cmdridq Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I got some regular for 1.99 on Wednesday, which is the first time I've seen it under 2 bucks in a couple of years. On Thursday it was 2.19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 $1.91 in Russellville, AR yesterday. So cheap I may start leaving the cars running so they will be warm on these cold mornings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 $1.91 in Russellville, AR yesterday. So cheap I may start leaving the cars running so they will be warm on these cold mornings. please don't get me wrong and take it personal cheaper gas = less responsible acts which is probably why global warming is happening expensive gas = all of the sudden everyone turns their engine off when they are not moving etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 $1.91 in Russellville, AR yesterday. So cheap I may start leaving the cars running so they will be warm on these cold mornings. please don't get me wrong and take it personal cheaper gas = less responsible acts which is probably why global warming is happening expensive gas = all of the sudden everyone turns their engine off when they are not moving etc etc I think someone did not get the joke. I'll have to work on my presentation or work to a less PC audience. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerdude Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 $1.91 in Russellville, AR yesterday. So cheap I may start leaving the cars running so they will be warm on these cold mornings. please don't get me wrong and take it personal cheaper gas = less responsible acts which is probably why global warming is happening expensive gas = all of the sudden everyone turns their engine off when they are not moving etc etc Good observation, Jay. Although it is one of the most noted factors of global warming, I would rather save my engine then let it suffer in cold weather. I don't think 10-15 min. of idling will kill the environment. Then again, I don't work for the EPA, so who am I to comment. [] Best regards and, hopefully, good gas prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 $1.91 in Russellville, AR yesterday. So cheap I may start leaving the cars running so they will be warm on these cold mornings. please don't get me wrong and take it personal cheaper gas = less responsible acts which is probably why global warming is happening expensive gas = all of the sudden everyone turns their engine off when they are not moving etc etc I think someone did not get the joke. I'll have to work on my presentation or work to a less PC audience. Bob It wasn't a joke just an observation. I am not an eco crazy but I try and limit my impact on the environment. No , no prius for me but it was something that we would take a look at if we were looking for a car. That and the federal and state tax breaks for the car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 $1.91 in Russellville, AR yesterday. So cheap I may start leaving the cars running so they will be warm on these cold mornings. please don't get me wrong and take it personal cheaper gas = less responsible acts which is probably why global warming is happening expensive gas = all of the sudden everyone turns their engine off when they are not moving etc etc Good observation, Jay. Although it is one of the most noted factors of global warming, I would rather save my engine then let it suffer in cold weather. I don't think 10-15 min. of idling will kill the environment. Then again, I don't work for the EPA, so who am I to comment. [] Best regards and, hopefully, good gas prices. well that sorta mentality is sorta wrong. If one person does that and then comments to his friend sooner or later everyone does it.......... And what does everyone do, idle their car... so the I don't think the comment that 1-15 minutes will kill the environment. It won't but if 100 million cars all do it then it does far worse. I remember hearing something, if there were only 1 million humans inhabiting the earth, they could pollute as much as they wanted and the earth would be able to recover and heal itself. The problem is there is 5 billion + of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerdude Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 $1.91 in Russellville, AR yesterday. So cheap I may start leaving the cars running so they will be warm on these cold mornings. please don't get me wrong and take it personal cheaper gas = less responsible acts which is probably why global warming is happening expensive gas = all of the sudden everyone turns their engine off when they are not moving etc etc Good observation, Jay. Although it is one of the most noted factors of global warming, I would rather save my engine then let it suffer in cold weather. I don't think 10-15 min. of idling will kill the environment. Then again, I don't work for the EPA, so who am I to comment. [] Best regards and, hopefully, good gas prices. well that sorta mentality is sorta wrong. If one person does that and then comments to his friend sooner or later everyone does it.......... And what does everyone do, idle their car... so the I don't think the comment that 1-15 minutes will kill the environment. It won't but if 100 million cars all do it then it does far worse. I remember hearing something, if there were only 1 million humans inhabiting the earth, they could pollute as much as they wanted and the earth would be able to recover and heal itself. The problem is there is 5 billion + of us. My apologies, but your going to have to reword your previous post. It looks to be a contradiction in itself. You say that my mentality is somewhat wrong, in thinking that it is OK to let my car warm up for 10-15 minutes, but it's not ok to have millions of people do it. But my post was in reference to myself, not the world population as a whole. So, if my mentality, in reference to soley myself, is wrong, then what would be right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdridq Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Good observation, Jay. Although it is one of the most noted factors of global warming, I would rather save my engine then let it suffer in cold weather. I don't think 10-15 min. of idling will kill the environment. Your engine doesn't suffer. Letting it idle for more than 10 seconds simply wastes fuel and pollutes the atmosphere for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodog Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 No snowflake has ever claimed responsibility for the avalanche. Woo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
computerdude Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Good observation, Jay. Although it is one of the most noted factors of global warming, I would rather save my engine then let it suffer in cold weather. I don't think 10-15 min. of idling will kill the environment. Your engine doesn't suffer. Letting it idle for more than 10 seconds simply wastes fuel and pollutes the atmosphere for no good reason. Keep in mind, just because an engine is specified to be able to run at sub zero temperatures doesn't mean that those are the optimum temeratures for it to run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdridq Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Keep in mind, just because an engine is specified to be able to run at sub zero temperatures doesn't mean that those are the optimum temeratures for it to run in. What does it mean then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Good observation, Jay. Although it is one of the most noted factors of global warming, I would rather save my engine then let it suffer in cold weather. I don't think 10-15 min. of idling will kill the environment. Your engine doesn't suffer. Letting it idle for more than 10 seconds simply wastes fuel and pollutes the atmosphere for no good reason. Some cars with forged parts such as pistons will experience more wear if driven immediately after starting.The forged pistons can expand more as they come up to normal operating tempature so they are slightly undersized so once heated they will have the optimum close piston to cylinder wall clearance. Also some cars EFI systems will run in closed loop mode(injectors spewing a preset amount of fuel regardless of how efficiently it is being burned) until the coolant reaches normal operating temperature so driving the car before it's warmed up could use more fuel overall then waiting until the car is at temperature before cruising around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdridq Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Some articles you might want to check out: Letting your car or truck warm up in the driveway on a frigid morning can get the cab or passenger compartment toasty, but it is otherwise a waste of fuel and the least efficient way to warm up an engine, a University of Missouri specialist said. You can do your engine a favor by heading straight out the driveway, as long as youre not in a hurry, said Bill Casady, MU agricultural engineer. Gasoline engines are fairly forgiving on a cold day. Actually, modern fuel-injected engines really take some of the fun out of cold weather engine-starting. During the first several minutes after starting a cold vehicle, we are thankful for what is otherwise known as waste heat, he said. Eventually, the waste heat that is normally carried off through the coolant is enough to warm the engine to normal operating temperatures. If the engine is idling, however, it produces little waste heat. It can take a long time to warm an engine thats doing almost nothing except turning its own crankshaft, Casady said. A lot of unburned liquid fuel can make its way down into the crankcase, where it dilutes the oil instead of doing any useful work. The quickest way to warm the engine is to drive slowly, accelerating gently at relatively low engine speed, he said. You will be able to bring the engine up to efficient operating conditions as quickly as possible while minimizing excess engine wear. http://agebb.missouri.edu/news/queries/showall.idc?story_num=2615&iln=635 ------------- Excessive idling can be hard on your engine. Because the engine isn't working at peak operating temperature, fuel doesn't undergo complete combustion. This leaves fuel residues that contaminate engine oil and make spark plugs dirty. http://www.cleanair.utah.gov/winter_driving.htm ------------ Energy Solutions Alberta adds another suggestion: never let your car warm up more than thirty seconds before you start driving. The EPA agrees, and states that longer idling actually causes engine damage. The owners manual in my Audi warns, To avoid unnecessary engine wear and to reduce exhaust emissions do not let your vehicle stand and warm up. Be ready to drive off immediately after starting your vehicle. http://www.terrapass.com/terrablog/posts/2006/02/conservation-tip-idle-engines-are-the-devils-tools.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 No snowflake has ever claimed responsibility for the avalanche. Woo That is so beautifully Zen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 CM, most cars especially modern do not benefit from warming up. The only time I have even seen it recommended is for my old VW Beetle (1970) (three minutes) and the old 71 Alfa Romeo Spider. Most user manuals specifically state driving lightly until the car comes to fully warm temperature after starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodcaw boy Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 $1.91 in Russellville, AR yesterday. So cheap I may start leaving the cars running so they will be warm on these cold mornings. please don't get me wrong and take it personal cheaper gas = less responsible acts which is probably why global warming is happening expensive gas = all of the sudden everyone turns their engine off when they are not moving etc etc global warming? hmmmm....i remember in the 70'a we were so sure we were having another ice age...... have a blessed day, roy delgado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Yeah I was in school that day too Roy. However, little things like that don't matter to guys like Stephen Hawking who think that scientists (like him) should be running the world because they know better. After all, they are in charge of the doomsday clock! (Yes, a clock!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Yeah I was in school that day too Roy. However, little things like that don't matter to guys like Stephen Hawking who think that scientists (like him) should be running the world because they know better. After all, they are in charge of the doomsday clock! (Yes, a clock!) man what did i say to cause this.... one thing that I observe..... My car when starting cold idles around 1800 rpm and slowly goes down to 1300 rpm. If i start car and put into gear it goes from 1800 to 1300 immediately so lower rpm = less wear, it must have less wear. Its somewhat faulty logic at the same time i rather be moving to my destination than sitting idling still cold, waiting for the damn heater to turn on. Stephen Hawkings never said he wanted to rule the world. The doomsday clock is just a how close we are they predict to us dying. It is more of a wake up and fix the planet thing than we are going to die thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Don't take it too literally Jay. I meant it as a certain amount of implication regarding ivory tower thinking. The planet will be just fine and on its own terms without us. Unless the rats take over...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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