Cut-Throat Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I washed my garage today. My neighbor lent me his power washer. It was interesting to me that the Power Washer had a 2 prong power plug, but it had a GFCI built into the plug, complete with re-set button. They were not taking any chances. They knew that while you were power washing a garage floor, you were standing in water and the danger of electrocution was many times greater than listening to an audio system. Their solution was a 2 prong plug with GFCI. There are a handful of individuals here that are always looking out for our safety. Hopefully they will chime in with as much enthusiasm for GFCI protected circuits as they did campaigning against 'cheater plugs' - So the safest and cheapest solution to defeat a ground loop problem is to lift the ground of the power plug with a 'cheater plug' and to install a GFCI circuit on the outlet or the Circuit Breaker itself. According to the NEC (National Electric Code) you will be far safer than anyone listening to their stereo with a 3 prong grounding scheme without a GFCI. Saving us all from Audio Electrocution - One of the biggest problems affecting Audiophiles in the World Today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brac Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Two Words= DOUBLE INSULATED!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White_Hawk Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 interesting - and it seems to be a simple and safe fix! I'll be interested to hear what other's opinions are =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Well, yeh. As long as you use audiophile quality cheater plugs and GFCI circuitry. [] What a waste to have a nice high dollar A/C cord for the CDP and then plug it into a cheap two prong adapter. But, wait, brilliant pebbles to the rescue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 That is shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Wow, why do I not feel like I'm in kindergarten again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Does anyone know which one actually sounds better..........a cheater plug.........or a GFI ? [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 It's a 2-3-3-2 problem. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 RIP Gary Thain and Leslie Harvey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev313 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 RIP Gary Thain and Leslie Harvey. Didn't Gary Thain die from a heroin overdose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted April 22, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 22, 2008 Wow, why do I not feel like I'm in kindergarten again? Because it's only been a few years since you were there, said the old guy ! [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted April 22, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 22, 2008 Does anyone know which one actually sounds better..........a cheater plug.........or a GFI ? The gold plated cheater plugs are what's recommended ![8-|] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Hey........what if you plugged a cheater plug into a GFI ? Would that be the ultimate protection or a hazard? Edit: UH........nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Where's fini? He would get a charge out of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Saving us all from Audio Electrocution - One of the biggest problems affecting Audiophiles in the World Today! Saving us all from audiophile elocution-One of the biggest problems affecting audio today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Unfortunately, some people still don't grasp the fact that devices designed and sold with a two prong plug are manufactured differently than a 3 prong device. ( NOTE: to those home-brew amp makers this does not apply apparently ) Two words... double insulated !!!! Best two word sentence ever. Removing or defeating the safety grounding pin does not magically transform your three prong plug into a two prong'd device with double insulation. It does however increase the chances that you may get a shock from an internal fault, just like drinking and driving increases your chances of wrecking your vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryO Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 "Shock therapy" Hellova way to start the day. 117v and caffeine!! Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut-Throat Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Unfortunately, some people still don't grasp the fact that devices designed and sold with a two prong plug are manufactured differently than a 3 prong device. ( NOTE: to those home-brew amp makers this does not apply apparently ) Two words... double insulated !!!! Best two word sentence ever. Removing or defeating the safety grounding pin does not magically transform your three prong plug into a two prong'd device with double insulation. It does however increase the chances that you may get a shock from an internal fault, just like drinking and driving increases your chances of wrecking your vehicle. What you fail to grasp is that defeating the safety ground with a cheater plug and adding a GFCI to the circuit is far SAFER than using a 3 prong plug without a GFCI. - You happen to be what is called a 'Right-Fighter' rather than offering any useful information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSport Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 will the GFCI be faster (I know they're fast) than a plug designed to be double insulated that is always double insulated???... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 "Hey........what if you plugged a cheater plug into a GFI ? Would that be the ultimate protection or a hazard?" I can't tell you to use a ground lift with a GFI for legal reasons. (but that actually works quite well) The GFI does not need a ground to work properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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