Al Klappenberger Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Dean, Rats! I guess you win. I can't come up with any more smart-ellic counter insults this time!Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 You'll need to pool resources -- Bob and Craig probably have several they can let you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Al, I was going to use the one about how hard it is to stay on track with some one running out ahead lubricating the rails with snake oil, but you can have that one if you need it. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IB Slammin Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Just for fun! Thank you, Don ............... Piece, Love, and Sooooul...... Is there a smiley blowing a kiss? Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Bob, I think Dean is using the snake oil to fire the boiler. That's probably why all the black smoke on his OLD avatar! When you got such a big supply if it, why not use it for everything? Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 LOL Just exactly what IS snake oil anyways? Does anyone know the origins of the saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tofu Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 LOL Just exactly what IS snake oil anyways? Does anyone know the origins of the saying? Snake oil originally came from China, where it was used to as a remedy for inflammation and pain in rheumatoid arthritis, bursitis, and other similar conditions. Chinese labourers on railroad gangs involved in building the Transcontinental Railroad to link North America coast to coast gave it to Europeans with joint pain. When rubbed on the skin above the pain, snake oil brought relief, or so it was claimed. This claim was ridiculed by other rival medicine salesmen, especially those selling patent medicines. In time, snake oil became a generic name for the many medicines that were marketed as a panacea or miraculous remedy, whose ingredients were usually secret, unidentified, or mis-characterized, and mostly inert or ineffective. At best the placebo effect might provide some temporary relief for whatever the problem might have been. The snake oil peddler became a stereotype in Western movies: a travelling "doctor" with dubious credentials, selling some medicine such as snake oil with boisterous marketing hype, often supported by pseudo-scientific evidence. To enhance sales, an accomplice in the crowd would often 'attest' the value of the product in an effort to provoke buying enthusiasm. The "doctor" would prudently leave town before his customers realized that they had been cheated. W. C. Fields portrayed a snake oil salesman in My Little Chickadee (1940). The English musician and comedy writer Vivian Stanshall satirised a miracle cosmetic as "Rillago - the great ape repellent" and many of J. B. Morton's Beachcomber books and radio programmes included short spoof advertisements for "Snibbo" a fictional treatment allegedly tackling various unlikely human conditions. The practice of selling dubious remedies for real (or imagined) ailments still occurs today, with different marketing techniques. The term snake oil peddling is used as a derogotary term to describe such practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Mandaville Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 "Just exactly what IS snake oil anyways? Does anyone know the origins of the saying?" Probably one of the 'active' ingredients listed on the the bottles of cure-all elixirs that were pawned off on unsuspecting patrons of get-rich-quick shams in the 1800s. Snake oil was probably advertised as something that could cure everything from impotence to blindness. Sounded impressive; did absolutely nothing. The advertisements on Cardas interconnect cables are just as bad (I'm not knocking the cables, which I'm sure work fine). The descriptions of the wire is what's kind of snake-oil-esque. Erik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 "Just exactly what IS snake oil anyways? Does anyone know the origins of the saying?" Probably one of the 'active' ingredients listed on the the bottles of cure-all elixirs that were pawned off on unsuspecting patrons of get-rich-quick shams in the 1800s. Snake oil was probably advertised as something that could cure everything from impotence to blindness. Sounded impressive; did absolutely nothing. The advertisements on Cardas interconnect cables are just as bad (I'm not knocking the cables, which I'm sure work fine). The descriptions of the wire is what's kind of snake-oil-esque. Erik Snake oil for impotence. Perfect name. I wish I thought of it. I need to use that phrase at work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I like the "Smoke and Mirrors" analogy better. I did the AKfest last spring and the guy from Elusive Disc had all the goofy cable risers and other "Smoke and Mirrors" type goodie's for sale. I dubbed him the 'Smoke and Mirrors man" Later him and Tyler(customer of mine) came down to my room to tell me that "Smoke and Mirrors" really does work. They explained that you Smoke a little, then sniff a little off a mirror and the music truly does sound better[] Of course I told then well I wouldn't know that. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 "Consensus is the absence of leadership" We were using asprin for over 100 years with no understanding of how it worked. What year was the Nobel prize awarded for this work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Well, that's pretty much my plan -- to keep building them the way I do with no understanding of why they sound better than everyone else's. Ha! Dennis set me up for the slam dunk! I'm outta here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 "Consensus is the absence of leadership" We were using asprin for over 100 years with no understanding of how it worked. What year was the Nobel prize awarded for this work? Sounds too easy doesn't it. There are many things like that. Such as, "What the hell is a hangover"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Lynn recently started this post that was directly helpful to me. It also prompted a lengthy, and generally civil, discourse. You will be sorely missed. Thank you for keeping the spirit alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Yes Neil, I remember this. I think it was Lynn's last great discussion here. 10/13/06 this thread was born. A simple request that netted quite a discussion, strangly enough, most of it civil. I too learned a lot from this particular thread. Lots of the regulars joined in on this one as it was a very popular topic for us all. I find it amazing that even with his prognosis, which couldn't have been good, that Lynn was still striving for audio perfection and helped us all along the way. Pretty cool in my book. Amy, could you maybe 'pin this one up for a while'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Guys, You can credit this thread with getting me to anounce the price cut on my Universal network design too. I was asked to justify why I used Hovland Musicaps in that network rather then something less extravigant and passing on the savings. I really couldn't do it! "Snob appeal" just is NOT a good enough reason!Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Al, I would of rather seen you leave the Hovlands in the universal and add them to the ES crossovers at no additional cost[6] Like I said before I must be a snob[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Craig, What's the price of a 91 uF Hovland Musicap for the ES400? There's another small detail with the Hovland 2.2 uF in the ES5800, they are too big to fit on the board! I know! Details, details! Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieHeartKlipsch Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Have you guys been arguing or debating about these for 14 pages? Exactly how much difference does it make or does it?? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Have you guys been arguing or debating about these for 14 pages? Exactly how much difference does it make or does it?? J. Surely you jest, if THESE GUYS argue about it, it MUST mean something. We just havent figured it out yet... M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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