soundbound Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I’m soon building new top cabinets for my Klipschorns. Is it worth front mounting the mid K400 metal horn? Klipsch front mounts their new Klipschorn tweeter horns. Why don’t they front mount their new mid horns too? Has anyone front mounted the K400 and if so any good or bad results from doing so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlthess40 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I think it has some to do with time alignment and visual aesthetics, and the time alignment is a part of the crossover system of how it’s designed and built. That’s just my uneducated guess. LolSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 hours ago, soundbound said: I’m soon building new top cabinets for my Klipschorns. Is it worth front mounting the mid K400 metal horn? Klipsch front mounts their new Klipschorn tweeter horns. Why don’t they front mount their new mid horns too? Has anyone front mounted the K400 and if so any good or bad results from doing so? you should have said ---flush mounting --------not front mounting - 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codewritinfool Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Flush mounting the 400 is do-able, but maybe not so attractive. As far as time-alignment, it would be roughly 3/4” shorter path; not so much of an impact, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 It would make it a longer path for the mids if you moved it forward. I front mounted my k400 horns on my la scalas. I will rout a piece for the front that will make them look flush. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codewritinfool Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 It would make it a longer path for the mids if you moved it forward. I front mounted my k400 horns on my la scalas. I will rout a piece for the front that will make them look flush. Ok, so sometimes I identify as stupid, but how does mounting the horn mouth to the front instead of the rear make the path LONGER? It just got more than 3/4” closer to your ear. Seems like a shorter path to me????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 And 3/4 inch further in front of the woofer... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I'd leave the mounting as it is. As you said, they didn't change this when they had a chance last year with the AK6, so there may be a reason. Maybe secure mounting, pressed against the baffle board over the whole perimeter, may keep the horn from ringing. So it could be important! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Marvel said: It would make it a longer path for the mids if you moved it forward. I front mounted my k400 horns on my la scalas. I will rout a piece for the front that will make them look flush. flush mounting a k400 really looks good without a grille , on a LaScala --- but on a Khorn , you can't see it behind the grille - 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundbound Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 I’m making the grills removable. I was mainly wondering if there would be a sound improvement as there is with the tweeters being flush mounted. Thank you all for your comments and more are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundbound Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Marvel said: I front mounted my k400 horns on my la scalas. I will rout a piece for the front that will make them look flush. I’ve been considering doing this to my Klipschorns with this project. Front mounting them, then a veneered piece around the tweeter and mid horns to make them look flush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 hours ago, soundbound said: I’ve been considering doing this to my Klipschorns with this project. Front mounting them, then a veneered piece around the tweeter and mid horns to make them look flush. Flush mounting them would increase the time alignment problem with the horns between midrange and Bass cabinets ever so slightly. Roger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Roger that... 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Flush mounting them would increase the time alignment problem with the horns between midrange and Bass cabinets ever so slightly. Roger Since he is building new tops, he can just move the front panel back 3/4" to match if everyone is thinking that amount of time domain change matters. Might be better anyway since there will be removable grills added which will be adding depth. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, pzannucci said: Since he is building new tops, he can just move the front panel back 3/4" to match if everyone is thinking that amount of time domain change matters. Might be better anyway since there will be removable grills added which will be adding depth. Why not just get a pair of TSCM K-400 horns then, they are surface mount with a 2 inch throat for better drivers or a K-260 horn, they are surface mount, 2 inch throat and go low enough to cover the lowest male vocals which are 300 Hz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 It's already so far off on a Klipschorn, I don't think I would worry about it. If he we using an active setup it would be a piece of cake... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 More like 9/16 if set in. At 1125 fps that distance is one wavelength at 24 kHz. Likely have greater effective change between it and the tweeter, for better or worse, than between it and the woofer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I agree, Roger, but a passive crossover won't be able to compensate for the time discrepancy between the woofer and mid. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 It would actually help between the mid and tweeter, they would be closer together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Marvel said: It would actually help between the mid and tweeter, they would be closer together. But really, the tweeter and mid are so close to being in time as to be indiscernible to the ear, unlike the mid and bass cabinets. Roger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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