Jeff Matthews Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Hear! Hear! to term limits! Something like 8 or 10 years is plenty of "public service." (I don't think we can "afford" more service than that!!) Scott, we have to stop agreeing like this.. :-) That reveals the unfortunate problem with incumbency, which is the voters either don't vote, don't organize well, or don't know what they are voting for. It is really ashamed that we have so many unhappy people out there about the current state of things and the future state of things after the next election, and still these people are not really acting collectively to organize something better. Everyone is too busy to make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 How appropriate for our discussion! http://www.newsweek.com/id/62474?GT1=10450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Well, there are 2 choices as I see it. (1) regulate it so that it is legally prohibited, or (2) refrain from purchasing it. Choice no. 2 does not work because the demand is there. Regulation has its own flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 People who dont outwardly condemn the turning of pre-teen girls into kiddie-porn look-alike hookers for profit are as much to blame. Pushy moms that want to live their life through their children should be exposed and ridiculed for encouraging **** like dress and behavior. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The teachers unions could take a stance on classroom dress and behavior. I have never seen nor heard a public health official address this issue. They could take a few of my tax dollars, hire an actor that supports the message and do commercials. Better that then fund all the pork projects they blow money on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 The teachers unions could take a stance on classroom dress and behavior. I have never seen nor heard a public health official address this issue. They could take a few of my tax dollars, hire an actor that supports the message and do commercials. Better that then fund all the pork projects they blow money on. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Any parent who lets their daughter go out dressed in those outfits deserve what their daughter comes home with and has NOTHING to do with Teachers Unions! Do you really want Teachers Unions dictating what your children can and can not wear? I contend if parents are allowing their daughters to wear those outfits then there is every reason they should be on the Pill regardless if mom and dad want them on it or not. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAKO Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 You wave a red flag in front of a bull and your daughter is going to get gored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 TKD - The parent might deserve it but the poor kid sure doesnt! <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Of course I dont want the teachers union telling kids what to wear but teachers could stand together and recommend certain standards. They know how dress can affect the classroom! I believe individual teachers do care but they need support and the advantage of large numbers. Kids are crying out for boundaries. They want parents, teachers, coaches and other authoritative figures to set standards and expectations. Its amazing what results you can achieve by simply telling the kids why! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dress codes for schools are a wonderful idea................had to wear shirt, tie, and pants, not blue jeans, to school, when I was young, back in the Ice Age, Females, no skirts above the knees, no open tops........although, my kids were always dressed well for school, but that was just our family way. I see some 15-16 year old girls going to school dressed, well like , girls cruising the bars looking for men. A school uniform really is not a bad idea, all dressed the same, all decent and no competition on who has the most expensive clothes of the day, no mini skirts and halter type tops, (darn), no Rock band t-shirts, or obscene worded t-shirts.............School is about learning, not a fashion show, or lack of it ............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Youre up early Oldbuckster! <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> As a HS Tennis coach Im at school over a 100 days a year. Its hard to believe how far some of the tennis teams, let alone general students, go. Im really no prude and Im not sure about uniforms but sportin skin several inches above & below the belly button is a bit too far if you ask me. Seriously, I think a lot of kids would welcome some guidelines. Hey! Im off to have some work done on my rotater cuff. I guess the tendon has to be reattached and some scrapping and chiseling is probably going to be necessary. Too many years of baseball & tennis have caught up to me I guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm always up early, 5:00 AM is normal for me, I like early morning ............ I have always liked School Girl Uniform look..[:$]...No really, the way some of these girls dress is not in good taste, and a uniform would stop sportin' skin. Schools around here are getting tough on the way kids dress going to school, and I'm all for it. Guys are just as bad, Goth, is that the term, all Black, hair, nails, clothes,black eye shadow, .........what are they thinking, happens every generation, but there must be limits set, and their dress should not disrupt the class............. Parents see it, and do nothing,"Oh they are just expressing themselves"......... Hope everything goes well with your rotator cuff, quick recovery, and GOD BLESS THIS COUNTRY...........He won't help it, that's our job to figure it out........"Teach Your Children Well" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 ...Im really no prude and Im not sure about uniforms but sportin skin several inches above & below the belly button is a bit too far if you ask me. Seriously, I think a lot of kids would welcome some guidelines. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Hey! Im off to have some work done on my rotater cuff. I guess the tendon has to be reattached and some scrapping and chiseling is probably going to be necessary. Too many years of baseball & tennis have caught up to me I guess! I have no disagreement with you here boomac except to say when I see the older girls on TV wearing those outfits I don't change the channel. As an irony I ended up breaking up with a girl (or should I say she broke up with me [:'(]) who I thought was too provocative with what she wore on the tennis court--again that was in the mid 70's. I also hope they fix up your shoulder and everything goes well. Unfortunately, I understand the toll that being active brings to us older athletes and hope you have good coverage to take care of it. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzp Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Phewwwww, Am I glad that my daughters are grown! My sister has got a 12 year old daughter and, she claims that shopping for fashionable clothing that is not provocative for her age is becoming increasingly more difficult. Low rise jeans, mid-riff t-shirts spaghetti strap tops and to my shock and dismay, push-up bra's and thong underwear. Scott, I hope your surgery works out well for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 What is next ? Birth control for ten year olds ? These kids should get the whip. Now give free sringes for young addicts and free drugs,yes FREE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 it's the hormones being put in dairy products and live stock. when I was in the 6th grade.....well you know where I'm going with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 TKD - The parent might deserve it but the poor kid sure doesnt! <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Of course I dont want the teachers union telling kids what to wear but teachers could stand together and recommend certain standards. They know how dress can affect the classroom! I believe individual teachers do care but they need support and the advantage of large numbers. Kids are crying out for boundaries. They want parents, teachers, coaches and other authoritative figures to set standards and expectations. Its amazing what results you can achieve by simply telling the kids why! Bingo! What ever happened to demanding and causing kids to show respect? Now, we don't know anymore whether this is the kind of respect that is worthy. Should we tell them how to dress? Should we not? We don't know..... Baloney! We should know. If we can't tell kids how to show respect, how are they going to know how? I am for teachers, neighbors, friends and anyone having the ability to tell a kid how to play right, dress right and act right. Everything has become so "individualized" that nobody knows what they can tell a kid anymore - at least if it's not their own kid. "Oh, little Johnny lives in a neighborhood where everyone uses crack, so we don't know if we should tell him crack is bad or not." Give me a break! "Little Johnny can't speak English worth a dang, but that's okay; it's a cultural thing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Bingo! What ever happened to demanding and causing kids to show respect? Now, we don't know anymore whether this is the kind of respect that is worthy. Should we tell them how to dress? Should we not? We don't know..... Baloney! We should know. If we can't tell kids how to show respect, how are they going to know how? I am for teachers, neighbors, friends and anyone having the ability to tell a kid how to play right, dress right and act right. Everything has become so "individualized" that nobody knows what they can tell a kid anymore - at least if it's not their own kid. "Oh, little Johnny lives in a neighborhood where everyone uses crack, so we don't know if we should tell him crack is bad or not." Give me a break! "Little Johnny can't speak English worth a dang, but that's okay; it's a cultural thing." I am not sure what the point is but I know a little about working with other people's children and have a pretty good reputation for doing so. Regardless how moral one feels on this topic I must advise against approaching anyone else's children that you don't have consent to advise. Not every parent is going to appreciate your opinion on how to raise their kids and most will have a visceral action if you approach their daughters on their attire. I recommend if you have a strong objection about any child's action or attire, contacting the parent unless they are in immediate danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Bingo! What ever happened to demanding and causing kids to show respect? Now, we don't know anymore whether this is the kind of respect that is worthy. Should we tell them how to dress? Should we not? We don't know..... Baloney! We should know. If we can't tell kids how to show respect, how are they going to know how? I am for teachers, neighbors, friends and anyone having the ability to tell a kid how to play right, dress right and act right. Everything has become so "individualized" that nobody knows what they can tell a kid anymore - at least if it's not their own kid. "Oh, little Johnny lives in a neighborhood where everyone uses crack, so we don't know if we should tell him crack is bad or not." Give me a break! "Little Johnny can't speak English worth a dang, but that's okay; it's a cultural thing." I am not sure what the point is but I know a little about working with other people's children and have a pretty good reputation for doing so. Regardless how moral one feels on this topic I must advise against approaching anyone else's children that you don't have consent to advise. Not every parent is going to appreciate your opinion on how to raise their kids and most will have a visceral action if you approach their daughters on their attire. I recommend if you have a strong objection about any child's action or attire, contacting the parent unless they are in immediate danger. I understand. That is precisely the difference today than when I grew up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Jeff I think what you are referring to is the general authority of adults that was recognized back then. You (meaning us) had to listen and at least give prima facie deference to adults because we knew if we did not then they would contact our parents! Then we were in trouble. Now, thanks to predator fears and other fears, what Mike Moore refers to as our "culture of fear" in bowling for columbine, youngsters are encouraged to report adults to the "authorities" much like the hitler youth were encouraged to report their parents for anti-state behavior. The parallels are eery and disturbing, and have led to the current state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Bottom line here ; The Inmates are running the Asylum ...................... My Best Wishes and Prayers go to you forum members that are raising your young children in this craziness, and I'm sorry todays Adults have sat back and let this mess happen. It looks like right now, we Baby-Boomers, will be the First generation to leave this world in worse shape than our parents left it for us ................. 90% complain ................ 40% VOTE .............. case closed !!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 "youngsters are encouraged to report adults to the "authorities" much like the hitler youth were encouraged to report their parents for anti-state behavior. " You go Oldtimer! Can I give you a high 5 there! I am sorry but I think this analogy is totally off base and doesn't reflect the America I live in. [bs] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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