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#1 smashwuf

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:22 PM

Photo of our rave system we call the "Big Bad Wolf", taken at Burning Man 2013 just before we broke it down to go home. This system operated full volume , 24 hours a day for 8 days with no failures in one of the harshest environments on the planet , and only used two 20 amp circuits on a small Harbor Freight portable gasoline generator. It produced 130 dBC of bass below 80 Hz and could still be heard at the trash fence a few miles away in deep playa, the outer boundary of the festival

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:12 PM

Very nice!



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:26 AM

That is soooo cool. Love the pic and would have loved to hear it in person.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:50 AM

Several DJ's reerred to it as better than a Funktion One, or a "Funktion One Killer"
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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:58 PM

That is bad a$$!!!



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:39 AM

REPRESENT!!!
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 12:53 AM

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:19 AM

where are the videos?


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 10:04 AM

Some pix on the web of the event http://totallycoolpi...rning-man-2013/ chris

also lots of cool pix of gear, mcm etc on their Facebook page https://www.facebook...wolfProductions

even one of m. colter

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:22 PM

Great pics, thanks for the link.


A Harmony One remote runs a............. Pioneer Elite KURO 150FD display. Anthem D2 pre-pro. 4 QSC PLX 1104 amps. Oppo BDP-80 Blu-ray player. Toshiba XA2 HDDVD player. IB sub with 4 Ascendant Audio 18" drivers powered by a Behringer EP-2500. 2 Klipsch Dean G'd RF-7's, 1 Dean G'd RC-7, 2 RS-7's and 2 RB-35's, all protected by a Furman Elite 20-PFi

 

Bedroom 1, Lascalas w/ ALK networks and Crites tweeters, Juicy Music modded Crown D-45, Njoe Tjoeb CD player and an Anthem TLP-1. Tuba 18 sub powered by a Behringer A-500.

 

Bedroom 2, Heresy II's with III upgrade, Carver TFM-15, Carver CT-6 and a Sony CDP C235.

 

 


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 08:17 AM

Some pix on the web of the event http://totallycoolpi...rning-man-2013/ chris

also lots of cool pix of gear, mcm etc on their Facebook page https://www.facebook...wolfProductions

even one of m. colter

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"Not to be taken away"? You do know they closed the funny farm long ago. :lol:


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Main amp: Integra DTA-70.1

Speakers: Left, Center, Right, Sides and Rear (6 total) La Scalas

Subs for HT mode: 2 KPT-684's powered by Yamaha P7000S

BluRay: Oppo BDP-93

Turntable: Rega P5 w/Ortofon 2M Blue

Projector: Epson 5020UB Screen: DaLite 130" HC Cinema Vision

Also in shop Fisher R660 and 2 80-AZ connected to front LaScalas

Front Scalas switched with Niles SPK-1

Subs for tubes: 2 Bill Fitzmaurice THT pwrd by Crown XLS-202

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 10:59 AM

Hi all, I' m restoring an old MCM 1900, here you can reed the whole story.

https://www.facebook...&type=1

I'm using the Techron TEF 12 acoustic analyzer to check the system.

I'm in great dilemma if to keep it up with original components (these are quite old and cheap design), as it could be like an historycal car, or to improve it with today components, with a complete redesign, retaining just the wood boxes, trying to achieve a "Turbo MCM", but of course losing its hystorical value.

I'm sure you all here know this system so I'll go directly to the questions.

Bass Horn MWM/S

The original specified driver is K43. It was good in the middle eighties, but is still good today?

Mmmh, I'm not so sure, because power capabilities is quite low in respect to actual 15" woofers.

Do you think it may be substituted with something of higher power/sensitivity/reliability, without affecting the overall bass sound quality?

Do any of you tried to change it with something else?

Do any of you know the T/S parameters of the K43?

Mid bass Horn MSSM

In this horn there is a Gauss 3181, but I know the original component is K41. Dont know how the Gauss was found in it. Do you know the parameters of this K41? It should be considered good as the Gauss?

Mid high Horn MSM

In this horn there are four K55V drivers on a manifold attached to a 2" K260 horn.

Do you think that this complex can be substituted with something newer, and if so, with what?

What do you think of single 2" phenolic driver on the K260? Do any of you tried to do this?

High Horn MMTM

This two horn with two K78 each. These starts at 6000 Hz hardly reach 16000 Hz and with about 108 dB sensitivity.

I believe that a single horn with two 1" drivers may do a better job, maybe starting at about 4 Khz. and reaching at least 20 kHz.

Sorry for all these questions, I would like to hear your opinions.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:09 AM

Wish I could help you Marcello....someone will come along shortly and answer. In the mean time welcome to the forum :)


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:34 AM

The original specified driver is K43. It was good in the middle eighties, but is still good today?

Mmmh, I'm not so sure, because power capabilities is quite low in respect to actual 15" woofers.

It's about efficiency. I am pretty sure these are 4ohm drivers and handle 50watts rms. IMO, they are still good today.

Do you think it may be substituted with something of higher power/sensitivity/reliability, without affecting the overall bass sound quality?

You are reinventing the wheel. These drivers are specifically made to be installed in these enclosures as well as the LaScala pro's. Increasing the power handling ability with a new driver with different T/S specs will change the characteristics of the bin.

Do any of you tried to change it with something else?

I'm sure some will chime in on this. I personally have not tried.

Do any of you know the T/S parameters of the K43?

If nobody knows the answer to this, perhaps you or somebody could take the measurements of the bin itself and calculate the driver needed. Keep in mind this is a horn loaded sub when making your calculations. I would think any driver which could replace either a K-33 or a K-43 would work fine.


Edited by mustang guy, 29 November 2013 - 11:34 AM.

Preamp: Integra DHC-80.3

Main amp: Integra DTA-70.1

Speakers: Left, Center, Right, Sides and Rear (6 total) La Scalas

Subs for HT mode: 2 KPT-684's powered by Yamaha P7000S

BluRay: Oppo BDP-93

Turntable: Rega P5 w/Ortofon 2M Blue

Projector: Epson 5020UB Screen: DaLite 130" HC Cinema Vision

Also in shop Fisher R660 and 2 80-AZ connected to front LaScalas

Front Scalas switched with Niles SPK-1

Subs for tubes: 2 Bill Fitzmaurice THT pwrd by Crown XLS-202

THT's Subwoofer controller Paradigm X30


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Posted 30 November 2013 - 04:51 AM

" I am pretty sure these are 4ohm drivers and handle 50watts rms."

Old ones were rated at 200W, new ones are 500W (improved adhesives).

I've used the old ones, four drivers series-parallel connected, on 1.8KW (program material) of Crest power with no failures (other than having to replace the tinsel leads, the new leads are better).


Edited by djk, 30 November 2013 - 04:53 AM.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:54 AM

" I am pretty sure these are 4ohm drivers and handle 50watts rms."

Old ones were rated at 200W, new ones are 500W (improved adhesives).

I've used the old ones, four drivers series-parallel connected, on 1.8KW (program material) of Crest power with no failures (other than having to replace the tinsel leads, the new leads are better).

I must have been thinking of the K-33. I thought the (old?) K-43 had twice the power handling.


Preamp: Integra DHC-80.3

Main amp: Integra DTA-70.1

Speakers: Left, Center, Right, Sides and Rear (6 total) La Scalas

Subs for HT mode: 2 KPT-684's powered by Yamaha P7000S

BluRay: Oppo BDP-93

Turntable: Rega P5 w/Ortofon 2M Blue

Projector: Epson 5020UB Screen: DaLite 130" HC Cinema Vision

Also in shop Fisher R660 and 2 80-AZ connected to front LaScalas

Front Scalas switched with Niles SPK-1

Subs for tubes: 2 Bill Fitzmaurice THT pwrd by Crown XLS-202

THT's Subwoofer controller Paradigm X30


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:53 AM

This is a picture of the newest MCM-4 setup. Old MCM bass bins, and newest mid-bass, and upper frequency horns. Also shown are the current KPT-684 subs.

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KPT-MCM-4 Grand + 2 KPT-684 subs, '73 Cornwalls (C DB 15), ' Single '77 LaScala (LS BR), '81 Heresys (HOL), '83 Heresys (HWO).

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:11 PM

mark1101 that is a Ultra Cool rig! :emotion-21: :emotion-29: :) chris


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 01:26 PM

Thanks. Basically I posted to show how Klipsch improved all the upper horns but kept the MWMs. Notice the mid-bass and HF horn are the same horn (K402). One uses an 8" driver with a can, and the other a 2" driver. The ultra-high freq horn (K510) uses a 2" driver as well.

This takes up a good deal of my basement but sounds better than any of the other Klipsch I've had.

I can only imagine how the "big bad wolf" sounds. It's a fitting name.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:30 AM

One uses an 8" driver with a can

The latest info on the mid bass MB-KPT-XII has a 12 in driver, is yours different having an 8 in driver? chris

http://www.klipsch.c...t-grand/details


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