BusaDude

How soon is "soon™"? Bump for lack of clarity and due diligence.

When I originally read your post and saw the 4mx3m dimensions, I was thinking of 16'x12' for some reason??? Even though your room is slightly smaller, and having 2 subs is more of a luxury, it will really help smooth things out all over the room. And it will help with that "immersive experience" you're wanting. http://www.svsound.com/collections/dual-subwoofers http://www.powersoundaudio.com/ I really can't say about the receiver... I have an older Denon running one system and use a Pioneer as a front end on my LaScala home theater setup. But I haven't listened to any of the newer AV receivers with any of the new Klipsch speakers. From an electronic point of view (Power output, HDMI connections, surround/Atmos options, etc) once you get into the $800 and up range, the major brands (Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo, Yamaha, etc) will all be capable. And will likely come down to personal preference.

You have the attention of the Moderating Team. We are on this.....may take a couple of days, but we are working towards a resolution. Maybe next, y'all can find out why all the specification pages, for the old/discontinued speakers, have been removed from the Klipsch website? Apparently someone had the bright idea of deleting all this information with no real plan of putting it back... It's been gone for nearly 3 weeks now.

Becoming more obvious this website change wasn't well thought out... Still no specs for the discontinued (and most important) speakers. Over 2 weeks now. Just a thought... Instead of deleting everything, with no idea of when it might be replaced. Just leave it up until all the new spec sheets/PDF's are ready for ALL the products.

It's hard to tell from your description, but it looks like you are only planning to have 1 in-ceiling Atmos speaker??? Or am I reading that wrong? Atmos setups would have 2 or 4 in-ceiling, down-firing speakers or the same number of up-firing, elevation speakers. http://www.klipsch.com/products/reference-premiere-dolby-atmos-series Since you mentioned wanting a "very immersive" experience, you may want to consider dual subwoofers to even out the frequency response in room. And strictly from a "bang for your buck" perspective, you may want to look into some other subwoofer brands... Such as SVS, PSA and Rythmik to name a few.

Someone either got a hell of a deal or the seller possibly realized they might be worth more and pulled them. Unfortunately we can't look up the specs on the discontinued speakers anymore... So even if we knew the height we couldn't confirm what they might be without the photo still being up.

The penny, nickel and dime can all go away... Round everything, cash, credit or debit to the nearest $0.25 and be done with it. For that matter, you could do away with the half-dollar and dollar coins as well. No one uses them and collectors are mostly the people who want them.

Looks like they've been painted (white or off white) because the riser on the back side looks to be the original veneer.

Without the model number of the Sony receiver, it's hard to be certain... But even a 2 year old receiver should allow you to use the sub with just 2 speakers. My guess is it has more to do with the setting (stereo, Dolby Digital, etc) you're using and/or possibly the setup of the receiver. If you just have 2 speakers attached and use a "pure" or "direct" mode, you may not get a signal to the subs... Just pure stereo. But if you set the receiver to Dolby Digital or Dolby Pro Logic, then you should get stereo (from a stereo signal) with the subs being utilized. That would/could also vary based on the setup, based on crossover point and/or whether the speakers are set as large/small.

Lets hope it gets fixed SOON! Because the spec sheets are NOT available as a download right now for most, if not all, of the discontinued products... Including LaScala, Forte, Chorus, Epic CF and KLF. I'm sure there are others, but those are the only ones I've checked. All the products that had spec sheets available for download on the old site still have them available on our new one. Yes there are some that don't have (and haven't had, even on the old site) downloadable spec sheets for some reason. We'll get to the bottom of that. Thanks for asking so.... nicely? Well when certain reference information has been available online for YEARS (a decade or more?) and then is deleted basically overnight, without ANY type of warning or explanation??? Would just like the "specs"/information to be put back and made available for ALL the speakers (new or discontinued), whether there was a downloadable spec sheet or not. Thanks for working to get things put back to where they were.

Lets hope it gets fixed SOON! Because the spec sheets are NOT available as a download right now for most, if not all, of the discontinued products... Including LaScala, Forte, Chorus, Epic CF and KLF. I'm sure there are others, but those are the only ones I've checked.

What happened to all the information on the "old/discontinued" products? Doing a search for "CF-4" now returns just a picture... Where did all the "specs" go? WTF!

Are the woofer surrounds rubber or something else?

Those are from 2003,13th week, serial number 0010... The 17 is the grill cloth color. Here's the serial number tag from my 2002 Birch Lacquer LaScalas... Though it doesn't include the reference to the AL4 crossover. Hope that helps.

Actually, the sub crawl is where you place your subwoofer at your main listening position. Then play some music, test tones, etc... And while this is playing, you crawl around your room and listen for the best bass. Could be a corner, middle of a wall or out in the room somewhere. When you find this spot, you then move your subwoofer there. You should then have the same bass back at your main listening position. Like all speaker placement you may have to compromise where you place your subwoofer, because of furniture or room shape. But this will generally get you very close to the best spot. http://www.audioholics.com/home-theater-connection/crawling-for-bass-subwoofer-placement

You need to go back and look at the Klipsch webpage you linked to... The KV-4 was introduced in 1996. And that was the last year of the Epic CF series. The KV-4 shares the same 2 inch driver of the CF-2/3/4 and they all have a Tractrix horn. So it appears Klipsch decided to finally make a center channel (the KV-4) to match the CF-2/3/4, even though it was the last year of the production run. The other KV center channels had a smaller 1 inch compression driver with an exponential cone. Those more closely match the KG series floorstanding speakers (3.5, 5.5, etc) and their production run. People who have the KV-4 and KLF-C7 really like them. For some they may be too big... but their relatively short production runs (and rarity these days) may have more to do with why they're less well known or liked than the RC center channels.

The KV-4 has the big 2 inch K-64-KN compression driver on a Tractrix horn that matches up with the 2 inch K-63-KN driver and Tractrix horn of the Epic CF-2/3/4. The KV-2/3 use a smaller 1 inch driver with an exponential cone and significantly less power handling. I'm not really sure what they match up with?

The RB-75 "tweeter" has a 1.75 inch compression driver... And is essentially the same top end as the RF-7 floorstanding model (a $3200 pair of speakers when new). The only difference (from what I know) is the RB-75 uses a slightly different part number for the compression driver. That may be due to its slightly lower power handling (150 watts/600 watts) compared to the RF-7's (250 watts/1000 watts - continuous/peak)... or simply because it's in a different speaker? That I don't know. That's a larger (and from most accounts much better) compression driver than anything else in the Klipsch lineup at that time (KLF20/30 had a 1.5 inch midrange). Only thing larger is the 2 inch "tweeter" compression driver in the Epic CF3/4 (another very well regarded speaker)... And the midrange in the new Palladium series. People that have RB-75's and/or have heard them, swear by them... And those who don't have a pair, would like to have a pair. But they are very difficult to find.

I've owned Cornwall I's and KLF-20's and I'd go with the KLF's. The big tractrix midrange on the KLF's makes the most difference in my opinion, with a better, smoother "soundstage presentation". The midrange and tweeter also sit slightly higher up in the KLF which also helps (in my opinion). Spec wise they're pretty close, but the bass is just a bit better in the KLF along with the power handling. The footprint of the KLF also makes placement a lot easier. Having said all that, your ears and personal preference are probably going to make the most difference in your room. Besides, you can't really go wrong with either... so you'll be splitting hairs and opinions trying to decide.

Do a search for "DBB"... There are several threads out there. https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/58231-dual-15-inch-corner-bass-bin-cornscala-dbb/

If you're getting 90dB at your listening position, which is 10 METERS away from your speakers, then you're using more than 1 watt. In fact your speakers would need to be outputting 110dB or so to generate 90dB that far away. Works out to at least 4 watts continous, with peaks quite a bit higher. Now if you want to sit near field and listen with a 2 watt amp, then more power to you. But trying to generate 90dB at 30 feet, with a 2 watt amp... You're kidding yourself. http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-distance.htm

In all of my KG 1.5's and 2.5's the woofer surrounds look and feel like rubber. The KG 4's I've seen look to be rubber as well. And though I've never seen any KG 3's, I think they would be rubber as well. All of my KG's (20 years old) still work great... and as long as they haven't been sitting in sunlight for any length of time. They should be okay. You'd have to call Klipsch support and ask them...

If you want to try, then salt and pepper rub, and put it in an offset smoker (most often oak here in Texas), then cook it for 10 to 14 hours at 225°-250°F... And unless you have a lot of practice you’ll fail more often than not. Texas brisket is never brined, never cooked in an oven, NEVER cooked in liquid (that's pot roast) and any mention of using liquid smoke might just get you shot. Texas brisket vs a NYC strip is like comparing a Forte to a Jubilee... They're both beef, but one is an order of magnitude better. If you're ever in Texas, any of the places in the Texas Monthly Top 50 will convince you of the merits of Texas brisket... Particularly those in the top 10. Of course there's also pork ribs, sausage, beef ribs, Turkey, pulled pork, pork chops, etc. http://www.texasmonthly.com/list/the-50-best-bbq-joints-in-the-world/

I believe there is a much simpler way to solve to your problem. There is a function in Excel called... =SUMIFS() It allows you to sum a column based on multiple criteria... in your case the month and branch columns. I'll post a screen grab of the worksheet so you can see it, along with the =SUMIFS() equation used for the solution. I named the PE, MONTH and BRANCH columns as a range, so the equation is a little easier to read. And the only thing I think you'll need to add to your spreadsheet, is the column to the left of your "Settle Date". This uses the =MONTH() function to look at the Settle Date and determine the month number (1 through 12) of whatever date is shown... and makes the criteria search easier. The only difficult part will be setting up the individual =SUMIF() equations and making sure they reference the correct month and branch. But once you get it setup, for whatever number of rows or columns you need, it shouldn't require any real maintenance. If you'll PM me with an email address, I'll be happy to send the Excel worksheet to you to look at... and I'll try to answer any questions you might have. I only have Excel on my work computer right now, so if you would prefer to talk we can arrange a time (between 9:00am - 5:30pm central) to do that tomorrow. Let me know what you think... Tony

As a previous Forte II owner (I'm a bit biased) you can't go wrong with that speaker for music or movies... Same with the Chorus II and the KLF 20/30 series. All of those are excellent 3-way speakers from that era, with the bigger Tractrix midrange. The only real issue with those older speakers (assuming the cabinets, veneer and grilles are in good condition) is they would probably need a crossover tuneup. They're all 20+ years old, and to get them back to how they sounded when new, you'd need to update the crossover at some point. Of course critesspeakers.com can fix that for you. And for home theater use, unless you have room for another Forte II (or a Quartet) in the middle. There's not really an exact center channel match for the Forte II series. The typical "horizontal style" center channels from that era... The Academy (a match to the original Forte I) and the KLF-C7 (a match to the KLF series) can be used, but they are harder to find. But as I said, I'm a bit biased and think all of those older 3-way speakers (Quartet, Forte II, Chorus II and the KLF 20/30) sound better than any of the stuff from the recent RF and new RP series (which are all 2-way). The RF-7 series (though also a 2-way) is the lone exception as it uses a much larger 1.75 inch compression driver for the tweeter. However, your ears, in your listening room, along with your placement options, will guide you the best. Whatever you do though, go get those Forte II's. Even if you don't use them for HT, they would be an excellent choice for a dedicated 2 channel setup. And pretty sure you won’t regret the purchase either way. But on the very slight chance you don't care for them, you'd be able to resell them and not lose any money.