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On a rainy day it’s always good to hear some bossa nova / Latin jazz to brighten up the day Sergio Mendes / Cannonball Adderley With The Bossa Rio Sextet Of Brazil In the USA this album is known as – Cannonball's Bossa Nova

What an interesting and great story the UJ have and it makes me smile to remember and have been one of the many who have supported them and been adventurous enough to step out of their comfort zone through the years to own them. I’m happy @Flevoman has joined the adventure. 🙂 Thanks PWK and to Roy for the many opportunities you gave us to join, learn and share in the adventure..!!! miketn

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Today I felt like Klingon Opera: https://www.discogs.com/release/24976171-The-Hu-Rumble-Of-Thunder

AllesGute!! Your collection will be waiting for You, let that be Your motivation for a quick recovery!

Hang in there George! Things will be fine. They're doin some crazy stuff today and its not like it used to be at all. It's BETTER!

Wishing you a speedy and hopefully pain free recovery

Very nice story, the whole UJ thing was different the way it all started and became popular, although not surprised at all.

One thing I always really enjoy about this forum, besides all the help and useful information, is reading about other people's experiences.This time, I thought I’d contribute my part; I’m on summer holliday and have some time, so here’s my story about the Underground Jubilee. For those who aren’t interested in a lengthy (because it will be) ramble, this is your chance to spend your time in a more meaningful way. For those still here, welcome... I hope my writing is at least somewhat enjoyable to read. **Background:** Let me start with a bit of background to clarify where I come from in terms of audio. Many years ago, I began with the RF3, which later became the RF2. After hearing the Forte 2 and a La Scala, I knew for sure that I needed to own the La Scala as well. However, these speakers aren’t exactly common in the Netherlands, but I managed to find a pair of AL3s in Belgium. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to enjoy them for very long. My passion for audio and Klipsch faded after a failed upgrade of my Dynaco ST70, which dulled the sound. At that time, I didn’t have the resources to solve this, and as a result, my passion for audio and Klipsch waned. The La Scala went into the garage, and I spent years listening to a Sonos system (shame on me). But as they say, blood is thicker than water, and after years of treating music as mere background noise, the desire for more immersive sound returned. I managed to get a good deal on a pair of Heresy 2s, and with that, Pandora's box was opened again. 😁 The passion came back, Klipsch remained my kind of sound, and soon I followed up with the Chorus 1, the CW3, then traded the AL3 and CW3 for the CW4. Of course, it could always be better, so hop, onto the AL5... and now, for the past few weeks, my endgame speakers, the Underground Jubilee. **Acknowledgments:** Now I’d like to take a moment to thank two people for making it possible for me to own the UJ. First, @KT88, for his patience in providing information and assistance, for facilitating the deal, and for not selling his UJ to the highest bidder online, but instead offering them to me at a very fair asking price. And @mikebse2a3, who greatly helped me with his knowledge, patiently answered all my questions (and there were quite a few), and provided insights and knowledge. Thank you, gentlemen! **The Purchase:** The UJ first came into my sights when I purchased someone’s 45 SET amp. This person also had the UJ, and half-jokingly, I said, "If you ever decide to part with them, please contact me first." Knowing how rare these speakers are in Europe and how unlikely it is that they would ever be sold. Months later, I received a message offering the UJ due to the purchase of other speakers. Naturally, I was super enthusiastic—this was a unique opportunity. What I considered to be a once-in-a-lifetime chance... But it was also quite daunting. My knowledge is still at a beginner’s level, and these are definitely not plug-and-play speakers. What if I couldn’t get the DSP box set up correctly? What if I didn’t receive help through this forum? What if I couldn’t get the speakers to sound right and ended up losing my passion again? I had already experienced with the AL5 that a better speaker in the Heritage line doesn’t automatically mean it will sound better in your home. Eventually, I managed to get the AL5 to sound amazing, but it took some work. So, what if I couldn’t get these working in my living room? Could I sell these speakers if needed without suffering too much financial loss? As you can see, I had many uncertainties. I saw a lot of obstacles... but the UJ!!! Come on, I couldn’t pass up such an opportunity because of a few doubts! This is unique... I wasn’t going to walk away just because I didn’t dare take a gamble! **Research and Decision:** What followed was a lot of reading and researching on the internet and reaching out to forum members with questions. How does the AL5 compare to the UJ? Is the UJ really better than the AL5? How difficult is it to set up the DSP box? Unfortunately, it wasn't possible to listen to the AL5 and the UJ side by side. Due to uncertainties and other factors, I hesitated to close the deal—too much money was involved, and for me, there were too many obstacles... Shit... However... KT88 was busy in the meantime and had acquired a Khorn somewhere. Now, owning the La Scala, Khorn, and the UJ apparently gave him enough motivation to make a choice. Suddenly, there was a message from KT88 asking if I might be interested in taking over his UJ and its accessories. He knew about my previous interest in the other UJ and understood that my interest in these speakers was still there. And so it happened that I was presented with a fantastic offer, both in terms of the package and the asking price. The UJ, TAD 4002, Faital drivers with passive X-over, original K69 driver, and the Yamaha 2060 DSP. An offer I simply couldn't refuse—truly a unique opportunity, in my opinion. And so, after some waiting, a German van drove into the street with KT88 at the wheel (he even delivered them) with his van filled with goodies. It was great to finally meet KT88 in person after weeks of communicating via PM. He’s a very calm and friendly man who did his utmost to leave everything in perfect condition, connected, and set up. He spent a few hours working on this, and I was immensely grateful, as I think it would have been a tough job for me due to my lack of proper knowledge. Shout out to KT88 **The Experience:** And then, suddenly, they were in my room. I always thought the AL5 were very large speakers, but the UJ makes the AL5 look small. These speakers are visually imposing. Pffff... I still chuckle sometimes when I see them standing there. The UJ with TAD 4002... how much better could it get?? Wow... And now that’s in my house!! But somewhere, I also miss the appearance of the AL5. I really thought they were beautiful speakers with their veneer finish and design. I saw them as pieces of furniture in my living room, eye-catchers... Often, I would walk by and let my hand glide over the top of the speaker, making contact with my love for audio and Klipsch. I was also proud to own them. These were, in fact, my endgame speakers. Maybe I would add a Heritage sub next to them, but they weren't going anywhere. And now this stands in the living room!!! Ok, I knew in advance that they have a different look, and I had also planned to work on the UJ's appearance if everything sounded good. My idea was to recreate the HJ look but slightly narrower. But until then, they are enormous black boxes that do nothing good for the aesthetics of the living room... **How Do They Sound?** So, how do they perform? How does the UJ sound compared to the AL5? First, I want to say that through my experience climbing the Heritage ladder, I’ve noticed that each speaker has its own unique sound. At first, I thought the Chorus would sound like a Heresy, just with more bass. Now, I have to say that I found the tonal difference between the Heresy and the Chorus the least noticeable, apart from the fuller sound. But for example, the CW4 or the AL5, I find to be really different tonally. You recognize the Klipsch roots, but the CW4 sounds bright to me and has a more modern sound, whereas the AL5 had a slightly darker sound, with a huge midrange that also has a delightful kick and punch. The UJ, again, sounds very different from the AL5. Somewhere, it was quite naive of me, but I had assumed beforehand that the sound would be somewhat like the AL5, just with more and deeper bass. No... the UJ simply sounds very different. This took some getting used to for me. I had become very familiar with the AL5 sound, which I loved. And now, suddenly, it was gone. I could tell that these speakers had much more potential than the AL5 in every way, but because the amplifiers were not yet properly matched, and I was initially using the wrong amplifiers, and because I still had to get used to the different sound, I didn’t immediately get that WOW feeling. Well, I did have a WOW feeling because these speakers can create an enormous amount of sound and a grand soundstage. They were definitely impressive. But the sense of being drawn into the music, which the AL5 did so well, was missing. I caught myself skipping tracks in the first few days rather than listening to them all the way through because I wasn’t being drawn in as much. The UJ made me feel a bit restless, whereas with the AL5, I could just zen out in pure bliss. Gradually, with a lot of help from Heinz and Mike, they started to sound better. First of all, I’m convinced that despite my large living room, I have a lot of acoustic issues. Initially, the bass sounded boomy and dominant here. After finding a better amplifier combination, properly adjusting the balance between the amplifiers, and using the DSpeaker anti-mode 2 (which made a world of difference for me), the UJ started to sound more musical. Gradually, I also began to get more accustomed to the different sound, and soon came the first evenings where I was really enjoying myself. There was even one evening where I was so emotionally drawn into the music that I started to tear up... something that had never happened before. **Final Thoughts:** Now, several weeks later, I can give a better comparison of the UJ vs. AL5. I’m still not completely there, especially in terms of the holographic imaging, which I believe can still be improved, but the UJ sounds grand. It sounds grand and full of energy. It’s truly impressive. The UJ can create a real wall of sound. Additionally, the speaker sounds very clear. Much clearer than the AL5. I really had to get used to this clear sound, as the AL5 had a somewhat darker tone (at least that’s what I think). You also hear much more detail. Electric guitars, cymbals, they sound rich and full. The bass is much more present than with the AL5, which also took some getting used to for me. I’m not a basshead, so at first, I turned down the bass a bit in the DSpeaker settings. But the bass is full, has punch, and goes deeper. After getting used to it and fine-tuning, I’m very happy with how the bass now sounds compared to the AL5. The UJ outperforms the AL5 in every aspect. The only thing the AL5 did very well in this living room was giving the feeling that the band was really in front of you, that they were live in the living room. Unfortunately, I still get this feeling less with the UJ. However, I attribute this not to the speaker but to my acoustics (which is still a subject I need to work on) and further fine-tuning. Sometimes, I still get some sharp/harsh edges in the music that are annoying. But that's not a deal breaker, something that should be solvable one way or another. I also feel that a bit more warmth in the midrange would be more pleasant. This could very well be the result of my adjustment to the AL5 sound, but for now, it would be welcome. I still have a way to go to get these speakers to sound just right. I knew this beforehand—they aren’t plug-and-play speakers, but that’s okay. This is part of the hobby. As long as I don’t hit a wall due to lack of knowledge and skill, I have every hope that I will get there. For example, I’m currently working with REW and a Umik 1 microphone, and I think there’s still room for improvement there as well. I consider myself incredibly fortunate that this opportunity came my way and I’m extremely grateful, just as I am for all the help I’ve received. To those who managed to keep reading until this point, thank you for your interest, and I hope it was somewhat entertaining to follow along with my journey. Flevoman

No affiliation...Look to be in decent shape. Plywood cabs, AA crossovers: https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/d/kirkland-klipsch-klipschorn-speakers/7774816273.html

Looks like you haven't ruled out the preamp being the issue yet...not sure that's it, but swapping the NC 200 back in might be worth a try (as opposed to pulling the pre3 out of the loop). I do find preamps make a big difference on sound in my systems...

I went from powering my towers with a mid level AVR to separates with a 500x2 amp, the difference was night to day.

Well, I waited over 40 years until I could justify spending the money for my dream speakers, the Klipsch Heresy 1's. I was able to find them at a fantastic rehab shop here in STL. Though I paid more than the original MSRP, the speakers had been completed reworked, inside and out. They look brand new! And I knew I wanted an Amp with really clean power. And I was hoping to find something newer with modern technology, but used, for a decent price. The Marantz receiver I found on FB marketplace wasn't worth the $200 I paid for it. The incredibly complex remote only controlled the volume. Nothing else worked. Fortunately, I ran into an old friend who had just completely rehabilitated a Sansui AU-717. It sounds absolutely amazing with those Heresys. At 85 wpc, I can't even turn it up tp 10 wpc without upsetting the neighbors! 5 wpc is where it will stay, unless I want to rock hard during normal business hours. 😉

Not much... the last bloodwork I had (in July) was good enough that the urologist told me I don't need to come back unless I feel like I NEED to see them. The radiation oncologist sent a letter that has a Jan. 2025 appointment date. So they've lengthened how often we meet. So I'm feeling pretty good.

I do not know a lot but what I do know is the higher you go up on the food chain of speakers the easier it is to find and ID bad recordings The Jubes are especially very good at helping with this. One needs to definitely be able to EQ or adjust tone control while enjoying the Jubes during a listening session. And yes THANK YOU PWK and Roy.

Break a leg George, see ya soon🙏!

The wife won't be happy when she gets home...

REL probably decided they might as well get some of the money people spend for "upgraded" wire, the shortest one costs as much as a Tzero. With the way speaker inputs work the wire is just carrying a small signal like an RCA cable. A lot of money for some spades and maybe? a small improvement.

Hello again, believe it or not I think I can follow somewhat of what you are saying, but let me first interject this in order to reproduce what you heard before the lushness the fullness compression of the sound I would think you would want to keep in mind or conditions must remain the same Not so much to turntable the most important part would be the cartridge. What were you using for a preamp for the phone section? Was it two or solid state? I am not a turntable affection auto as I can take three different turntables with the identical cartridge and cables using identical, phone preamp, and most people were only guessing at what turntable is being used we learnt years ago, 90% of what you’re hearing is coming from your cartridge, unless you really got a bad bearing belt or some other turntable problem on a little but what I’m saying is if you can duplicate or you must duplicate the exact same equipment that you were using that gave you this particular sound was it Audio compression or was it a DBX Type of compression and expansion, but to me the most important part would be your equipment in order to replicate that everything must be identical. Wish I could help you further if I had a little more technical information then I’m sure you’ll figure it out.

I sold the UJ with a heavy heart. But we will be moving to a new smaller apartment in the next two years, all the children are grown up and two of the three will still be with us for another year or two until they have finished their studies. Because it is incredibly expensive to rent your own apartment as a student here in Cologne. But they have their own life here (and Diana and me as well😀) because it is really plenty of space for everyone. After that, I won't be able to set up the UJ anymore. I've had so much fun with it since 2008...which is a frighteningly long time, OMG, time flies and I will never forget the answer from Roy @Chief bonehead to my request that I wrote in 2008. "I will see how to get you a pair of Jubilees". I have kept the mail from Roy. It was not just speakers, it was an absolute event to acquire the UJ. @mikebse2a3 helped me so much back then with all his knowledge and all his unconditional warmth, just as he is now helping Melvin @Flevoman with his AL5 and the UJ (ok, I do a little bit too). Mike from Tennessee had suggested to Roy in 2008 that I should also be included in the UJ group, and so it was that I was in Hope AR in September 2009. The acquisition of the UJ was far more than the purchase of loudspeakers. I found a very friendly company in Hope, even though some people initially thought... what does this guy from Germany want here. In the end it was very, very warm. I am still in a very fruitful exchange with Mike from Tennessee and the other Mike from Chicago @DrWho here in the forum, has become a friend for life, who has been with us a few times, who came to Germany especially for my 60th birthday five years ago and whose wedding in Portugal two years ago my wife and I were invited to. That is so much more and very emotional what the UJ means to me. Once again, I am delighted that Melvin has taken over. @babadono At the beginning of June, I bought a beautifully preserved Khorn from 1973 in Italy. It's my baby at the moment and I'm restoring it little by little. I'll open a thread about it when I've reached the first stage. Please do not reply or ask about it here. This is Melvin's thread. I thought it was better to give the UJ to good hands now than to wait until the end. It makes me happy to know that Melvin is a successor who appreciates it.

Welcome to the UJ club! The good news is you can adjust them, but thats also the bad news! Because is hard to stop tweaking.

@Flevoman Wow cool story. Enjoy. As you get them super dialed in to your room you will love them I'm sure. Tame any first reflections and imaging will improve. Now what is @KT88 moving on to?

I am still a young chick here, since December 2019. Initially I was mainly interested in the technical content, but I gave up because it's pointless to give anyone technical advice. In the end, everyone does what they think is right anyway. Since then I've kept a low profile and have found friends in the Lounge from America, Australia and Europe with whom I exchange , especially in the Vinyl Record Spinning thread from @Full Range Still makes fun .......

Ha! I just saw I beat you by 5 days back in July 2000. 😮 I also remember meeting you in Hope and appreciate the advice and clarifications you've given on the Forum throughout the years. Thank you. 😊

I've been wasting time here for over 20 years LOL! Not so much lately, just the occasional pop in. My first Pilgrimage was the 2004 gathering in Indy. Here are a few photos from the hotel meeting room: My brother and I (me on the right) Dean adjusting Trey's vertical Cornwalls Trey and Audio Flynn Forum members just chilling and listening to the music - the way the Pilgrimages used to be More listening at 2 am

How loud do you wanna be? How big is the room? I've had Heresy connected to anything from a few watts to well over 100. Larger the space the more watts you'll want.

Thanks Bill, This seems to be working good, just a pine stair tread to tilt them up a bit. Man, this is my first “big” pair of speakers, I love how it makes the singer and instruments seem bigger, like a full size person singing in the room instead of a “little person”, lol

Well I lied, couldn’t help myself and purchased them. So far so good, I really like how they sound. They are just about mint, only 1 minor nick that I see. Pretty good I’d say, beats a brand new pair of rp-600 😁

Great for a center with limited room, which is what Roy designed that for, it won't come close to a Jube the way Roy. designed it. You can put that 402 horn on top of pretty much anything, and it's going to kick ***, but compared to what? If the price makes sense you want to go 2 way, K-69, the current EV (or alternative that Chris has had good success with) and go from there. You can try Bob's passives, his Fatials, TADS, B&C'so, etc. Then you can start messing with Amps, SS for LF, tubeso for HF. Pretty much everybody here that is giving you advice started with 2way, K-69, EV DX-38. One year Roy found the TADs and for a limited time had a source for those that is long gone but people have continued to find then. Then they all worked through a progression of what worked for them and what they preferred. I think we are going into ten years now of tweaking this stuff. Every person who has chimed in here, and I was present when most of them heard Jube for first time, jaws dropped when they heard them for first time, with an ancient pro audio SS amp and a $39 CD player, they tend to forget what a high level they were at when they started. They all pretty much bought a pair (that didn't already own them) if that tells you anything. Get a pair, listen for a month, you will be blown away. Then let your budget/taste dictate whether you want to try and get another 3 or 4 percent out of them because that is what you are talking about here. In terms of value, I think everyone here will agree, to a person, that you can't approach the sound of stock Jubes for under 25K, maybe 30K now.

I'll keep you in mind, I'm struggling to get under 10!

Here's the black

I'll have to get them out, maybe by Saturday.

Just the walnut one.

I have three Heresy's, two black painted birch, one walnut that I would throw in for another $300. Saw you're up to your ears so I'm just piling on..

That's pretty much where I'm at, so they're going cheap.

What, no love for the commercial stuff? Price reduced to $200

For sale is a 9 meter pair of Avid ASC Speaker Cables terminated in angled locking bananas on one end and straight non-locking on the other. $600 shipped CONUS.

Actually the way it holds it's shape is a big plus, you can get really artsy with your wire routing. Imagine your wire bent to the shape of a Playboy rabbit or a smiley face on the way to your speakers!

If someone wants more let me know, I'm really having trouble loading these. -Steve

Here's pretty low quality pic. -Steve

Yes it is. This has the MM phono stage but not the MC.

What are the best type of caps to use when recapping Type A Xovers? I can't afford the bucks to go to really exotic units. Recommendations re: brands are welcome but I am more interested in knowing what types are best. TIA Lynn

Bob Those look like motor start capacitors. Are they General Electric brand ? Are they Paper in Oil? Could you post a pic of the labels? Thanks Lynn

The most important thing is that your mom is al right. I know that you were worried sick when you weren't able contact her. PS...Thanks for the good wishes Barney is still a little ticked but has been behaving himself.

Thanks Moving those mommas could easily given me another hernia!

They may offer to have it repaired.Don't accept that option. That speaker is beyond repair!

Are you saying the Maggies are flat? GROAN!!

Don't shotgun when troubleshooting! Remove all input cables and lightly tap each of the 6DJ8 tubes. If you get microphonics then the problem is either a tube ( quite likely BTW ) or some component associated with the tube rather than a cable.If no microphonic behaviour then connect one cable to the phono stage and try to replicate problem.If no microphonics then remove that cable and try its mate in that connection and so on. What you need to do in this type of situation is to reduce the variables to an absolute minimum and test new variables singly. If you attempt to rule out several variables at once you wind up spinning in a circle and get progressively more confused.