minermark Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The word i heard on this guy was that he paid well into the 50K price range, what a friggin moron. Also saw on the news his practice was shut down. This guy better leave town and change his name, i see no other out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 This will be forgotten in a couple of weeks, or whenever the next big news story hits. If they have indeed found parts from MH370, next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steven1963 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Admittedly, i only read one article about this (USA Today); but, i don’t recall hearing anyone make the claim that the lion mattered more than a person. Granted, i believe some actually do think animals are more valuable than humans. but, i don’t see this as an either/or argument. i think we’re capable at being outraged at both atrocities. The topic was about the killing of a lion--so people are naturally going to talk about killing animals for sport. If someone is asking me why i hate liver, i’m not going to talk about yogurt. I'll take that as a challenge. But it'll have to wait until tomorrow as I need to get to bed. wow, you’re sure reading into my words…i wasn’t aware i issued a challenge. My bad, I guess. It looked like you were making an argument opposite mine, so I took it as you wanting to talk more about it in the context that I laid out. It is perplexing to me why this story has so much play while there isn't even a mention about the continued violence and death right here, every day, in our own country. Why is social media blowing gaskets over this story yet far more important developments go unnoticed, is beyond comprehension. Right now the news is reporting that people are protesting in front of his business and demanding that he be extradited to face charges in zimbabwe. Fine. But where is their outrage about all the really important shit that affects them personally? I don't know. Maybe it's just me that's lost my mind and I am the one not seeing things clearly anymore. Edited July 30, 2015 by Steven1963 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted July 30, 2015 Author Moderators Share Posted July 30, 2015 yeh. just don't see the sport in killing a lion. Well certainly not the Lion of the Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 He could have gotten more publicity if he had darted the lion then wrestled it to death. But put on a superman suit first. JJK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 yeh. just don't see the sport in killing a lion. Or any other animal "for sport" as far as that goes. It's a psychological defect, for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) To celebrate murder, death, destruction, and take proud photos with your murdered victims pretending it was prey, is a disease. For the God who created all things can these people be any different then a guy running a human death camp? It's ungodly. Edited July 30, 2015 by jo56steph74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzydog Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 This guy is playing it all wrong...he should have said that he was protecting all the Zebras, Gazelles, and Antelopes from being killed and eaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 As children, we ran around smashing bees with fat plastic bats for sport. Is there a fundamental difference? I agree that it's messed up how people react to some things, but not others. It's because we're a society that values entertainment as its highest principal. It's way more fun to talk about lions and spread uneducated opinions than to be faced with the reality of all the kids dying in Chicago....but hey, we don't want them there in the first place so who cares? Apparently several wanted that lion to stick around though.... And all these hunters doing it "just to eat". Seriously? That's just an attempted moral justification for the sport they enjoy. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy the sport, but don't try to kid anyone that eating is your motivation. The stories you guys tell about your favorite hunts are exactly the same motivation as this lion dude, and my childhood bee smashing sprees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 and my childhood bee smashing sprees. but i bet you grew out of that, right?LOL....you don't do it now, right?? killing stuff is a child-mind thing...you need to prove yourself. but when a person matures, they are supposed to develope a spirit inside to be more in harmony with the universe. to see the bigger picture and not be so selfish that you need to destroy life to get enjoyment. dead spirit...no spirit...numb spirit...thats what cause people to seek out and plan killing other lifes. when you plan such killing, and pay money and make such arrangements...its murder, not hunting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) As children, we ran around smashing bees with fat plastic bats for sport. Is there a fundamental difference? That's right. And we grew up. I killed a handful of birds with a BB gun. I killed a snake for its skin once. That's it. Those experiences, alone, made me realize I was not cut out to be such a selfish and cruel person. If a spider is in the house, I collect it live and put it outside. I just don't stomp it or spray it. Why kill it when I can save it? From my perspective, it's simply in the wrong place. It only needs to be relocated, and perhaps after that, we can both enjoy life more. That's my attitude. Edited July 30, 2015 by Jeff Matthews 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Unless it's a brown recluse. Then I have to kill it because it let me see it, and left to live will make more. But that is just the common sense of protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Also, as another example, I learned enough about snakes to understand how to tell which ones are poisonous and also, how to handle/catch them. I am not afraid of snakes. When I hear people talk of killing snakes, they usually are just ignorant. "The only good snake is a dead snake." I try to advise them that life is more complicated than that and that snakes are good and useful. I tell them how rare it is to encounter a poisonous snake. I have caught 1,000's of snakes throughout my 47 years, and in that same time-frame, I have probably encountered fewer than 10 poisonous snakes. Essentially, these people are killing harmless snakes out of a misplaced fear and pure ignorance. I tell them that all they have to do is take a small amount of time to learn which snakes are poisonous (there are only 4), and even then, the odds of encountering them are slim-to-none. The 4 poisonous snakes in America are: Rattlesnake Copperhead Water Moccasin Coral Snake It should not be too hard to know how to spot those 4. Taking the time would really improve their humanity and stewardship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 jeff matthews band, you got it so right. needless killing has no purpose. nearly all kids quickly mature out of this joy of death. a few reamain behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steven1963 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) This is my last post in this thread. I'm not posting this picture for shock value or for entertainment. I'm posting it because nobody knows the names of these men but everybody knows that lions name. Pathetic, IMO. These men were real; far more productive and valuable than any thousand Lions. They had families. Perhaps children. They're gone and nobody here in America batted an eye. Meanwhile, we want this Dentist's head on a spike.Somebody please wake me from this nightmare. Edited July 30, 2015 by Chad removed graphic image 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) This is my last post in this thread. I'm not posting this picture for shock value or for entertainment. I'm posting it because nobody knows the names of these men but everybody knows that lions name. Pathetic, IMO. These men were real; far more productive and valuable than any thousand Lions. They had families. Perhaps children. They're gone and nobody here in America batted an eye. Meanwhile, we want this Dentist's head on a spike. Somebody please wake me from this nightmare. I disagree. I am against killing humans, certainly as much as I am against killing animals. Now, remember a very big distinction here. There is justification for killing of humans when necessary for self-defense or defense of others. You can't compare that to killing animals for sport and pure pleasure. Sometimes, even animals must be killed in self-defense or defense of others. Edited July 30, 2015 by Jeff Matthews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Also, as another example, I learned enough about snakes to understand how to tell which ones are poisonous and also, how to handle/catch them. I am not afraid of snakes. When I hear people talk of killing snakes, they usually are just ignorant. "The only good snake is a dead snake." I try to advise them that life is more complicated than that and that snakes are good and useful. I tell them how rare it is to encounter a poisonous snake. I have caught 1,000's of snakes throughout my 47 years, and in that same time-frame, I have probably encountered fewer than 10 poisonous snakes. Essentially, these people are killing harmless snakes out of a misplaced fear and pure ignorance. I tell them that all they have to do is take a small amount of time to learn which snakes are poisonous (there are only 4), and even then, the odds of encountering them are slim-to-none. The 4 poisonous snakes in America are: Rattlesnake Copperhead Water Moccasin Coral Snake It should not be too hard to know how to spot those 4. Taking the time would really improve their humanity and stewardship. +10!!! LOL I wanted to put 2 likes on this, but i can't, so i can say yahoo! +10!!! LOL this is how grwon people are supposed to think about life, about nature. not sitting around planning on killing stuiff with bows ansd arrows!!! what a imature mind even tho he has a dental degree he is a functional imparired human.book smarty people are not always the best people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted July 30, 2015 Author Moderators Share Posted July 30, 2015 Well there is hunting domestically here in the US, none of the animals are endangered, all except varmints or pests are hunted for meat. It is taxed, they raise funds for conservation and lands. In Texas, most western states, Wyoming, Montana, the mid-west, Ohio, Michagan, and others like Wisconsin, a significant percentage of the population hunt. It has been passed down from generation to generation since before the founding. Then there is fishing is that different? I don't know. Then there is people who eat beef, chicken and/or pork. Is that different, maybe a little. Veal? Farm raised duck, goose, elk, venison? Leather shoes? I have boots made out of Ostrich, American Aligator, Elephant, Sting Ray, Ant Eater, etc.,etc. Ant eater became endangered way after I got my pair. Mink coat, fox stole, beaver, coyote hood ruff, baby seal. Should it depend on how beautiful the animal, how cut, how majestic? There is mointain lion hunting legal in many, many states. Texas and Nevada advertise for them, but the bast majority of the public do not know how they are hunted. It isn't a complex issue, it is more about when, where, and how you were raised. If you have a wolf or mountain lion eating your sheep, you are going to kill it. Who was the professional athelete who had to kill a lion with a spear at age 14 as part of his culture? I dont remember a huge outcry about that, maybe because that was more of a fair fight. In places where you really have to live off the land things are seen differently. It is a matter of degree, some see a huge difference between eating a veal shank and harvesting a deer. Others maybe not so much. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Well there is hunting domestically here in the US, none of the animals are endangered, all except varmints or pests are hunted for meat. It is taxed, they raise funds for conservation and lands. In Texas, most western states, Wyoming, Montana, the mid-west, Ohio, Michagan, and others like Wisconsin, a significant percentage of the population hunt. It has been passed down from generation to generation since before the founding. Then there is fishing is that different? I don't know. Then there is people who eat beef, chicken and/or pork. Is that different, maybe a little. Veal? Farm raised duck, goose, elk, venison? Leather shoes? I have boots made out of Ostrich, American Aligator, Elephant, Sting Ray, Ant Eater, etc.,etc. Ant eater became endangered way after I got my pair. Mink coat, fox stole, beaver, coyote hood ruff, baby seal. Should it depend on how beautiful the animal, how cut, how majestic? There is mointain lion hunting legal in many, many states. Texas and Nevada advertise for them, but the bast majority of the public do not know how they are hunted. It isn't a complex issue, it is more about when, where, and how you were raised. If you have a wolf or mountain lion eating your sheep, you are going to kill it. Who was the professional athelete who had to kill a lion with a spear at age 14 as part of his culture? I dont remember a huge outcry about that, maybe because that was more of a fair fight. In places where you really have to live off the land things are seen differently. It is a matter of degree, some see a huge difference between eating a veal shank and harvesting a deer. Others maybe not so much. No. If you kill to get excited like you scored a touchdown in a football game, it's bad... period. We are not taking up the debate between vegetarians and omnivores. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 This is my last post in this thread. I'm not posting this picture for shock value or for entertainment. I'm posting it because nobody knows the names of these men but everybody knows that lions name. Pathetic, IMO. These men were real; far more productive and valuable than any thousand Lions. They had families. Perhaps children. They're gone and nobody here in America batted an eye. Meanwhile, we want this Dentist's head on a spike. Somebody please wake me from this nightmare. Wow dude, sometimes your statements baffle me....Nobody knows their names because ISIS killed them, that's why. Nobody here in America batted an eye? Really? Pretty sure we are launching airstrikes on these morons on a daily basis. Not to mention we still have many troops on the ground in both Afghanistan and Iraq. These two "issues" if you will, are not even in the same ballpark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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