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I'm back! I let this drop for a while, but watching two movies over the weekend made methat my 50" is fine for TV, but the black bars on 2.35:1 content make the screen too small (not high enough). I had written It's all about angles... THX theater recommendations says that the minimum screen angle (back row) should be 36 degrees and maximum (front row) 53 degrees. I have 58.5" clearance between the top of my La Scala and the ceiling joists where I can hang an electric screen. The largest 16:9 screen that I can fit that clears the tweeter (barely) is: 106 diagonal 16:9 (92"x52") Provides 100-inch diagonal 2.35:1 screen (92x39) Viewing angle of 42.1 degrees Not too bad. The screen is $1250 and since I would use a fixed setup on the projector (no zoom change), I could get by with an Epson Powerlite Home Cinema 8350 projector ($1200, as recommended on this very thread; Thanks!) The extreme I can go is: 135 inch diagonal 16:9 (118x66) Provides 128 inch diagonal 2.35:1 (118x50) Viewing angle of 52.2 degrees (close to THX maximum!) The full height of this larger screen is 72 to 73 inches and blocks the La scala mid-driver. Therefore, it would never be used this way but would be a cheaper alternative to 2.35:1 version of the same width screen (a custom size). I would simply leave the excess white screen on the roller. I would lower the screen to the La Scala top and project 2.35:1 right up to the edge of the screen-mount, 1 inch below the suspended ceiling. I would project the black bars onto the ceiling a bit, so that might be a con. For 16:9 content, I would need to zoom the projector in to occupy the 50" height, leaving bars on the sides. I'd need a more expensive projector with different automatic lens shift and zoom setting (Panasonic PT-AE7000, $1900). The screen is $1800. Therefore, HDTV format content would be projected at about the same size on both screens. Widescreen content would be much bigger on the larger screen. The attached picture shows the two sizes. Pros and cons of the bigger screen: Pro: 64% bigger area than the 106-inch on 2.35:1 content!! Cons: I would never unroll the whole screen (but only I know that, really). The image would always be very close to the ceiling (does it matter when it's dark?) The 118-inch wide projected image for 2.35:1 is a stretch for the projector (so the image contrast won't be as good). At the edge of being too big. the bottom bar of the screen is 137 inches and would block the door to the kid's room completely. They would have to push against the screen to get by it if it were lowered (The 106" screen blocks half the door, so they might be able to scoot by). $1450 more expensive after taxes.

These have been pictured many times here on the Forum. This is my first set of the MCM1900 stacks that were used by a R&B band in Atlanta area and stored in a safe environment for some time before being rescued by The House of Klipsch. I've never had them out other than to run tests on them. Kind of a shame really. Someone should be blasting these and enjoying the fine, FULLY-HORN-LOADED effortless sound they provide. There are several here on the Forum who run them as PA or part of a HT system and will attest to the accuracy of the sound reproduction. One Klipsch engineer keeps a pair in his workshop/barn. If you wish, you could purchase these as less than the price of a single new MWM cabinet and sell off the rest. I just can't be the guy responsible for breaking up the set. Yes Klipsch still sells the bass bin of this series as its biggest MONSTER Cinema LF bin. The speaker set consists of the following, each with notes: MTM 5 piezo tweeter pack- these run, I think each individual piezo is operational. MSM - high horn K240 with the optional Guass H4000 driver. Driver is as big as coffee can or gallon of paint, takes the place of the manifold and 4xK55V MSSM - the nearly-requisite mid bass bin with 10" driver into straight horn. MWM - the BIG BOYS, the original dual 15" bin. With numberous handles for lifting. This is an entire stack with all original hardware in good condition for it's age. It is the black painted variety with all aluminum trim intact. It has been repainted as it was a touring set. No bar or smoke smell, so these could go in the house with the approval of SWMBO (for those of you with one of those). All original drivers the best that I can discern, and I have had every single one of these apart for inspection. These are available in three configurations, all consists of the entire stack (the MWM's will not be sold separately) The woofers are NIB, still sealed. 1. $3400/set With brand new Klipsch K43 cast frame heavy duty 15" woofers either loose or installed with new gasket tape (MSRP of 15's is about $1200) 2. $2750/set With brand new Klipsch K33 standard duty 15" woofers either loose or installed with new gasket tape (some prefer this for home use, they will go a bit lower at the expense of less power handling- but remember these are 109 db/w/mtr) MSRP of 15's is $520 3. $2250/set With all cabinets stocked except the MWM bins, which will NOT have drivers installed or provided. Speakers are ready to roll and are FOB The House of Klipsch (Indianapolis) I need the garage space! Help a brother out will ya? I'm not exactly doing without, I have another set with the split MWM -S bins that I'll be using (they load easier). And Jubilees are on the way! Thanks, Michael

The Klipsch company picnic is today and they hired me to bring in an all-Klipsch PA system for the live shows. Engineer Rick Santiago will have his modern jazz band on stage at 11:30, then announcements, then local legend Michael Kelsey will entertain until 3:00. Click on the link to see what some describe as the 'Cirque de Soleil of acoustic guitar' I've been slowly building this system over the past couple of years. We're not taking the BIG boys out like you saw at the Pilgrimage, these are a more modern stack but nonetheless, are classic because they aren't manufactured in exactly these configurations any more. From Green Bay Wisconsin, courtesy of my good friend and driver Roger, is a set of KP-682 and KI-362. And, being Klipsch - they SOUND FANTASTIC! The 682's have dual K47 18" woofers and are more portable versions of the current Pro Cinema offering the KPT-684. Mine have metal grilles (for those errant beer bottles), dual wheels on the back, and handles for easy portability. You just tip em back and they become their own hand carts. Matching these are the KI-362's. KI means Klipsch-Installed which are versions without fuses and carrying hardware normally. In the case of the KI362, these are normally used for installation in churches, schools, and auditoriums. There used to be a KP-362 but they haven't been made for some time. They're beasts to stack, but hey, I'm a big boy, right? I have added rubber footies to aid in stacking and plan on routing the sides for handles some day. Rounding out the All-Klipsch lineup are a pair of KSM-2 monitors, the 'Drummer's Dream' in Trey-speak. Found these from an eBay add selling just the horn/driver and networks. Called the guy and asked about the cabinets, he'd stripped them down for easy sale. No woofers. I drove to Columbus Ohio to save them. Stole two steel-framed K43's from my LSI's (because the motor board is routed and will hold only the older K43), added two metal grilles from Parts Express and have two KILLER monitors. Note that Trey and Bill Hendrix use these same units. The K601 CW horn and K65 driver have great clarity and you'd swear that it's a three way system. Add Klipsch's own house PA, the KP272 slant monitors and you have a 4 monitor stage system. I'll be running two monitor sends so the sax/keyboard player can have their own mix while the bassist and drummer enjoy a rhythm section mix. Housed in a 16 space Star rack case (obtained from grandson of Crown Amp founder), is a Mackie VLZ1604 II board, the classic rock and roll sound board that everyone knows and loves. Then from top to bottom: Furman voltage conditioner/rack light Alesis Quadraverb (used for vocal and lead instrument FX1 send) DOD 2x15 eq for mains (not really needed the Klipsch speakers are so flat) DBX 166 XL dual gate/compressor/limiter (used with insert cables for specific channels) ART Multiverb effects (drum reverb for snare/hat FX2 send) Lexicon LXP1 (extra effects) Sony 5xCD player for playback Crown PS200 amp (I use for all-purpose single amp situations) 3 rack space drawer for patch cables, duct tape, tools, drum key, etc At the stage end of the snake is a 10 rack space Star case (white, bought from a Chicago auction from the band Styx) Crown Microtech 1200 for monitors (one channel per pair of monitor cabinets) Crown Microtech 1200 for mains speakers (this will power all four of my KI362's but we're using only one per side today) Crown K2 powering the massive sub system Rane 23 crossover in stereo configuration at 190 Hz between subs and mains (we'd like a lower point but the Rane isn't setup to do that) Custom speaker patch bay that brings the banana plugs at the back of amp rack to Neutrik NL2 sockets for twist-lock connectors. Ashley dual 31 band eq for fine tuning the stage sound and avoiding feedback. Doc came up last night and we hooked it all up in the House of Klipsch parking lot and BLASTED the neighborhood. It was two pretty full pickup loads with milk crates full of speaker cables, mic/cables, A/C power and mic stands. It's all under the tent now and awaiting our 10 am setup time. Sound checks are set for 10:45 and we'll help the bands load in and setup where needed. Roger stopped by to help out and test his new LSI BG HF cabinets that he's building into a garage/touring system with some Peavy LF bins. His new HF sections sound fantastic, the K77's were sparkling. Even with a xover point of 400 Hz with the 682's it was a fine rig. Trey's got his big cooker at the shop for the hog roast, although it's going to be another hot day (90) in Indy, I'm sure there will be lots of COOL tunes and I'm really looking forward to meeting some old friends. That's all for now, got to get the soldering iron hot! See ya! Photos to follow (help me out Amy!) yer buddy, Michael

I was always taught what your display technology is, that is the max u should set other things to your projector. (Your DVD player / cable box, etc., etc.) otherwise it is just converting it down / up. When it sais video capability at 1080p/30 does that mean a HD or Blue ray DVD player would be fine with this projector and would be good... or do I wait till I get the IN 82 later? This one looks very good to me too.. But to be honest (I know on paper..) is it worth it thousands more to pay to get it... Again, right now it is just stunning at 720p ! IN82 Overview Specifications Accessories Support FAQs Resolution The Play Big IN82 is InFocus first Full-HD 1080p DLP digital home cinema projector. The IN82 utilizes the DarkChip3 DLP® chipset by Texas Instruments, technology which is unsurpassed in its ability to deliver deep black levels, pure whites, and subtle grayscale details. Also, the native 4000:1 contrast can be boosted to a maximum 12000:1 by activating the onboard iris. Brightness & Video Performance The IN82 is bright enough to deliver film-standard, D6500K color accuracy in nearly any theater, even with ambient light or daytime viewing. Producing video optimized brightness up to 1500 Max ANSI lumens this projector is spectacular and offers the flexibility to reduce brightness to improve black level performance in a dedicated home theater without dimming the picture. Connectivity The Play Big IN82 is virtually future-proof thanks to onboard HDMI 1.3 inputs with Deep Color support. This new HDMI standard can display up to 1.07 billion colors for a smooth picture without color band artifacts. The IN82 also hosts comprehensive connectivity & I/O, including DVI, and PC input, screen triggers, RS232, and an IR repeater input. (Deep Color requires HDMI 1.3 compatible media player & source material.) Video Processing & Scaling True video magic projected by the Play Big IN82 is thanks in-part to Pixelworks DNX 10-bit video processing. This is the same outstanding processing, de-interlacing, and scaling performance as the award-winning InFocus Play Big IN7x series. The IN82 hosts unrivaled built-in scaling support at this price-point for 2.35:1 aspect ratio, for a true Cinemascope/widescreen without an external scaler (requires anamorphic lens, available separately). Video Settings InFocus Color Gamut Calibrator and ISF Day & Night presets allow for worry-free optimized performance at all times. Installers can lock in these ideal calibration settings for clients - an excellent value-add opportunity. IN82 Datasheet (442k) | Additional Languages French German Spanish IN82 Datasheet. Display Native Aspect Ratio: 16x9 Supported Aspect Ratio: 16:9, 4:3 Brightness: (Video Optimized Lumens) Whisper: 1200 max ANSI lumensHigh Bright: 1500 max ANSI lumens max ANSI lumens Contrast Ratio: 12000 : 1 Full On/Full Off Display Technology: DarkChip3 1080p DLP by Texas Instruments Data Compatibility: 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768, 1280 x 1024, 1280 x 720, 1920 x 1080 Video Compatibility: Full NTSC, PAL, SECAM, 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1035i, 1080i, 1080p/24, 1080p/30, 1080p/50, 1080p/60 Color Wheel (DLP Only): 7-segment, D65K (6500K) color calibrated Native Resolution: 1920x1080 Projector Placement: Ceiling Projection, Front Projection, Rear Projection SMPTE Brightness: Up to 14.75' (4.5m) diagonal with 1.0 gain screen Lamp Wattage: Whisper: 250 WattsHigh Bright: 300 Watts Lamp Life: Whisper: 2500 HoursHigh Bright: 2000 Hours Minimum Image Size: 3.06 ft (0.93 m) Maximum Image Size: 16.92 ft (5.16 m) Standard Lens Zoom: 1.2 : 1 Standard Lens Throw Ratio: 1.85-2.22:1 (Distance/Width) Standard Lens Image Offset Ratio: 136% Standard Lens Projection Distance: 4.92 - 32.8 ft (1.5 - 10 m) Digital Keystone Correction (Vertical): +/- 13° Digital Keystone Correction (Horizontal): Not Available Lens Shift: Not Available Inputs and Outputs DVI: Number of Inputs: 1Requires M1 to DVI cable (SP-DVI-D) M1: Number of Inputs: 1Accepts VGA, DVI, HDMI, & Component Video through optional M1-DA adapters. HDMI: Number of Inputs: 1HDCP Supported BNC: Not Available Component (RCA): Number of Inputs: 1 VESA (HD15): Number of Inputs: 1Requires M1 to VGA cable (SP-DVI-A) S-Video: Number of Inputs: 14-pin mini-DIN Composite (RCA): Number of Inputs: 1 Standard Definition TV: Composite RCA, S-Video, Component RCA Enhanced Definition TV: Component RCA, HDMI, M1-DA High Definition TV: Component RCA, M1-DA, HDMI Computer: M1-DA HDCP Support: Yes Stereo RCA Jacks Inputs: No Stereo 3.5 mm Mini-jack Inputs: No 12v trigger for motorized screens (3.5 mm mini-jack): Yes Projector Control: RS-232, Remote, 3.5mm Wired Remote Speakers: Not Available Monitor Output: No Audio Output: Not Available Compatibility Data Compatibility: 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768, 1280 x 1024, 1280 x 720, 1920 x 1080 H-Sync Range: 31.5 - 80kHz V-Sync Range: 50 - 85Hz Video Compatibility: Full NTSC, PAL, SECAM, 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1035i, 1080i, 1080p/24, 1080p/30, 1080p/50, 1080p/60 General Audible Noise: 30 dB Actual Dimensions: Height: 5.83 in (14.81 cm)Length: 17 in (43.18 cm) Width: 18.75 in (47.63 cm) Actual Weight: 14.1 lbs (6.4 kg) Shipping Dimensions: Height: 10.5 in (26.67 cm)Length: 23.4 in (59.44 cm) Width: 21.6 in (54.86 cm) Shipping Weight: 21.2 lbs (9.62 kg) Projector Warranty: 2 years Lamp Warranty: 6 months Accessories Warranty: 90 days Operating temperature: (at sea level) 50 - 95° F (10 - 35° C) Maximum Altitude Supported: 7500 ft (2286 m) Typical Power Consumption: 350 Watts Maximum Power Consumption: 375 Watts Power Supply: 100 - 240 Volts at 50 - 60 Hz Menu Languages: English,French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Norwegian, Portuguese, Russian, Simplified Chinese, Spanish, Traditional Chinese Approvals: UL,c-UL, TUV GS, GOST, C-Tick, NOM, IRAM, FCC Class B, ICES-003 Class B, CISPR22/EN55022, EN55024/CISPR24, CB certified in accordance with IEC60950-1/EN60950-2, MIC, CE, VCCI, WEEE

please recommend me screen speakers for a hall abt 35-55feet, 150 ppl, main use will be movies, second as stage speakers, music, etc. i checked 325s, seems good, but i dont know if they can fill this sized hall? what do u ppl say? do i need to go bigger, like 904? but 904 says they are best for stadiums, 325 says cinema, what is the price differance between 325,335,904,940, first will be using only 2 upfront powered by crown CTs 1200 amp. 600w x2 waiting

Why it's the Epson Powerlite Pro Cinema 1080 with 1920 x 1080 resolution, HDMI 1.3, a 2.1X zoom, 12,000:1 contrast (claimed), 1200 ANSI lumens output (claimed), extensive vertical and horizontal lens shift and a MSRP of $4999 which is $1K less than the Pany AE1000U. Hey Damon.....you haven't bought your projector yet have y......or darn - you already got the Pany. [] Good ged - HT projectors are starting to be like PC's. Should be interesting to see how this Epson performs. Tom

Okay gang, something has to go. Now that I've got my dream speakers (the double stacked LSI splits), some of this old PA stuff has to go. Here's a list of everything I have right now. I'm sorting, cleaning, repairing, and photographing this next month. Got to raise some cash as I forget to sell any weddings for July and August. This is everything I have, not all will be sold, just wanted to get you thinking about it... I'm keeping a tri-amp PA stack with eq, xover, and processing. Ashley EQ231 dual 31 band eq Rane dual three-way xover BGW75 highs Crown DC300A mids MicroTech 1200 lows Here is the stuff that looks 'extra' right now. JBL 6260 Amp (4 spaces) QSC 1400 Biamp brand dual 10 band eq (this component matchs the one below) Biamp brand dual tri-crossover/ 5 way mono DOD R430 dual 15 band eq (1 rack space) Bag End mid/high speakers with 2x EVM12L and 6x JBL 4" drivers each. no crossover in the 7ply birch cabinets, they must be biamped (like the Greatful Dead Alembic rig) EV TL bins for 15" DRIVERS homebuild from EV plans with EVM-15L drivers- these would be great for the low/mid of pa or bottoms for small 2-3 way system or stack em and jam out with your bad bass self. Single EV TL 18" bin with working EVM-15L driver. Good for low end for above 15" matching cabinets. Also have additional matching EVM-15L woofer so you could build a second cabinet to match. JBL 18" cinema cabinets with JBL drivers- need to be reconed Renkus Heinz slanted stage monitors each with 2 12" eminence and RH CD horn approx 30 long each. EV mid horns with 1828" drivers F100 Performance Fog machine Misc old Par 46 Par 38 lights Microphone stands and booms Shure SM58 mics AT mics Cardoid condenser mics. I"M NOT TAKING ANY OFFERS AT THIS TIME, so emails and pm's wont be responded to until I say GO. Just wanted to get the info typed out so I can start figuring out what to do and what to ask for these pieces. Michael

Note all power ratings to be rms driving 8 ohm from 20-20k Hz Manufacturer Model Number Watts Chan. Watts Chan. MSRP Retail Used Adcom GFA 7807 300 7 $3,600 Adcom GFA 7707 200 7 $3,000 $2,000 Adcom GFA 7607 125 7 $1,700 $1,000 Adcom GFA 6006 70 6 $1,100 Adcom GFA 7705 200 5 $2,200 $1,500 Adcom GFA 7700 175 5 $800 Adcom GFA 5503 200 3 $1,500 $625 Adcom GFA 5802 300 2 $2,200 $750 Adcom GFA 5500 200 2 $1,500 $500 Adcom GFA 5400 125 2 $800 $400 Anthem PVA7 105 7 Anthem P5 325 5 $1,000 Anthem MCA50 180 5 $1,500 Anthem A5 180 5 Anthem PVA5 105 5 $625 Anthem MCA30 180 3 $700 Anthem P2 325 2 Anthem MCA20 200 2 $700 Anthem A2 200 2 Anthem PVA2 105 2 $425 Aragon 2007 200 7 $3,000 $2,200 $1,450 Aragon 3005 300 5 $3,500 $2,400 $1,500 Aragon 8008x5 200 5 Aragon 2005 200 5 Aragon 8008X3 200 3 Aragon 8008x3B 200 3 Aragon 3002 300 2 $2,075 $1,750 Aragon 2002 200 2 $1,500 $1,225 $1,100 Aragon 8008 MKII 200 2 $3,000 $2,200 $1,500 Aragon 4004 200 2 Aragon 4004 MKII 200 2 $800 Aragon 8008BB 200 2 $1,025 Aragon 8008ST 200 2 $750 Aragon 8002 125 2 $600 Aragon 2004 100 2 Aragon 2004 MKII 100 2 $400 Aragon Palladium 1K 400 1 $3,000 $1,500 $1,200 Aragon Palladium II 400 1 Aragon Palladium 100 1 $750 ATI 3007 300 7 $4,000 $3,145 ATI 2007 200 7 $3,000 ATI 1807 180 7 $2,000 $1,500 B&K Ref 200.7 S2 200 7 $2,200 $1,500 B&K Ref 7260 / 7260 ii 200 6 B&K Ref 7250 / 7250 ii 200 5 $1,800 B&K Ref 200.5 S2 200 5 B&K AVR 305 150 5 B&K Ref 3220 220 3 B&K TX 4430 200 3 B&K Ref 4430 200 3 B&K Ref 200.3 S2 200 3 B&K PRO 600 250 2 B&K Ref 4420 225 2 B&K Ref 200.2 S2 225 2 B&K Ref 2220 220 2 B&K ST3030 / ST3030 ii 200 2 B&K EX442 200 2 B&K EX 4420 200 2 B&K ST202 150 2 B&K Ref 4420 M 250 1 B&K Ref 220M 250 1 $2,000 $1,300 B&K Ref 200.1 S2 250 1 B&K M-200 mono 200 1 $400 B&K EX 4420 M 200 1 B&K ST 1400M / ST 1400M ii 150 1 B&K ST 140 M 150 1 Balanced Audio Technology VK 6200 200 6 Balanced Audio Technology VK 600 300 2 $11,000 $8,000 $6,000 Balanced Audio Technology VK 250 150 2 $3,300 Balanced Audio Technology VK 220 125 2 Balanced Audio Technology VK 600M 400 1 Balanced Audio Technology VK250M 200 1 Boston Acoustic A7200 200 7 $2,000 Bryston 5B ST 120 7 $1,800 Bryston 4B SST 30 7 $1,300 Bryston 9B SST 140 5 140 3 $4,000 $3,900 Bryston 6B SST 300 3 $4,000 Bryston 14B SST 600 2 $4,000 Bryston 3B SST 150 2 $800 Bryston 2B SST 100 2 $300 Bryston 7B SST 600 1 $4,200 $1,500 Bryston 300 SST 300 1 Classe CA 5200 200 5 Classe CA 3200 200 3 Classe CA 2200 200 2 Classe CA 2100 100 2 Classe CA M400 400 1 Gemstone Audio Blue Diamond 200 7 $2,800 $2,500 Integra DTA 9.4 120 7 $5,000 $1,800 Lexicon LX-7 200 7 $4,900 $3,600 Lexicon CX-7 140 7 Lexicon LX-5 200 5 $3,000 $2,500 Lexicon CX-5 140 5 McIntosh MC207 200 7 McIntosh MC206 120 6 McIntosh MC602 600 2 $4,700 McIntosh MC402 400 2 $4,500 McIntosh MC252 250 2 McIntosh MC2125 120 2 $1,000 McIntosh MC2105 105 2 $1,000 McIntosh MC1201 1200 1 $6,000 McIntosh MC501 500 1 $3,400 Monster MPA-5150-SS 150 5 $3,500 Monster MPA-3250-SS 250 3 $3,000 $1,200 Monster MPA-2250-SS 250 2 $2,500 $800 NAD T973 140 7 $1,450 NAD C272 150 2 $500 Niles SI 1260 120 6 60 12 $1,645 $800 Niles SI 1230 60 6 30 12 $1,745 $700 Niles SI 2125 125 2 Outlaw 770 200 7 $1,800 Outlaw 7125 125 7 $1,000 Outlaw 7075 75 7 $700 Outlaw 2200M 200 1 $325 $250 Parasound 2250 250 2 Parasound A21 250 2 $1,200 Parasound 2125 125 2 Parasound A23 125 2 $600 Parasound JC1 400 1 $1,900 Plinius ODEON 200 6 $6,000 Plinius SB 300 310 2 Plinius SA REF 300 2 Plinius SA 201 225 2 Plinius P8 200 2 Plinius SA 102 125 2 $5,000 $2,700 Rotel RMB 1077 100 7 Rotel RMB 1066 60 6 150 3 $600 Rotel RB 976 60 6 150 3 $600 Rotel RMB 1095 200 5 $1,350 Rotel RMB 1075 100 5 $800 Rotel RB 1090 380 2 $2,500 $1,500 Rotel RB 1080 200 2 $1,200 Rotel RB 1070 130 2 $400 Rotel RB 1050 70 2 $300 Sherbourn 7/2100A 200 7 Sherbourn LDS 12/900 125 6 100 12 $1,000 Sherbourn TST 2/200 200 2 Sherwood A965 100 7 $1,500 $1,000 Sonance 1250 MKII 100 6 50 12 $1,300 Sonance 1230 60 6 30 12 $650 Sonance 2120T 120 2 $500 Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature 400-7 400 7 $5,000 $2,500 Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature 200-7 200 7 Sunfire Cinema Seven 200 7 $3,400 $1,800 Sunfire Cinema Grand Seven 400 5 $3,800 $2,500 Sunfire Cinema Grand 200 5 $2,800 $1,500 Sunfire Signature 600-2 600 2 Sunfire 300-2 300 2 $1,000 Theta Deadnaught II 225 5 $7,100 $4,000 Theta Intrepid 100 5 $3,500 Theta Citadel 400 1 $15,800 Theta Enterprise 300 1 Yamaha MX-D1 500 2 $5,000 $1,550 List update 15 Dec 2005. Prices from Ebay, Audiogon & Videogon for the most part. If you want spreadsheet send me PM and I will email.

Hey indy, thanks for the help! I am looking for a complete system, front speakers, surround, sub, and reciever. I was thinking a 6.1 system would be good. I would like to have floor standers also. As for the dimension of the room, im not 100% sure. Its a new house that we are moving into next month. Its a good sized room but not huge. Right now I would say my budget for all the speakers is around $1200-$1500 and $700-$1000 for the reciever. Is this a reasonable price for a nice system or no? Thanks for the help. It looks like you have budgeted 40% for your receiver and I think that may be a little on the high side. What about the Onkyo TXNR801 from Onecall.com for about $600? It's listed at a few places for that price if you look at pricegrabber.com. It has ethernet connection on the back so you can stream PC-music into your receiver. It's THX and 7.1. It has multi-room support and 2-year warranty. 100 watts per channel may seem to be low but that's at 0.08% THD and Klipsch speakers are very efficient so it should be enough power. As for speakers, if you spend $600 on the receiver then you could look at the Cinema 10 setup or the RVX54 and still be reasonable on the budget.

The Cinema Series would be a good option. Small in size but BIG in sound. Cinema 6 - $600 w/o sub $950 w/ RW-8 sub Cinema 8 - $850 w/o sub $1200 w/ RW-8 sub Cinema 10 - $1050 w/o sub $1550 w/ RW-10 sub

The reason why I brought this up is because I just moved to a smaller place and got rid of my 27" TV, and some other bulky items. I've had my eye on the Samsung 243T, Sony Premero?, and the Apple. I'm kind of waiting for the price to drop a bit around $1000-1200. Dell has awesome LCD monitors 19/20's for around $500. They will introduce a 24" soon with a MSRP of $1200 or so. This will make other manufacturers drop their prices. I don't know if any of you have visited the Dell site before X-mas but they were giving away LCD discounts like they were infected with the HIV. I think this was some sort of manuever to rid themselves of old stock, when the new wave of 24" LCD hits us (when 21's become standard). Regarding the Apple Cinema Display, I've only seen the older mocel that is fixed (non-adjustable) so I kicked it to the curb. But the new ones are adjustable (with optional kit)

I can buy the cinema 6 system...for about 1200 canadian (950 us) and am wondering if thats a good price? Will i be able to connect these to my computer?

Some interesting replies - a few I do not think I agree with, but interesting all the same. I entitled the thread as I did simply because I see the redefinition of value within the audio realm - and it is the chinese that are doing it. More interestingly the High end suppliers over here are actually pleased - not upset - by this development. Talking to any of the retails and wholesalers at the show the same message comes across time and again - the High End is dead for business - there simply aren't enough people prepared to spend enough money to keep the dealers in business. As a result they branch out in a variety of directions - most common is downscale into HiFi rather than High End (usually means items with 2 or 3 zeros rather than 4) and/or into home cinema. Budgets for home cinema are actually higher than for the remnents of stereo hi fi. $3500 projectors, $4000 flat screen plazma TVs, $2500 surround sound processing amplifiers with $3000 speaker systems apparently sell well enough and are easier to shift than a $1200 amp. What is interesting about this Chinese invasion is that it is not only going after the territory conquered by the Japanese / Korean marks - but it is also "attacking" the high end Mark sees as almost immune to previous Japanese attempts. Think how many people already use Chinese tubes in their amps - and how many chinese tube amps are appearing around the place - for reasons probably to do more with the lower tech requirements than anything else - they, as opposed to the Japanese - are really after this marketplace. Of course when we are saying High End in this sense (or audiophile if you prefer) We are talking about European and American audiophiles and not those in Japan. It is quite a shock to see some of the items the likes of Sony, Yamaha et al build for their own market. European and American stuff is bought over there for its novelty value more than anything else. They have some horn designs that make Avantgard look plain - and obviously Japanese product dominates in similar, but opposite fashion to the trend observed over here. All in all it promises to be an interesting few years ahead of us I think. Now - on another subject entirely - who knew Music Fidelity make a turntable - and a high end one at that. Was at the show and I forgot to mention it the first time.

ok... couple issues I felt compelled to address here. I've been lurking for so long, I figure what the hey, maybe it is time to get into some debate. I make this strong statement as I have managed to obtain a Sunfire Theater Grand II and Signature Cinema Grand Amp Sure, except we're talking about receivers, not separates. Give me a JBL Synthesis THX preamplifier and EQ and 14 Wright Sound 2A3 PP's and I'll embarass your Sunfire. What's the point? My cash outlay would be in the neighborhood of about $25,000. No one here is arguing that separates are better than receivers, but Yammy puts out one hell of a receiver. If you were to buy a separate scaler that's as good as the one in the RXZ9 you'd probably be looking at something aroudn the cost of the receiver itself, maybe even more. Besides the gutsy amps and awesome processors, there's also the added flexibility of setting up and storing presets through a computer that can't be accessed through the normal OSD. I don't know where you're shopping scalers, but you can get some really nice scaling technology in the <$2000 range. Silicon Image's new iScan HD clocks in at @ $1200 and does a spectacular job of upsampling to 1080i. I know - I installed one on a projector system a couple months back - outstanding upsampling from 480i and 480p sources.

OMG - we are getting ripped of here in San Diego, CA ! Cinema 8 is priced at $1200 here... WTF?

heard the cinema 8 & 10 today. sounds pretty awesome, but pricey. the sats are not traditional sats. they are huge. i mean huge when you compare them to the size of others. you may want to go w/the rw-12 or as others have recommended. the price tag is what bothers me. upwards of $1400 for the cinema 10. you can pick up def tech (which i was very impressed with the sound) and jamo (a great value) for about half that price. then you can add a pretty decent sub to bring your total to two subs for $1100- $1200. as you can see in my sig, i don't own anything other than klipsch, so if it were me in the market for a sat system i would reluctantly stroke a check for the klipsch even though there are much better deals out there.

Thanks G-Money,and Fabulousfranky for the advice,the only problem is I"bought before I thought"I already bought the pair of SB-3's!!My reasoning was that it would be ok because they were synergy series as are my other speakers,now I feel pretty dumb!!What exactally is timbre matching,and how do you determine if speakers are timbre matched to each other? Tonite Im gonna take my system apart,clean everything up and tomorrow I'll hook everything up,I'll let you know how it sounds. Thanks again for the info, Paul Adcom 860 Adcom GFA555two Sunfire Cinema Grand JVC-DVD Sony RCD-W50 Hitachi VCR 4DTV Sat System Sony 8mm VCR Hitachi 60" projection TV Klipsch KSF 10.5 r&l front Klipsch C-5 center Klipsch-S-5 surounds Klipsch SB-3 back surounds 2 Paradigm P-1200 subs Monster THX certified speaker cable

Hey folks, The fellow that I bought my Cornwalls from runs a cinema supply company in Miami FL and has asked my help in getting rid of a JBL commercial cinema sub. It has two 18" JBL 2240-H woofers in a three chamber enclosure and weighs 250 lbs. Do you think the neighbors would complain? The spec. file and photo's are large so I won't post them here but if anyone is interested I can e-mail them to you. They are on the JBL website as well, the page is here: http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/4688.pdf. Also, he has an EV based theater array that was custom made for an AMC theater which, for whatever reason, wasn't picked up. This thing looks to be a three way-4 driver unit with a large woofer, a large mid-horn and two high freq. drivers. It would probably make an awesome center. This guy took extra good care of me on my C'wall purchase and actually refunded $175.00 of the $475.00 purchase price when he learned that the tweeters were blown, so he's pretty straight-up IMO. These speakers are interesting to say the least. If anyone is interested let me know. tony61@netzero.net

quote: Be sure to set the sats to SMALL in the reciever's menu.The ProMedia sats can be damaged if you dont cut the bass out.AT 80Hz the lowpass should prevent damage unless you drive the poor sats to high SPL. Aye, you'll get better sound, better efficiency and be less likely to hurt things. quote: A subwoofer is a must,the ProMedia sats need help down low. Yes again. I just use the promedia sub... you can hook it up to the sub-out on your receiver if you just get an adapter and use the volume/sub knobs on your preamp to set the sub volume. I also had to give the subwoofer channel a boost on the receiver since I guess it typically operates at a lower level than a full bandwidth signal (my speculation). quote: When you hear distortion turn the volume down.And use common sense. Yes. Like I said in my previous post, you're far more likely to blow a set of speakers with a 15 Watt amp that's cliping than with a solid quality amp that's running above the speakers rated input power. Like theEAR said, use your head and your ears... you can typically hear things that will be damaging. quote: no, i do understand. the problem would be the one time accidental push of the volume knob and boom. now you have a bunch of broken sats. I'm not convinced that you would blow your sats, however if there is going to be an overload point, it's going to be outside of the realm of reason. As in you'd really have to be trying to get that amp wide open to have a problem. And again like theEAR says, just use common sense. I'm running a Denon AVR-1802 to drive my sats and running the bass through the pro's sub as I describe earlier. I'm migrating the setup to a Paradigm Cinema series setup slowly, and found this to be the best way of doing with trickle cash as opposed to blowing $1200 all at once. -Q

Hi ALL, In the last six months I was closely watching this forum for all kind of helpful information about the right equipment for my future HT-madness. Thank you all for it. All decisions (read buys) made were influenced by internet info sources. For now, my setup consists of the following: Sunfire Theater Grand II 2.2 Sunfire Cinema Grand Amp for Speakers Sunfire Stereo Signature Amp for Subwoofers Denon DVD 2800 (Finally will be Arcam FMJ27) Thorens 2000 CD-Player Nakamichi RX202 for casette (only for car) Focus Enhancements Quadrupler Nec 6PG+ CRT-Projector Schroers Biga 200 Rack As 2001 begins to fade, so is my budget on HT-stuff. So all necessary purchases will have to wait until next year. :-) For now i would tend to the following speakers: Main Klipsch RF-7's Surround Klipsch RF-5's Center Klipsch RC-7 Subwoofers Dual SVS CS-Ultra's I would appreciate any comments/suggestions for Speakers and Woofers, because I am from Austria and haven't had the chance to audition any of those speakers. As I heard so many different opinions about Klipsch RF-Speakers, I dont know if this is the right choice. Please help.... After the great Sub shootout i think SVS is the best sub out there. True? I had some doubt about the Sunfire Signature because of their 1200 W/Channel/4Ohm. Could this blow the SVS? Only chance was to test the original RF-3 (first series), and IMO the bombed the big Snell X towers (6000 US$ here in Austria) out of the water (not at the bass, but everywhere else). And I have a Promedia speaker set, which rules for the PC. My HT-Room is about 15' x 14' x 12'. I think the HT usage will be about 75% rest will be just music. If you guys could help me, I would order the stuff right away, and be happy ever after. :-) Thank you all in advance Thomas P.S.: Special thanks to theears for giving up his private life and posting so many useful hints.

Ahh....the ole Cary SLP-70 ad. I think it just went down the other day. Regardless, I had about 15 people interested in that beast; it goes to show you what a good ad will do and that ad was about as over-the-top as they come. I think it's the only thing online about the Cary SLP-70, the preamp that was partnered with the original Cary 300se Monoblocks, the first real commercial single-ended amps to be shown to the public back in the late 80s. In fact, my other modified Cary SLP-70 is the actual preamp that was taken to the CES and other shows the year the Cary 300se monos were shown. It looks quite a bit different in the interior vs the stock unit. For those interested in seeing this page(the unit is under sale pending), I have it here: Cary SLP-70 w/ Phono and Outboard Power Supply All the pictures click to full 1200 pixel high resolution versions including closeups of the circuit. I have a loon in Quebec that is hoping to make this a late Christmas present. And then we have ye olde Kevin S and his double-blind listening test option. The odds are stacked big against me here as his system is about as unoptimized as you can get in several ways. It is a Home Theater setup (something I find ironic since these posts are occuring in the two-channel forum), but alas, I did say I could do it. I love his reliance on semantics for his retort; according to Kevin, I should just mail him the amp which is a fitting response given 95% of his postings I have read via this forum. There are certain people in here that I just dont see eye to eye with on just about any front and he is on that list. I guess a six hour drive is in order although I have heavy reservations concerning the validity of double-blind testing. We'll have to discuss that. For those interested in other opinions on the HTS-5000, I found the responses rather amusing over in Audio Review. It seems more than a few were rather displeased with the affects on their power amp. The same hold true for the HTS-3500. For now, take a look at this Q&A page at Secrets of Home Theater & High Fidelity. See Monster Cable's Factory response for more amusement: Q I just recently purchased Monster Cable's HTS 5000 Power conditioner/surge protector. I purchased it so that I could hopefully protect my gear, improve performance, and possibly eliminate a slight hum problem. The heart of my home theater A/V system is Sunfire's Cinema Grand, Theater Grand II, Sony's KL-53XBR45 RPTV, Carver TCBM-15 2x100 wpc, HHB 850 CDR, and Polk's PSW-1200. I have several other components (turntables, DVD, VCR, LD, Mixer/pre-amp, etc, but these aren't necessarily hi-end expensive). I have two concerns: First, a salesman told me that the Monster Conditioner could "limit current output," thereby weakening my system's performance. He said a previous customer complained about this problem while using Mark Levinson amps. Monster confirmed that it could be an issue..... The other concern is that I wish to plug all of my really expensive gear into this power conditioner. Can a typical home outlet withstand such a load just because it is run through a conditioner? The expensive components (amps, TV) all have large power consumption ratings (>300W). I would actually love to plug everything into the power conditioner, but I don't wish to overload the circuit... A If you want to plug everything into power conditioners, I would suggest buying more than one. It sounds like you would overload the single conditioner with all that equipment. I realize this is an additional expense, but it is minor compared to what you have spent on the components... f>s> While I dont find myself drawn to Home Theater sites, especially since I am not given to mixing audio and video, I found this post interesting. It actually doesnt really answer my points on the matter but it does illustrate the concerns, even those shared by the Manufacturer. I would take it one step farther and preclude plugging an amp into a single conditioner of this type, especially one of high voltage as the filter style is bound to affect sonics. kh This message has been edited by mobile homeless on 12-24-2001 at 11:16 AM

After unpacking the big center I had avery good surprise,Klipsch has two places to insert rear feet. These can angle the center down or provide good foothold on smaller TV's. I just set up the RC-7 on a 27" Toshiba! This is a heavy center,the TV cabinet holds good so far.Yeah yeah I am cheap and I use a paltry 27" Toshiba Cinema Series in my second HT system. The RC-7 tweeter looks like a metal grill!?At first I was thinking Klipsch forgot to install the dome!But no the tweeter works.The RC-7 has two ports like(size) the RB-3 on the back.And the same termminals as the RF-5(RF-7???still waiting ) The finish of the new RF series and RC-7 center is great.I am glad Klipsch now has some quality finishes on their speakers. When I conected the center to my bridged Celeste 4070(280W RMS into 8 Ohms),the sound came more natural then the rest of the RF series!The RC-7 tweeter(same as in the RF-7)is a big step forward over the lesser(still good) Klipsch tweeters. Sounds more like real voice then a Hi-Fi speaker! The RC-7 even at very high volume is very natural,never agressive.No trace of compression,the speaker is a whole,not a tweeter with mid-bass working. Very impressed with the RC-7 so far.And the speaker is not even broken in!After 150-200 hours it should sing. When I compare the RC-7 to all the other compact(more or less)centers from Klipsch I can say with no hesitation its the best sounding Klipsch center yet! With proper amplification(remember I use a $1600 amp just for the center)and if positioned with care,the RC-7 is an awesome bargain.Here in Canada it goes for $1200 plus tax and still I consider it a great buy. Way to go Klipsch,the RC-7 is winner.Now all I need is the RF-7's(same tweeter)to complete my Klipsch R series HT. TheEAR(s) Now theears

dang! Another Aussie fan here, looking to get a set. The only way seems to be to go the 4.2 route (2 2.1 sets) but that's what, about $1200?!?!? You're kidding. When the Klipsch site has them for US$299 (currently on sale), that's a max of AUD$600, say about AUD$700 including delivery. Where the hell is that margin going? If Altecs, Bose, and even the Klipsch cinema stuff etc can get sent into Australia, why not the Promedia? The reason I want Klipsch is their quality and insane power compared to other sets. Those reviews are amazing, but I can tell you people at Klipsch that you are definitely losing customers unless you find a way to serve the Australian market! It's ridiculous business ethics to ignore a potentially lucrative market just because the initial outlay is expensive. The scarcity of dealers and owners of Klipsch in Australia just makes you look ridiculous - unless you lose some money in the initial outlay to promote and expand into Australia! Good promotion will ensure that there is demand. Klipsch speakers can kick the PC stuff that's on the Australian market now, IF you can market it correctly. You won't do that with excuses that the intial delivery cost is too much, because then there's no point in moving any units in the Australian market. Don't just touch the water, jump in! Be prepared for an initial loss until the units start selling, then it becomes profitable and worthwhile.