Flevoman Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 A question for the Epic experts. Someone is offering his Epic CF-3 for sale for 1000,- euro. I'm considering buying it for my brother. He's currently using my old Chorus speakers, and he enjoys them, but he feels they lack some bass. His music taste is very diverse, but he mainly listens to lively pop, rock, and metal. Two questions: What is a reasonable price for the Epic CF-3? And how will the CF-3 compare to the Chorus speakers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 If he feels the bass from the 15” woofers in a Chorus is lacking, going to a speaker with smaller woofers is not going to solve the issue. Speaker placement, seating placement, etc will provide better results than different speakers will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteachstem Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 I would look at adding a subwoofer (or two) to the Chorus speakers. Then you still get the upper range clarity of a three way main speaker and you aren't taxing out the 15" woofer trying to reproduce frequencies below what it can reproduce effectively. I run subs with just about all of my speaker systems. It's not that I listen to music loud, it's when I listen, I want it to be a nice full sound. With subs, even at low volumes, you will be able to achieve this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flevoman Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 Thank you for the input. I know from my own experience that each speaker can sound different with an equal-sized woofer. I think the assumption that 'the Chorus woofer is bigger, so it should have more bass' is too simplistic. I have no idea how the CF-3 sounds with two woofers, even if they are slightly smaller, having two of them might result in a fuller bass perhaps? . I remember reading that the Epic CF-3 actually produced decent bass, but I'm not sure if I remembered it correctly 😏 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyErnie Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 2x10" ~= 1x15" for cone area. The Epic series are tuned via port into the mid ~30Hz area, bass is quite good, but they do like a healthy power amp or some sort of active/digital correction. The do sound pretty great with whatever amp you have. They did a great job designing the Epic series, I don't think you can lose either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flevoman Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 Thank you He will be using a tubeamp. The Dynaco ST70II.. Can't recall the Watt output, if I remember it correctly it was around the 35 Watts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 You give those Chorus woofers enough watts and they will tell you all about their bass ability. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flevoman Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Chorus known for being a bit thin in the low end? And the CF-3, on the other hand, was known for having a fuller low end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 I think the bass via the ST70 is going to be a little softer sounding. I have one of the original ST70s, but it's in the middle of a driver board upgrade. I've only used it on my JBL 4311 studio monitors (similar to the L100 Century). They were designed to be usable with a 10 watt amp, so the 35wpc Dynaco was great with them. Can he try a more powerful amp? I had a pair of Chorus IIs at the house for about a week (holding them for a friend) and tried them with a 75 wpc solid state amp and found the bass was very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flevoman Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 He also owns a SS amp, I think it is a Denon with 80 wpc. But he prefers the sound of a tubeamp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Chi-town Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Light the torches and grab the pitchforks, but tubes belong in guitar amps. For home audio SS all the way. 👍 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteachstem Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Straight from the brochure: Chorus I: CF-3: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteachstem Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 My suggestion is buy the CF3's Then, do a side by side A/B comparison in the actual room in which they will be residing. Listen to a bunch of songs you know well. Then, keep the pair you like more and sell the other. It's not like you're going to lose any money, but you will take all of the guess work out of ending up with the speakers you like more. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flevoman Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Iteachstem said: My suggestion is buy the CF3's Then, do a side by side A/B comparison in the actual room in which they will be residing. Listen to a bunch of songs you know well. Then, keep the pair you like more and sell the other. It's not like you're going to lose any money, but you will take all of the guess work out of ending up with the speakers you like more. I was thinking about doing this. I guess 1000,- euro should not be a problem to get my money back when I want to sell them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 The euro is almost a 1 to 1 with the dollar right now. I think you would be ok at that price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Chorus speakers need a lot of power..... 150-200wpc your crossovers are shot send them to @Deang or buy a klipsch genuine capacitors kit shipped to the EU a CF-4 can deliver the heavy bass of the Chorus , but not the CF-3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry4841 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 150-200wpc? For a speaker with 100db sensitivity with just one watt? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I used a 75 wpc with great success on some CHIIs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 hours ago, henry4841 said: 150-200wpc? For a speaker with 100db sensitivity with just one watt? klipsch use + 1000 wpc Rotel Michi amps for the Heritage Jubilee which has a sensitivity of more than 120 dB with just 1 watt 150- 200 watts in nothing in comparison , a 100 wpc amp versus a 200 wpc amp only adds 3 dB , but the difference in the quality of the sound between the 100 and 200 watts amp is gonna yield , cleaner , fuller bass and crystal clear Mids and HF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry4841 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Ridiculous Randy, a speaker with 100db sensitivity only needs a watt or two to damage ones hearing. Perfect speakers for Single Ended Triode tube use, period. Hook those speakers up to an amplifier and an oscilloscope set for a 1 watt window in a rather large room and it will prove to you skeptics that you will never exceed the 1 watt level unless you are an idiot. Just pure laws of physics anyone with an audio electronic background will understand that has the means to prove this. Klipsch speakers, or far that matter most all horn speakers, are perfectly happy with just a few watts. Something a newbie would say with no hands on experience with SET amps. If a 6 watt tube amplifier is not good for 100db speakers just why would many spend $25K for a Japanese SET 300B amp with only 6 watts. What in the h**l would it be good for if a 100db speaker cannot use them. Most speakers cannot even come close to 100db sensitivity. I have no problem with anyone wasting their money on watts that will never be used if that is what one wants to do but to say a 100db speaker needs mega watts is just foolish talk. The Decware Zen is perfect for great sound with it's 2 watts. By the way Flevoman has the Zen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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