Four Letter Clown Car or Not?

[Wolfbane]

And no manual transmission???

 

see: https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/10/29/secrets-of-the-2020-shelby-gt500-revealed?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Daily_News_Wenesday_Oct_30

 

Perhaps the 350 is a better choice?

 

No affiliation!!

 

Wb

 

 

 

 

 

 

[K5SS]

DCT’s have better performance. The top performance Mustang should come standard with the top performing trans. I agree though, a manual option would be nice for those who like to row. 
 

To be honest, I’d just go with a 350R over the 500. The 350R will be worth more on the collector’s market down the road and it only comes with a manual. 
 

My current car has a DCT and it is way more engaging and fun than normal automatics. My next car, possibly a certified M2 Competition, will definitely have a DCT. 
 

This GT500 sure is impressive though. Just saw a video of one running mid 10’s in the 1/4, right off the assembly line. But if I had to choose, the upcoming Corvette ZO6 would get my money, if I had enough. Haha.

 

Best time ever, to be a performance car person! 

[Wolfbane]

7 minutes ago, K5SS said:

DCT’s have better performance. The top performance Mustang should come standard with the top performing trans. I agree though, a manual option would be nice for those who like to row. 
 

To be honest, I’d just go with a 350R over the 500. The 350R will be worth more on the collector’s market down the road and it only comes with a manual. 
 

My current car has a DCT and it is way more engaging and fun than normal automatics. My next car, possibly a certified M2 Competition, will definitely have a DCT. 
 

This GT500 sure is impressive though. Just saw a video of one running mid 10’s in the 1/4, right off the assembly line. But if I had to choose, the upcoming Corvette ZO6 would get my money, if I had enough. Haha.

 

Best time ever, to be a performance car person! 

 

My old Corvette (owned when I was a GM guy) had that high speed idle that big-block Pontiac and Oldsmobile fortunately never did. Plus the small block never had enough torque for me. It’s torque that gets you to speed quickly and HP that keeps you there.

 

 I only ever owned one Ford and it was a pain in the rear.

 

Bought a Honda a few years ago with paddle shifters that both my wife and eldest daughter (who has it now) refuse to ever use. I still like to row through gears and step on a clutch especially on a winding mountainous road with little to no traffic.

 

 I must admit the new Mustangs look good spec-wise on paper.

 

Wb

 

[CECAA850]

1 hour ago, K5SS said:

My next car, possibly a certified M2 Competition, will definitely have a DCT. 

I don't think that a standard is offered on the Competition.  I could have gotten a standard in my M2 but opted for the DCT.  My daily driver is a 3 pedal car and I didn't want another plus the DCT is faster and a hoot to play with.

[K5SS]

31 minutes ago, CECAA850 said:

I don't think that a standard is offered on the Competition.  I could have gotten a standard in my M2 but opted for the DCT.  My daily driver is a 3 pedal car and I didn't want another plus the DCT is faster and a hoot to play with.

I might have to pick your brain, when it comes time to pull the trigger but I am most likely a year out. The M2 is definitely on the short list. 
 

I have owned my Stage 1 Audi S3 about 3 years now and I still smile every time I get behind the wheel. I just really like car shopping, almost as much as speaker shopping:/

[CECAA850]

12 minutes ago, K5SS said:

I might have to pick your brain, when it comes time to pull the trigger but I am most likely a year out. The M2 is definitely on the short list. 
 

I have owned my Stage 1 Audi S3 about 3 years now and I still smile every time I get behind the wheel. I just really like car shopping, almost as much as speaker shopping:/

Anytime, just holler.  The M2 does just about everything right, I love driving it.  The Competition has a higher ceiling as far as HP goes but it's really not needed.  You can get the back end loose with a stock M2 as it is.  Of course that didn't stop me from tweaking mine but it's a blast right out of the box.

[RRR]

2 hours ago, Wolfbane said:

 

My old Corvette (owned when I was a GM guy) had that high speed idle that big-block Pontiac and Oldsmobile fortunately never did. Plus the small block never had enough torque for me. It’s torque that gets you to speed quickly and HP that keeps you there.

 

 I only ever owned one Ford and it was a pain in the rear.

 

Bought a Honda a few years ago with paddle shifters that both my wife and eldest daughter (who has it now) refuse to ever use. I still like to row through gears and step on a clutch especially on a winding mountainous road with little to no traffic.

 

 I must admit the new Mustangs look good spec-wise on paper.

 

Wb

 

 

Pontiac never made a big block.

[HDBRbuilder]

5 minutes ago, jason str said:

 

Pontiac never made a big block.

Big block 400...best engine Pontiac ever made...so yes they did!

 

[RRR]

4 minutes ago, HDBRbuilder said:

Big block 400...best engine Pontiac ever made...so yes they did!

 

 

Pontiac used the same block from the 287 to the 455.

[cincymat]

This,

 

0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds:

 

 

cincy

[Edgar]

16 minutes ago, cincymat said:

0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds:

 

My Kawasaki ZX-11 did it in 2.6 ... in 1990. And it only cost $7599.

[CECAA850]

6 minutes ago, Edgar said:

 

My Kawasaki ZX-11 did it in 2.6 ... in 1990. And it only cost $7599.

I'd rather be in a wreck in the Vette than the Kawasaki.

[BigStewMan]

1 hour ago, CECAA850 said:

Anytime, just holler.  The M2 does just about everything right, I love driving it.  The Competition has a higher ceiling as far as HP goes but it's really not needed.  You can get the back end loose with a stock M2 as it is.  Of course that didn't stop me from tweaking mine but it's a blast right out of the box.

i used to have a 528 and loved it ... wish i still had it. 

[Wolfbane]

1 hour ago, jason str said:

 

Pontiac never made a big block.

 

Depends on what your definition of big block is. The 389CI of the 60’s begat the 400CI engine The 428 begat the 455 engine.

 

From memory, as it’s been years since I bracket raced an old Trans Am:

 

The internals are different between the above four engines but externally they are all the same size. They also made a 326 and a unusual OHC six in the 1960’s.

 

 I modified a 4 bolt main forged steel crank 455 by over boring it forty thousands of an inch and topped with small cc’ 400 heads. Easily put out more torque than any stock performance 1970 Olds or Buick 455 and needed 100/120 leaded fuel to run.

 

Wb

[RRR]

2 hours ago, Wolfbane said:

 

Depends on what your definition of big block is. The 389CI of the 60’s begat the 400CI engine The 428 begat the 455 engine.

 

From memory, as it’s been years since I bracket raced an old Trans Am:

 

The internals are different between the above four engines but externally they are all the same size. They also made a 326 and a unusual OHC six in the 1960’s.

 

 I modified a 4 bolt main forged steel crank 455 by over boring it forty thousands of an inch and topped with small cc’ 400 heads. Easily put out more torque than any stock performance 1970 Olds or Buick 455 and needed 100/120 leaded fuel to run.

 

Wb

 

Different blocks period, that is the difference between a big block and a small block hence the name. Parts are not interchangeable.

 

 

[oldtimer]

Whatever.  European engines rock.  Alfa, BMW, Ferrari...

[Full Range]

In my youth ( late 70s ) we owned a mechanical workshop that specialised in hotting up road cars, and every 2 weeks we competed in 1/4 mile drags against the clock ( those days we  had carburettors ) 

 

Now that I’m a little older ( but still a rev head ) I have mellowed down a little and prefer the all round feel of driving enjoyment and fun car to drive over raw grunt 

 

Having said that and my recommendation may surprise you - because test driving this car surprised me on how good it is against a BMW

Its the Hyundai i30N - It’s warranty also covers the owner for casual racing on a racetrack 

Do yourself a favour and take a test drive if it’s available in the USA 

 

 

[JohnJ]

The V12s make a wonderful sound, and the acceleration in one of those old long and bespoked wheeled Jags is nice... Doesn't compare to me with a balanced & blueprinted 389 tri-power in a 65 GTO!! The instantaneous touque is exciting in more than one way.

[BigStewMan]

Four letter clown car ... i thought this thread was going to be about this 1975 Fiat X19 that i once had.  Fix It Again Tony didn’t hold true ... not even Tony could fix that thing. 

Wife NEVER let me forget that one ... if we were still together, it probably still would be a point of contention.

[Dr Morbius]

I'll stick with my Packard, No tickets for meeeeee!