it is addicting.

 

 

Spot On. We are all guilty of this.

[twistedcrankcammer]

My take on Mark is far different.

 

I have long believed that he doesn't even believe over half the BS he would start.

 

a perfect example of this was the thread about kitchen knives where he said he did everything with a bread knife, then later, he said he was joking about that.

 

Mark had stated before that he liked to study human nature.

 

I have long believed that he liked to stir the pot precisely and intelligently as if he were changing the maze to see where he could direct the mice.

 

That is my honest, long held belief.

 

And Jim, Mark had over 29,000 posts.

 

95-99% of those existed in a forum that you never new existed, nor were you even able to see it.

 

He would come out on the main forum rarely when he was board and since nobody but those invited could ever see what was posted there, it was largely left unmediated. You only have a very tiny window available to you to understand what he was about.

 

roger

Edited February 27, 2016 by twistedcrankcammer

[Jim]

My take on Mark is far different.

 

I have long believed that he doesn't even believe over half the BS he would start.

 

a perfect example of this was the thread about kitchen knives where he said he did everything with a bread knife, then later, he said he was joking about that.

 

Mark had stated before that he liked to study human nature.

 

I have long believed that he liked to stir the pot precisely and intelligently as if he were changing the maze to see where he could direct the mice.

 

That is my honest, long held belief.

 

And Jim, Mark had over 29,000 posts.

 

95-99% of those existed in a forum that you never new existed, nor were you even able to see it.

 

He would come out on the main forum rarely when he was board and since nobody but those invited could ever see what was posted there, it was largely left unmediated. You only have a very tiny window available to you to understand what he was about.

 

roger

 

Roger,

 

I could see that happening from the limited posts I've seen him make. But my whole argument was and has been that for those that could see what he posted, is that we all could choose not to feed into his BS. And my statement that he should have been able to come back under MARK was based on what I was able to see,and that alone.My initial responses back at him were as venomous as his were towards me, until I saw what he was doing,then In just laughed at him.Unless he was threatening physical attack on someone to me it's just words. Again, I didn't see what went on behind closed doors, and used his name as an example as it was there.If he got Klipsch legal involved then that's when he becomes a cancer to the forum and then he should be banned.

 

I also used Jason xxxJPMxxx,the _sloth as another example as he didn't come on lurking to just attack people. His posts were directed at questioning how stuff was built, however wrong it rubbed some of those builders. Maybe it wasn't the smoothest way, but for people who aren't educated enough in tubes, some of those questions were legit. Could he have worded them different? Possibly. I didn't agree on him saying what he said about a members daughter, but I think that was said in a smart *** remark not knowing the age of the daughter. Could he have known? Possibly, but I don't think he did. I could be wrong. He did seem to be more helpful than trouble as he was one of the few who did take the time to answer questions.Did he instigate with Jimjimbo? Possibly, but unless we all know what went on behind closed doors or PM's none of us can be 100% sure . He was in my opinion fighting back and doing something most of us do, acting as a smart *** and being snarky. Do I think he should have been banned over it,or his messages in private PM's to other members or moderators? No. If 2 people are PM'ing each other,it's none of our business. If it spills over into the forum then it should be addressed with both members.

 

Carl made a very good analogy on school kids in this thread, and I would add that on my end with my own kids, if one has an issue with the other,even if I know who did the instigating,I tell both to cut the BS. Then I take them both aside in private and explain how I feel about the situation and will let each one know how I feel their part in the situation was wrong. But I make sure I tell them in front of each other to cut it out without taking any sides.

 

That's ultimately what I was trying to portray with my comments. Reprimand both parties equally, and then address each one individually in PM.