Marvel Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 8 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Horns can actually output bass below their cutoff. I'm getting back to you. That WAS my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 11 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: It is his opinion….lol! I'm glad you find this forum to be free entertainment, Chief. I would also, if I were in your shoes. LOL If my "opinion" is factually wrong, then why did Paul create 4 ft. corners to Complete the K-Horn Mouth in his own home, while also writing about it in the Dope From Hope? Yes, a Khorn in a living room, against only a wall, is not as good as in a corner, especially since PWK recommended having "sealing flaps" for use in a corner to increase output above 300 Hz., aye? Also, why did everyone get on my case when I posted YOUR curves of the U-Jube NOT in a corner with it's 60 Hz. drop off? I just want to know the threshold of where and when fact suddenly is deemed to be public "opinion?" I had to build one of those false corners in order to move my Khorns to an apartment for a year in 1978, until my wife and I bought our starter house. Having and early influence of PWK in my teens, certainly got me going after the Physics of it all beyond just Consumer Music Enjoyment. My father's name was Paul. My only son's name is Paul. Paul Klipsch was the same age as my dad's mom (my most influential Grandparent born the same year as Paul Klipsch). Whether it's mere coincidence or divine intervention, I have certainly enjoyed the Paul connections in my life, and still do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Marvel said: I'm getting back to you. That WAS my point. Your point was made nearly false by mentioning "brick wall" and "rocking" as an adjective. It was clearly your fuzzy reading OPINION. Now go mount those 12" drivers into the Snail Horns I sold you for less than the cost of the lumber. Then you can start a thread when you measure them in and out of corners and show CURVES instead of mere WORDS, however Incomplete your data or points of reading might otherwise be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom05 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Moving a speaker from 1/8 space to 1/4 space alone will cost 3 db in LF response . Is Claude wrong in pointing out that the minus 3 db point will move to a higher frequency when Klipschorn is moved out of a corner? . Klipschorn serves us better if it can be placed into a good corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 7 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said: I'm glad you find this forum to be free entertainment, Chief. I would also, if I were in your shoes. LOL If my "opinion" is factually wrong, then why did Paul create 4 ft. corners to Complete the K-Horn Mouth in his own home, while also writing about it in the Dope From Hope? Yes, a Khorn in a living room, against only a wall, is not as good as in a corner, especially since PWK recommended having "sealing flaps" for use in a corner to increase output above 300 Hz., aye? Also, why did everyone get on my case when I posted YOUR curves of the U-Jube NOT in a corner with it's 60 Hz. drop off? I just want to know the threshold of where and when fact suddenly is deemed to be public "opinion?" I had to build one of those false corners in order to move my Khorns to an apartment for a year in 1978, until my wife and I bought our starter house. Having and early influence of PWK in my teens, certainly got me going after the Physics of it all beyond just Consumer Music Enjoyment. My father's name was Paul. My only son's name is Paul. Paul Klipsch was the same age as my dad's mom (my most influential Grandparent born the same year as Paul Klipsch). Whether it's mere coincidence or divine intervention, I have certainly enjoyed the Paul connections in my life, and still do. No one is questioning your loyalty to Paul. What I question is your absolute stomping on others opinions….with….wait for it….your opinion. That’s all. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 7 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Your point was made nearly false by mentioning "brick wall" and "rocking" as an adjective. It was clearly your fuzzy reading OPINION. Now go mount those 12" drivers into the Snail Horns I sold you for less than the cost of the lumber. Then you can start a thread when you measure them in and out of corners and show CURVES instead of mere WORDS, however Incomplete your data or points of reading might otherwise be. Tsk tsk. I’d like to see your data. I got mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 7 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Tom05 said: Moving a speaker from 1/8 space to 1/4 space alone will cost 3 db in LF response . Is Claude wrong in pointing out that the minus 3 db point will move to a higher frequency when Klipschorn is moved out of a corner? . Klipschorn serves us better if it can be placed into a good corner. Ask Claude to post a curve from his large data base to show this….🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom05 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: Ask Claude to post a curve from his large data base to show this….🤓 Is my statement not correct ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Chief bonehead said: No one is questioning your loyalty to Paul. What I question is your absolute stomping on others opinions….with….wait for it….your opinion. That’s all. OK, then, I should have said to Marvel: It's my OPINION that a Khorn against the wall is not as good as a Khorn in a CORNER that "completes the horn" as it was designed over 75 years ago to go below 60 Hz. at it's full effective length. One of the things I learned from Paul, who urged me to join the Audio Engineering Society, is that, I have a very low tolerance for bullshit in audio. Selectively allowed to exist on this forum from favored posters. Not naming names of course, because that would only be another opinion. However, this forum has less of it than many of the others out there for anyone looking. As to your "curves challenge," I'd like to see YOUR curves from 1977. I was 23 when I could finally afford Khorns, with my very first bank loan, while you were a 13 year old, new teen ager. It's not like we had free software, computers, and cheap omni microphones available back then for the task like we do now. So the average amateur, like me, has very few excuses for not having DATA to back up their "conclusions" so strongly and incompletely stated. I had Khorns for 30 years with a mono middle. I sold them in 2007 to get MWMs with K-402s with subwoofers. There's still a lot for me to learn about bass below 60 Hz. either way. LOL. besides all that, the Midrange is where we live, remember? And you designed way more Mid Horns than bass horns, last I looked..............................until very recently, of course. Also not an opinion. If my bullshit opinion was not deemed to be of higher quality than the rest of them, why do you even bother with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 7 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 7 29 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: OK, then, I should have said to Marvel: It's my OPINION that a Khorn against the wall is not as good as a Khorn in a CORNER that "completes the horn" as it was designed over 75 years ago to go below 60 Hz. at it's full effective length. One of the things I learned from Paul, who urged me to join the Audio Engineering Society, is that, I have a very low tolerance for bullshit in audio. Selectively allowed to exist on this forum from favored posters. Not naming names of course, because that would only be another opinion. However, this forum has less of it than many of the others out there for anyone looking. As to your "curves challenge," I'd like to see YOUR curves from 1977. I was 23 when I could finally afford Khorns, with my very first bank loan, while you were a 13 year old, new teen ager. It's not like we had free software, computers, and cheap omni microphones available back then for the task like we do now. So the average amateur, like me, has very few excuses for not having DATA to back up their "conclusions" so strongly and incompletely stated. I had Khorns for 30 years with a mono middle. I sold them in 2007 to get MWMs with K-402s with subwoofers. There's still a lot for me to learn about bass below 60 Hz. either way. LOL. besides all that, the Midrange is where we live, remember? And you designed way more Mid Horns than bass horns, last I looked..............................until very recently, of course. Also not an opinion. If my bullshit opinion was not deemed to be of higher quality than the rest of them, why do you even bother with it? Lol! Just remember bro. This isn’t audio karma. I’m going to have to find out where you got them cameras and mics…..🤓 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 7 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 7 59 minutes ago, Tom05 said: Is my statement not correct ? Your statement? Im sure it is But it’s been a while since I ran those kind of curves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 7 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 7 39 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: OK, then, I should have said to Marvel: It's my OPINION that a Khorn against the wall is not as good as a Khorn in a CORNER that "completes the horn" as it was designed over 75 years ago to go below 60 Hz. at it's full effective length. One of the things I learned from Paul, who urged me to join the Audio Engineering Society, is that, I have a very low tolerance for bullshit in audio. Selectively allowed to exist on this forum from favored posters. Not naming names of course, because that would only be another opinion. However, this forum has less of it than many of the others out there for anyone looking. As to your "curves challenge," I'd like to see YOUR curves from 1977. I was 23 when I could finally afford Khorns, with my very first bank loan, while you were a 13 year old, new teen ager. It's not like we had free software, computers, and cheap omni microphones available back then for the task like we do now. So the average amateur, like me, has very few excuses for not having DATA to back up their "conclusions" so strongly and incompletely stated. I had Khorns for 30 years with a mono middle. I sold them in 2007 to get MWMs with K-402s with subwoofers. There's still a lot for me to learn about bass below 60 Hz. either way. LOL. besides all that, the Midrange is where we live, remember? And you designed way more Mid Horns than bass horns, last I looked..............................until very recently, of course. Also not an opinion. If my bullshit opinion was not deemed to be of higher quality than the rest of them, why do you even bother with it? Because I don’t like it when you stomp on others with your supposed knowledge when I know that what you said is questionable or just flat out wrong. Like I said….this isn’t audio karma brother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 57 minutes ago, Chief bonehead said: Because I don’t like it when you stomp on others with your supposed knowledge when I know that what you said is questionable or just flat out wrong. Like I said….this isn’t audio karma brother. And you ain't Paul Klipsch, so what? And you know I'm not wrong about horns on walls, corners and no corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 7 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 7 20 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: And you ain't Paul Klipsch, so what? And you know I'm not wrong about horns on walls, corners and no corners. SMH…..welcome to bonehead land 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Bonehead Land Is that the new name for the Forum, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 15 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: SMH…..welcome to bonehead land Thank you for the invitation. 😊😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 8 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 8 5 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Thank you for the invitation. 😊😁 It wasn’t a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the real Duke Spinner Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 On 1/7/2024 at 8:10 AM, Marvel said: I'm getting back to you. That WAS my point. There is still output below a Horn Cutoff The question is how many dB down is it ..The Transducer does not know it' firing into a Horn. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 hours ago, the real Duke Spinner said: There is still output below a Horn Cutoff The question is how many dB down is it ..The Transducer does not know it' firing into a Horn. 🙄 Apparently the real question is "Will it still let us ROCK OUT on having them NOT in corners?" If it does, then no amount of factual feedback from Amateurs will suffice. Only fanboy emotional "testing" responses will be approved or retained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Music IS Emotional... :/thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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