HDBRbuilder Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Have you begun the veneering of the cabinets yet? Here is a suggestion...if the veneering has NOT begun: You may want to brace the inside of the cabinet PRIOR TO the veneering...here is why: fir is more subject to resonances and such because it is SOFTWOOD, and NOT HARDWOOD, like birch is...and softwood has more "flex"...even in plywood...and the object of bracing is to tighten up the flex. But, if you wait til the veneer is on the outer panels, instead of bracing beforehand, the act of bracing may cause what appears to be a good veneer job prior to the bracing, show separation at joints due to the results of stiffening the cabinet with braces. It is the nature of the beast when doing veneer overlays...so I suggest any bracing be done prior to the veneering. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Also more likely to scratch or damage your nice new veneer if trying to install bracing afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS121996 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 HDBR Great idea with the bracing, how much and where exactly? lol And I don't know what you mean by loop velcro dots. Just the dots that are soft and one sided? Anyone else have thoughts on what I should do? TY Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 The top and sides should be OK, where i would add braces would be over the woofer and to the side of the woofer. Connect the motorboard with the rear panel in those two places should make a big difference. If you want to add some damping material to the rest of the cabinet interior would not hurt either. Acoust-x Just roll on or brush it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS121996 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 So the veneer guy just got back to me. Quarter saw Oak or Walnut. The Oak is absolutely beautiful, and the walnut has some great character too. Then he's got to pull down the mahogany and IDK what else. Too many choices, I couldn't even get the pies right. LOL Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) I like black walnut...or Dominican Rosewood (good luck on finding any of THAT!) PWK also preferred black walnut. Pecan would look really nice. Edited April 8, 2015 by HDBRbuilder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) oak is definitely a good choice - walnut on the other hand is very resistant to damage Edited April 8, 2015 by Randyh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS121996 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) So the 3M tape on the back of the Pie badges doesnt hold very well to the new cloth. It popped with the slightest pull and didnt leave a mark. Pies are now opposing, they are propped up against the cabs for the pic Mark Edited April 9, 2015 by ZEUS121996 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Good deal, looks good. Not much sticks to that polyester material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS121996 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 So I picked up a pair of 77 CWs today. The plan is to swap out the woofers from those with the decorators. Since the woofers will be hiding behind the laser badges, the repairs wont bother me. And the 73s will look even better. Now I just need to keep people at least 5 feet away Mark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS121996 Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Since the grills are baltic birch, HDBR recommended I put pads on the back side of the grills to help prevent vibration. I picked these pads up at HD, they are about 1/4 inch thick. My plan is to put magnets under the veneer and magnets on the grills. Is there any reason I couldn't set the magnets inside the pads? The magnets are 3/16 thick so they wouldnt be touching the grill itself. Bracing is going slowly, fortunately or not, I'm getting busier at work TY Mark Edited May 29, 2015 by ZEUS121996 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I don't think the felt will be strong enough to keep the magnet in place when removing the grill. Unless you secure them in the felt somehow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivernuggets Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Is there enough Baltic Birch thickness to install the magnets flush with the grille surface, then epoxy over them? If they are rare earth magnets they'll need to be fastened securely. Or maybe you have solved the magnet issue already......? Edited June 2, 2015 by Rivernuggets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS121996 Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 The grills are thick enough, the felt pads on the back of the grills to reduce vibration are thicker then the magnets. So I'm trying to come up with a magnet thats at least a 1/4 inch thick so it could be attached to the BB inside the felt pads and be flush with the pads Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Velcro pads come in many sizes and work well, also they will keep your rattle worries at bay with much less effort than magnets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS121996 Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Jason I just dont want anything to show on the motorboards, so I want to put magnets under the veneer and on the back of the grills Mark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Decorators are a different cut list and assembly type. Notice that instead of a box with a motor board inset, the Decorator has a motor board that extends the entire height of the cabinet. Viewed straight on from the front, you see no end grain of the top and bottom panels. Possibly a stronger cabinet style but more difficult assembly. In finer veneers the look magnificent.Actually decorators were an EASIER assembly...and quicker, too!! It only took one builder to do either birch build, but the decorator only had glue blocks around its backside, which cut down on the time required to do the build. Someday I will do a video of how the decorators went together, and some of you folks will surprised how fast it was done! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Since the grills are baltic birch, HDBR recommended I put pads on the back side of the grills to help prevent vibration. I picked these pads up at HD, they are about 1/4 inch thick. My plan is to put magnets under the veneer and magnets on the grills. Is there any reason I couldn't set the magnets inside the pads? The magnets are 3/16 thick so they wouldnt be touching the grill itself. Bracing is going slowly, fortunately or not, I'm getting busier at work TY Mark Those are some THICK pads...the Velcro dots would be thinner and muffle any vibrations quite well, but you have to use many of them...but they are also CHEAP! Just be sure to use the LOOP dots, NOT the HOOK dots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktate Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 On my Scala trim I put metal tabs under the veneer and magnets in the base shoe molding. That way I could move the trim if it was off a bit.... the grill from Klipsch fits snugly inside the trim frame that I made.But with the veneer on the top section I usually just leave the grills off when listening. I got pics on the forum somewhere...I can never find them..lol . Rick Ps also make sure the magnets attract each other or it could be a problem. That's the main reason I used the metal tabs under the veneer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 ... also make sure the magnets attract each other or it could be a problem. That would actually be rather funny (other than having to fix it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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