RIP Prince

[Mighty Favog]

 

What I see in my business (court reporting), lawyers are hired to get you out of the jam you're in. Occasionally, justice has something to do with it. Also, lawyers will hire doctors to give expert testimony for their client's position. But that usually doesn't happen until shortly before trial.

While that may be what you experience in your occupation there are any number of other reasons one may decide to hire an attorney.

The advice of attorney may be sought for anything from wills, formation of a corporation, divorce and real estate transactions, just to name a few. None of which have anything to do with "getting you you out of the jam you are in."

To state "lawyers are hired to get you out of the jam you are in.", is not an accurate assessment of the many services an attorney can provide.

 

 

When it comes time that a court reporter is needed (in or out of the courtroom - Rules of Civil Procedure: Rule 30 and sometimes Rule 56), yes, somebody is in a jam. With the exception of probate until it gets contested for civil litigation. Been there, done that for the last 18-years.

Edited April 29, 2016 by Mighty Favog

[dtel's wife]

What I see in my business (court reporting), lawyers are hired to get you out of the jam you're in. Occasionally, justice has something to do with it. Also, lawyers will hire doctors to give expert testimony for their client's position. But that usually doesn't happen until shortly before trial.

While that may be what you experience in your occupation there are any number of other reasons one may decide to hire an attorney.

The advice of attorney may be sought for anything from wills, formation of a corporation, divorce and real estate transactions, just to name a few. None of which have anything to do with "getting you you out of the jam you are in."

To state "lawyers are hired to get you out of the jam you are in.", is not an accurate assessment of the many services an attorney can provide.

 

When it comes time that a court reporter is needed (in or out of the courtroom - Rules of Civil Procedure: Rule 30 and sometimes Rule 56), yes, somebody is in a jam. With the exception of probate and it gets contested for civil litigation. Been there, done that for the last 18-years.

My comment probably needs some clarification. I don't doubt that once a court reporter is necessary someone is in a jam.

My contention remains. There are many instances where attorneys offer valuable services without court intervention and in most of those instances it isn't to get someone out of a jam.

[Mighty Favog]

 

 

 

What I see in my business (court reporting), lawyers are hired to get you out of the jam you're in. Occasionally, justice has something to do with it. Also, lawyers will hire doctors to give expert testimony for their client's position. But that usually doesn't happen until shortly before trial.

While that may be what you experience in your occupation there are any number of other reasons one may decide to hire an attorney.

The advice of attorney may be sought for anything from wills, formation of a corporation, divorce and real estate transactions, just to name a few. None of which have anything to do with "getting you you out of the jam you are in."

To state "lawyers are hired to get you out of the jam you are in.", is not an accurate assessment of the many services an attorney can provide.

 

When it comes time that a court reporter is needed (in or out of the courtroom - Rules of Civil Procedure: Rule 30 and sometimes Rule 56), yes, somebody is in a jam. With the exception of probate and it gets contested for civil litigation. Been there, done that for the last 18-years.

My comment probably needs some clarification. I don't doubt that once a court reporter is necessary someone is in a jam.

My contention remains. There are many instances where attorneys offer valuable services without court intervention and in most of those instances it isn't to get someone out of a jam.

 

 

That is true. I've seen quite a few attorneys that practiced civil/criminal litigation that were getting up there in years change practices to something a lot less stressful such as probate, land contracts, etc. Shoot, if I ever stop doing the job I'm in, I'll probably still keep both of my notary commissions just for the halibut.

[Marvel]

A doctor or a lawyer is generally consulted/hired for their professional opinion. Why would you not follow their advice?

 

Because it is still your life and your decision. Doctors and lawyers also make mistakes and don't always give the best advice. My late wife and I visited three different doctors and facilities before we made a choice on who to work with. Turned out to be the best choice ever, regardless of the outcome.

 

I have spent the last 30 years with the same GP, and he a I have discussed many times the over prescribing or use of pharmaceuticals to resolve medical issues. My cholesterol levels are borderline high, and orver the past year actually dropped, because of a diet change. He still called to recommend that I start taking a statin. I have called three times to talk with him and NEVER received a call back to discuss it, and as of today, haven't received a copy of the recent blood workup to see what my numbers are now.

 

Considering I have had three relatives who were diabetic (father, uncle and grandmother), I'm not about to start taking a statin when everyone I know who followed this road is now on diabetes meds. And he knows the family history. Do I sound pissed? 

 

My point is, no matter how much they know about you, they often don't know enough to make the best decision or give the best advice.

 

/rant OFF

 

Bruce

Edited April 29, 2016 by Marvel

[Mighty Favog]

I hear ya' Bruce. I've been Type I Diabetic for over 20-years and I'm self medicating. Very shortly after the initial diagnosis I was on the fence, but no more, weather my doctor du-jour was in it for themselves or for me (witnessed after every one of them started salivating of the fact that I'm IDDM).

Edited April 29, 2016 by Mighty Favog

[Travis In Austin]

This unfortunately has Heroin written all over it.

Prince was notoriously straight edge his whole life. I heard on an interview that he was suffering from arthritis, and the implication was that he had indeed started taking opiates, and as anyone who has used such for pain management knows the risks involved. All conjecture at this point, but I don't think it necessarily means heroin or that he did the Charlie Parker thing. That was never his style, ever.

Apparently his ex drug dealer came forward and explained everything. Supposedly he has been addicted to pills for the past 25 years, paid $40,000 for a 6 month supply of Dilaudid pills at a time. Supposedly didn't want to get into all the after-effects of heroin, which is why nobody ever saw him shoot up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

Surprising if true: Dilaudid is more commonly known as hydromorphone which should not be combined with fentanyl long term.

Also it's being reported now that he was diagnosed with AIDS six months ago but refused medication.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3562640/Prince-diagnosed-AIDs-six-months-died-refused-treatment-believed-God-heal-him.html

I am unsure as to how trustworthy that source is especially since they're quoting anonymous sources.

Also if true, it is interesting to see he also refused all conventional medical treatment.

No matter your religion; God helps those who help themselves.

You are back to that again? He obviously didn't refuse all medical treatment if he was picking up prescriptions at Walgreens in the days before his death.

If, a big if, he was diagnosed with HIV, he wasn't refusing medical treatment when he went in to see a doctor who sent his blood off to be tested, and went back, presumably for results and then declining the AZT type meds.

Most opiate addicts I am aware of avoid medical treatment if they are self medicating. Either to avoid detection.

I think there is a major difference between avoidance and refusal.

However, I think the facts on what doctors he was seeing, or refusing to see, will all be coming out in the coming weeks.

Did you actually read the article? This part is particularly helpful in understanding what is being reported: Prince 'was diagnosed with AIDS six months before he died and refused treatment because he believed God would heal him'.

There is a significant difference between diagnosis and treatment. At the end of the diagnosis, the prognosis is determined. If this article is factual, he reportedly refused medical treatment. No effective physician will allow a patient to pick and choose what treatment they will accept and what they wont.

People who don't believe in medical treatment don't go in for a dx, they skip it all together, otherwise what's the point.

Farah Fawcett had a dx of colon cancet but refused the typical tx in the US because she didn't want to lose her hair. Ultimately she relented and started the typical treatment at UCLA after some European alternatives. Unfortunately it was too late.

People ignore medical advice all the time, for a myriad of reasons. Someone who goes to a doctor to a doctor to get RXs doesn't seem the type to refuse "all" medical tx.

[Wolfbane]

SNIP:

 

"People ignore medical advice all the time, for a myriad of reasons. Someone who goes to a doctor to a doctor to get RXs doesn't seem the type to refuse "all" medical tx. "

 

Keeping this in proper context here (i.e. how Prince died and what Prince reportedly did). He either got or sought a diagnosis and upon getting it he refused 'all necessary' treatment. The reported reason in the article referred to above was his personal religious belief's. 

 

***I have no issue with that at all.***

 

His life, his hands. Once you reach an age, where in the eye's of the state you can make a cogent decision, you do exactly that.

[Travis In Austin]

Assuming he really was really HIV positive, I haven't seen any confirmation of that yet. May be true. Magic stopped taking HIV medicine for a time becauae he convinced himself that he was "cured". I will wait on the autopsy to see what they say on that, T cell count, etc.

Prince had hip replacement surgery in 2010. I have seen confirmation of that and is being reported by CBS. That will be confirmed by autopsy as well.

[JL Sargent]

There's so much stuff flying around right now.

 

This week, Michael Padden, an attorney for Prince’s siblings told the Star Tribune that Prince had “substantial” problems with opioid painkiller Percocet and cocaine for at least a decade.

[Travis In Austin]

There's so much stuff flying around right now.

This week, Michael Padden, an attorney for Prince’s siblings told the Star Tribune that Prince had “substantial” problems with opioid painkiller Percocet and cocaine for at least a decade.

JL I think you have nailed it, stuff flying around. The entertainment news media are going to be able to grab and publish "stories" up until the day the autopsy and toxicology results are released.

Now, anybody can say pretty much whatever they want to say about him if they had access to him. Some of these "news" outlets pay for stories. More mainstream news media have strict policies on paying for stories.

Once the autopsy is released (assuming it is doesn't end up inconclusive) will make many of these stories worthless if they don't match with the facts.

The attorney was relating information that was told to him by clients ten years ago, both of whom are deceased. He sued Prince on behalf of one of them when Prince fired them from the band. I think the term for that is a "disgruntled former employee."

I think that most people are looking at these preliminary reports with a cautious and cynical eye.

Here is quote I saw, how reliable is this?

"Padden has filed several lawsuits against Prince in the past, including one in which he represented Duane Nelson against Prince after Duane was fired by the musician.

Padden has spoken with the police about the allegations of Prince’s drug use, according to the Star Tribune.

“All I can tell you is that his sister independently corroborated every single thing Duane said to me,” Padden told the newspaper. “It wasn’t like I was proactive seeking information.”

Prince’s final official cause of death likely won’t be made public for weeks as authorities wait for reports from the medical examiner and toxicology results."

Edited April 30, 2016 by dwilawyer

[dtel's wife]

Is Padden's representation of the siblings a conflict of interest?

[Travis In Austin]

Is Padden's representation of the siblings a conflict of interest?

No, their both dead. They were half-siblings from a previous marriage.

The headlines sure make it sound like he is currently representing "siblings" though doesn't it. That's the problem with some of these stories, if you don't read between the lines or scratch the surface, you get misled.

[Travis In Austin]

"In 1997, Nelson wound up in Hennepin County Jail after an altercation with process servers and neighbors. His sister, Lorna Nelson, who died in 2006, wanted Prince to bail Duane out of jail. Duane called me from jail and said, "Please, if you could get me out of here tomorrow, then I could think again."

Around the time of this brush with the law, Duane told me a restraining order had been filed against him by Prince. After Prince reportedly fired Duane from Paisley Park, they had a very rocky relationship and, I know from phone calls with Duane and running into him downtown many years ago, he appeared to have fallen on hard times."

Filing a protective order against someone who was allegedly furnishing you with Perocet doesn't appear to jive.

[Travis In Austin]

From another site:

Lorna Nelson

Lorna Nelson, Prince's half-sister, passed away at the age of 63 in 2006. In 1989, she was part of a lawsuit against Prince, Duane, and her father. She claimed that "U Got the Look" infringed on her own copyrighted song, "What's Cooking in This Book." She also requested her share of compensation for lyrics she co-authored with John. The case was dismissed, according to Justia. When Sharon put together her album, she included music from her dad, John, and her sister, Lorne. You can see a photo of Lorne on Sharon's MySpace page here. (MySpace/Sharon Nelson)"

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/873/1141/432403/

Padden wasn't involved in that lawsuit, which was Lorna against Prince and Duane. So I don't believe he would have a conflict representing both Duane and Lorna against Prince in other lawsuits as long as their interests were aligned. It is difficult to say without knowing what the lawsuits were about.

Edited April 30, 2016 by dwilawyer

[Travis In Austin]

It is just beginning, this will go on for quite awhile.

PRINCE

Judge orders Bremer Trust to handle Prince's estate

By EMMA NELSON , STAR TRIBUNE

April 27, 2016 - 5:47 PM

Following an emergency conference call Wednesday morning, a Carver County district judge ordered that a special administrator be appointed to manage the estate of the late musician Prince.

Bremer Trust, National Association — an affiliate of the bank that provided financial services to Prince while he was alive — will serve as special administrator. The order from District Judge Kevin Eide came a day after Prince’s sister, Tyka Nelson, filed a motion to have a special administrator appointed to gather and protect the musician’s assets.

The document indicated that Prince, who died April 21 at age 57, does not have a will.

According to court documents, the matter “was heard informally via conference call on an emergency basis” because not all interested parties could be notified of the motion. Tyka Nelson and her attorneys were present for the call, as was Prince’s half-brother, Omarr Baker. Attorneys and staff from Bremer Trust also participated.

In addition to Tyka Nelson and Baker, Prince’s half-siblings John Nelson, Norrine Nelson, Sharon Nelson, Alfred Jackson and Lorna Nelson — who died in 2006 — were listed as heirs in Tuesday’s motion.

The special administrator has the authority to manage and supervise Prince’s assets and determine the identity of any heirs. The appointment will last up to six months, or until another petition is filed to administer the estate and a personal representative is appointed.

A hearing on the matter is scheduled for 8:30 a.m. May 2 in Carver County District Court.

Meanwhile, the first challenge to Prince’s estate was filed in Carver County Wednesday afternoon by Rodney Herachio Dixon, of Murrieta, Calif. Dixon, formerly known as Aeric Alexander Mercury and Rameses America Mercury claims to have legal rights to all of Prince’s intellectual property because of what he called a $1 billion “implied agreement” relating to the music in Prince’s music catalog, including unpublished works in his vault.

Dixon, who represents himself, said in his filing that his claim originates from two lawsuits filed in California in the mid 1990s.

[Ceptorman]

The vultures are moving in….there's 300 million on the line.

[Jeff Penley]

I went to the theater and seen purple rain, I thought it was a great movie. But the fact is I had an awesome girlfriend at the time and anything we did was great. RIP Prince.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Jeff Penley

[JL Sargent]

I had an awesome girlfriend at the time and anything we did was great.

 

OH BOY!

[Jeff Penley]

I had an awesome girlfriend at the time and anything we did was great.

OH BOY!

Lol [emoji41]

[Wolfbane]

 

 

I had an awesome girlfriend at the time and anything we did was great.

OH BOY!

Lol [emoji41]

 

 

Maybe she'd felt differently? It happens.