Travis In Austin
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6 hours ago, wrwrobel said:
They have gone unused for at least ten years should i be worried about the capacitors drying out? Can they be replaced?
Easily, contact @JEM Performance or @Deang
They may not need it, they can tell you how to find out.
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Locked, due to spam, if OP wants to reopen PM me
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Locked because it is a spam magnet.
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2 minutes ago, billybob said:
Welcome @Toby001 ...think you will find Baltic Birch plywood.
I think that’s right, but Andy and Jim Hunter have said that it was primarily American spruce ply with Baltic Birch ply for things like motor boards. But I can’t remember what time frames they were talking about.
For sure it would change from time to time, I guess because of availability and pricing?
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On 6/26/2018 at 3:23 PM, babadono said:
Yes Sir room treatments, check. I am certainly not finished but at least to the point where when time is available I can start taking measurements. I am using some preliminary settings I got from ChrisA for the Jubes with TADs. I've got a new laptop, the UMIK, REW and the Xilica app.
They sound fantastic, the 402 horns are amazing. The stereo soundstage is so wide. And the lower registers from the LF cabinets make me think there is/was something wrong with my KHorns and LaScalas that I need to investigate. Like maybe the back chambers for the woofers are leaking or??
So this thread crossed my path when looking up Clean Box Pro that @dtel used to solve an issue.
But what I really want to know is if @babadono misses the pellet stove?
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I think it was more about line level matching between pro balanced and unbalanced. But it may handle him also, don’t know.
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I have heard nothing but great things about these if there are what I’m thinking they are. I think @dtel got one when he hooked his pro active crossover with balanced I/O to consumer amps (RCA) and there was hum. It killed the noise/hum and all was good.
Travis
PS: Yep, as I remembered, you can do a search for the term clean box pro and you will find comments on what it can do.
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I have heard nothing but great things about these if there are what I’m thinking they are. I think @dtel got one when he hooked his pro active crossover with balanced I/O to consumer amps (RCA) and there was hum. It killed the noise/hum and all was good.
Travis
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Locking this because it is a spam magnet.
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Some updated information from the JEM Performance Website:
https://jemperformanceaudio.com/capacitor-kits
Available Capacitor Kits
The following is a list of the capacitor kits that are currently available. Kits marked with a * are high frequency only kits. They do not contain the woofer capacitors. The woofer capacitors are shunting capacitors and are not in the signal path. They were very well made and rarely need replacing. Please call 412-401-6915 for kit pricing information or email me at theaudioroom@verizon.net.
A B
AA B-2
AB B-3
AB-2 E
AK* E-2
AK-2* Heresy II
AK-3* Forte
AL Forte II
AL-2 Cornwall II
AL-3 Chorus
KG-4 Chorus II
Quartet
Capacitor Kit Installations
If you do not feel comfortable installing the capacitor kit yourself, I offer installation of the following kits:
A - AA - AB - AB2 - AK* - AK2* - AK3* - AL - AL2 - AL3 - B - B2 - B3 - E - E2 - Cornwall II - KG4
*indicates high frequency kit installation only - NO woofer capacitors. These networks contained high quality foil capacitors that rarely need servicing. It is also best not do remove the woofer door where these capacitors are located as you will need to re-seal the woofer door and check for leaks after removal to insure the woofer horn is air tight.
If you are interested in this service, please contact me at theaudioroom@verizon.net for pricing and turn-around time.
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I will contact you directly about the parts and the turntable, thank you for your time Jim.
Travis
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By the way, what brands it turntables do you carry, cartridges?
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This is the contact info I have from another thread, is this still current:
I don't have much time to respond to questions via this forum but I can be reached during normal business hours at theaudioroom
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Thank you for the response.
do you sell Klipsch parts other than Calicut or kits such as drivers, woofers, diaphragms?
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Has anyone seen @JEM Performance recently, I have a technical question for him.
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2 hours ago, Ted Price Jr said:
Do you have klipsch license plates available? If so, how much are they and would it be possible to get a picture of one.
I believe they are for sale in the Klipsch Museum shop, @dtel's wife should know for sure and have a photo, mockup
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8 hours ago, diamonddelts said:
Ok, so I can safely assume if I order a diaphragm repair kit I will get the cover with connectors on one side and the diaphragm on the rear side. If so, i will place an order on Monday. Thank you very much for answering my rather mundane questions on this.
Maybe @Chief bonehead will be around here this weekend to verify this. Not sure if ACE will be open on Monday, nothing around here is except HEB and firework stands.
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On 6/28/2023 at 9:02 PM, diamonddelts said:
As for cinema use, the 402 horn just does not control and project the dialogue as well as the 510 horn in combination with the 402 horn. That was made painfully clear to me over the last few months. As for the drivers that I've been tinkering with, I know these Celestion Axi 2050s do not have the specially designed phase plug from Roy. My thoughts on these drivers were simply mirroring what the reviewer said. They need some serious boosting above 5khz. Not a big deal and not the end of the world. No driver is an end all, be all. And every driver design has compromises. These are still some of the best drivers I've heard out of the box.
If I had never heard the 3 way Jubilees, I would be sold on a 2 way setup and never look back. But the 3 way is the more effective solution for movies and playback in a larger room. The synergy between the K-1133HP and the K-691 is something special. I can't put my finger on it because either driver on it's own is nothing special on paper. And I definitely feel the K-691 can be improved upon hence my incessant tinkering.
Roy has been teaching us at Jubefests and other venues why in Professional Cinema they offer a similar product in a 2,3 and 4 way, it is strictly a matter of power, getting the sound to the rear of the venue. (A two-way, with a 2" mid CD, will beam the same as a three-way with 2" CDs, and the same as a 4 way with 3 2" drivers). So all he needs to know for pro-cinema is: How large is the cinema? All he needs to know is the depth and width, the depth is going to tell him whether it is going to require a 2, 3 or 4-way, and the width is going to tell him how many systems will be required across the front 3 (LCR), 5 (L, LC, C,RC, R). It's strictly a matter of the power required, for deeper rooms it requires more power and a 2-way or 3-way won't be able to handle it. With DSP he can cross it over without loss of speech intelligibility or high end. Since the UG 2-way had more than enough power to handle a typical home environment that's what it was. Then Roy got his hands on TAD be CDs and made those available and that helped with some of the HF limitations the K-69 had.
But all 2" compression drivers start to beam at 7 Khz, even if you could get away with a 1" CD for the HF, it still starts beaming at about 13 Khz, This is born out by the measurements of Joseph Crowe you posted above (which were with his horn, and passive padding). I think the main reason the Axi was chosen is the low distortion (the result of the massive 5" voice coil) and that he could get the beaming up way above 7 Khz with his external extended phase plug. The two top design principles of PWK for accurate reproduction, low distortion and controlled directivity.
I don't know how large the room is you are talking about, but when the demonstration pair was sent around the country to various dealers (this was the same pair we heard in Hope), they were sent to a dealer in North Carolina where they were set up for 2 ch listening in a home type environment, and then they were taken to a 400 seat auditorium (Lincoln Theater) where they served as the PA for a live band and, apparently, the dealer was floored with the sound. I can't imagine them having trouble handling a residential media/listening room with a depth of up to 40'.
But there have been a few people who went with 3-way (Jubilee 535-B). The one with the most experience on that, Mark, has since gone back to two-way. It may be that it's just your preference, or it could be variables in play when you heard the 535-B, etc.
On 6/28/2023 at 9:02 PM, diamonddelts said:Depending on how the other drivers sound, I might have to go back home to JBL and buy the M2, Everest, or SCL 1 speakers.
You are not going to be happy with the Everest, not if you prefer the horn-loaded bass sound of the Jubilee. Once you get acclimatized to horn-loaded bass there is just no going back (at least for me, and many others I have talked to). It is the only thing that produces natural bass sound. I have a lot of experience with the Everest, and even though it provides adequate low-end for music, it's a direct radiator and just doesn't sound natural to me. The M2 is also a great-sounding speaker, but you are going to have significant low-end disadvantages with that as well. A 15" woofer, to get down to 30 Hz (it's 10 dB down at 20) is going to have to move, a lot, there is just no way around that, and there is distortion associated with that.
What size is the room that these are going in to? If you mentioned that in another thread I apologize, I may have missed it. You are in central Texas like me, right? If you get me those dimensions and/or layout, and a few photos (you can PM them to me), I will see if we might be able to have @Chief bonehead take a look and can explain why you are having a preference for one over the other, room acoustics, and what's going to work best. Maybe it works out we can just take a road trip to Hope, have Jim Hunter walk us through the Museum, and explain the evolution of PWK's four design principles, and then take Roy to lunch and he can explain how those 4 things (low distortion, controlled directivity, controlled frequency response, and dynamic range, in that order) translate into the best sound, what the UG 3 way had to offer vs. Jubilee and how to account for certain things you are hearing. The 402 is his horn, the 510 is his horn, the mumps for the 510 is his patent, the Jubilee LF is his patent, the patent-pending phase plug will be his patent, he selected the 1133HP and the 691, designed the phase plug for the 691, in other words, he is familiar with the all of the things they considered in making those choices, why there is magic you are hearing with 691/1133HP MF/HF, what the limitations/compromises are with that compared to the Jubilee. It may be your personal preference, or the room- higher directivity of those driver-horn combos, and/or psychoacoustics.
Travis
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4 hours ago, Travis In Austin said:
As far as the history of it all, there is an excellent exchange between @mikebse2a3 the very first buyer of the UG and@Chief bonehead where they discuss the history and what led to Roy making them available. It was during a Bonehead Class on the Jubilee, at the Museum Visitor Center and it’s on the Museum YouTube Channel. I will put a link in below.
Some great history and some laughs
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2 minutes ago, Flevoman said:
Ha ha.. I'm not the one who squeezed the Jubilee into the corners of my room.
So who's the intense one here 😉I live in Almere, which is a city bordering Amsterdam.
But are we Dutch people intense about our audio?... Seriously, I have no idea if this is true.
Coincidentally, a few days ago i got in touch with another Dutch person through this forum , and I definitely see him as intense. He builds and modify his own La Scalas and Klipschorns and seem to have a tremendous amount of knowledge.Everyone I have every met.
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7 minutes ago, Flevoman said:
😂😂... I'm already struggling with the acoustic and my new lascalas
Where in the NL? Did I ask you that already?
You guys are intense about your audio, and even more stark raving madd about your Klipsch.
My friend @Timmikid has proven that time and time again.
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4 hours ago, wuzzzer said:
Those links work fine for me.Thank you and @Ceptorman.
Well that's three from Texas (which is all that matters anyway), one from CO/AZ, one from Midwest (MN) and one from TN (where I hang my hat). That's enough of a sample for me to call it. Unfortunately, @carewser it is on your end somewhere and I wish I had more to offer you other than try another browser if you can.
I seriously doubt it is a Canada/US Company interface issue, after all you are our 2nd largest trade partner and you are not clamped down like China or Iran, at least the last time I was there. But . . . hey @Islander when you see this can you please check to see if the links above work for you, and if so, if you have ever experienced anything similar to what the Carewser is experiencing with the KGI website, or with your ISP up there? (Y'all are in the same neck of the woods I believe).
Other than that, I don't think there is anything left to do on this.
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3 hours ago, PrestonTom said:
This is not meant to be controversial. It is simple curiosity on my part.
In the beginning there were Jubilees sold as a three-way version to the professional community.
The three way (the 535) was specified by one particular national movie chain who I understand bought a lot of ‘em. Not sure what, if any others found their way into other professional uses.
Later there was a two-way version with a reconfiguration of drivers and DSP settings for the crossover could be obtained. With difficulty, sometimes veneer could be ordered for the front panel. In my mind these are the "Jubilees" (although some call them "underground Jubilees"). Roy has officially designated them the Underground Jubilees, to distinguish them from the current Jubilees.
3 hours ago, PrestonTom said:
They made a splash with home users. I owned some and they gave me years of pleasure. Apparently Klipsch has ceased production on both the 2-way and 3-way versions.
They were discontinued about two years ago, Cory bought the last remain 3 or 4 pairs left and those have all been sold. The movie chain had Roy come up with something else, or were not building theaters any longer that suited the design. The ones in the photos with PWK at CES are in the Miseum, the prototypes for the newer build of the Bass Bin, about ‘07 -‘08, were owned by Cory and he donated them to the Museum.
Within the last year the Jubilee was substantially reconfigured, some cosmetics added, and the result is currently called "Heritage Jubilee". It hard to tell from photos, etc. It’s essentially a whole new speaker. Same 402 with cosmetics, painted horn (process developed for that to work), and matching wood trim, driver with an extended phase plug (patent pending that gets around the beaming issue with CDs, it doesn’t start beaming until much higher. The patented bass bin is completely different and goes down to 18hz. It’s a vented horn, dual driver, with distortion significantly less then the the already low UG, which was significantly lower than the Khorn.
3 hours ago, PrestonTom said:
My understanding is that this Heritage version is in two forms. a limited production "anniversary edition" with some extras (special veneer and goodies) and a "regular" version without the extras and at a slight cost savings.
There was a 75th Anniversary, limited to 75 pairs (teak with lambs wool) a special limited edition “1 of 1” which will be released in September, and the regular edition. I believe the 75th Anniversary is sold out, but don’t quote me on that. The 75th Anniversary was $40K, don’t quote me on that either, and the regular Heritage Jubilee is $38K. Cory would know much more about that then me.
I'm being long-winded since newer members may be unaware of the evolution. (I think I have recalled the history accurately). right down the center of the fairway, you were there when it was the Wild West.
3 hours ago, PrestonTom said:So my questions: How many of the Anniversary versions have been sold? It looks like the regular version regular is in production and about how many of those have been sold? I don’t know for sure, and I don’t ask. As I said earlier, I believe the 75th is gone, but don’t quote me. I also believe there was a backlog on the regulars as of two months ago. What that translates into numbers sold, couldn’t tell you.
3 hours ago, PrestonTom said:I understand there is a reluctance at giving anything other than very rough numbers.
The reason I ask is IIRC, there is just a single regular participant on the forum who owns the new Heritage Jubilee (a regular version, NOT anniversary). With other updates, there has always been a beehive of activity from the new owners talking about their updated versions, but I'm not seeing that.
-Tom I think that’s right Tom, Mike, who has responded. There have been a couple of others on the Forum who indicated they were taking a deep dive and were seriously considering a purchase.
BBut these go all over the country, and all over the world. A guy in Spain pre-ordered 6 for his 5.1 system (they are only available in matched pairs), so there may 1 cheap in Spain somewhere.
I can’t remember the official number of UG jubilees sold was, as tracked by Coyte/Richard, but there was a good number who bought them when they were not on the Forum. When Cory started selling them in addition to ACE, there were people who bought the UG from PHT who never stepped foot in here (or don’t post) and still haven’t. I don’t think there is any correlation between discussion/no discussion and sales and you can’t compare the Heritage Jubilee with the UJ. The Jubilee is sold through Heritage Dealer network, and the UJ was sold by a cinema equipment dealer until Cory came along in 2015, 2016? This was pretty much the only place to know about them until Cory’s Facebook pages.
As far as sales, I have heard from a couple of people that Jubilees sales are exceeding their forecasts, especially in light of their price point and economic downturn.
As far as the history of it all, there is an excellent exchange between @mikebse2a3 the very first buyer of the UG and@Chief bonehead where they discuss the history and what led to Roy making them available. It was during a Bonehead Class on the Jubilee, at the Museum Visitor Center and it’s on the Museum YouTube Channel. I will put a link in below.
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5 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:
Works for me.
Thank you Zen.
Older vs newer Klipsch, new member.
in 2-Channel Home Audio
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The IV measures better, and has better coverage. All things being equal it will sound better to most people (preference), however, it’s certainly true that in any individual room a speaker can certainly perform differently.
Initially, to me, the 1 sounds Ned’s better than the III, but that was sighted, subjective. Blind testing a I and a IV there was a clear difference I preferred the IV in two tests on two days.
All the professional literature, Heyser, Toole, Olive, Olson from the 40s, up to the present says that we all are going to tend to prefer what we are used to. To really know you have to control for bias. Level matched, source material, same room, ability to switch back and forth quickly, and preferably be blind. That takes a tremendous amount of work.
Travis