Guest davidness Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I noticed this picture in the Sept issue of Architectural Digest featuring Will & Jada Smith's house. Cool speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 JBL Everest? They look similar but not quite the 66000 model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjd Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The speakers look like a nice clone, similar to the TAD 2401 in this link, but with a tweeter added. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Professional/Pro-Speakers/MODEL+2401 http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43915 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Looks more like some Westlake Audio speakers..., but have the jbl tweeter. http://www.westlakeaudio.com/Speakers/Professional_Series/reference_series.html Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorjen Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 They look like all TAD. The tweeters are ET-703's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjd Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The speakers look like they are clones of the George Augspurger TAD studio monitors with the ET-703 as Jordan noted above. I couldn't remember "Augspurger" earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFord Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I've never understood the logic of mixing on speakers like that, way way way too loud, and makes everything sound "pretty good". Dandy for impressing a client with how wonderful they sound, but in 5 minutes your hearing is altered for the rest of the day. OTOH for just rocking out, they can spoil you real fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 way too loud... Mike,You are assuming they have playback levels set very loud? Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFord Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 way too loud... Mike,You are assuming they have playback levels set very loud? Bruce Not assuming, I've been in many studios and they are way too loud. You have to have it for the clients, but it plays hell with the engineers hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Which is why old, wise engineers wear headphones!! LOL!!! [Y] [H] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 way too loud... Mike,You are assuming they have playback levels set very loud? Bruce Not assuming, I've been in many studios and they are way too loud. You have to have it for the clients, but it plays hell with the engineers hearing. Surely they have a volume control... There's no cause and effect between those speakers and playing too loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFord Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Surely they have a volume control... There's no cause and effect between those speakers and playing too loud. I totally disagree. Cause and effect maybe we could argue, but human nature and opportunity results in turning it up 99.99999% of the time. Those speakers have no normal distortion cues that people associate with loudness, up to the threshold of pain most poeple will have no idea how loud they are without some point of reference like trying to speak. At the 1/10 watt level your ears will start to fatigue and the muscles within the ears tighten up to protect the mechanism, which requires increasing the volume to get the same sensation, and the cycle repeats. Headphones have there place in the studio, mostly for insane playback levels musicians like, but are very limited in what can be practically done with them on the engineering side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Not assuming, I've been in many studios and they are way too loud. You have to have it for the clients, but it plays hell with the engineers hearing. IIRC, it should be set between 85-90db. Then, played back in someone's home at those levels, the balnce from bass to treble would be rpetty close to the way it was mixed. Too bad many don't follow those rules. If mixed louder and you listen at a lower level, the bass and treble will be lower than what they intended. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blvdre Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Surely they have a volume control... There's no cause and effect between those speakers and playing too loud. I totally disagree. Cause and effect maybe we could argue, but human nature and opportunity results in turning it up 99.99999% of the time. Those speakers have no normal distortion cues that people associate with loudness, up to the threshold of pain most poeple will have no idea how loud they are without some point of reference like trying to speak. At the 1/10 watt level your ears will start to fatigue and the muscles within the ears tighten up to protect the mechanism, which requires increasing the volume to get the same sensation, and the cycle repeats. Headphones have there place in the studio, mostly for insane playback levels musicians like, but are very limited in what can be practically done with them on the engineering side. I have to agree with psg, 100%. A good engineer will listen at an appropriate playback level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFord Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Engineering practices vary, but a studio that tells clients they can't turn up the music won't have much business. Some of the "good" engineers leave the control room during the loud stuff the bands want, but all don't have that flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvan Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The best studio I ever worked in used big Westlakes for playback. They are used for ultimate clarity...to hear the little stuff you might otherwise miss. Yes, they'll play loud, but not while I was there. Just realistic playback. That squares with what Westlake says about their studio monitors. BTW, they are fantastic speakers. Probably the best I've ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Stop it. Juuuuuuuust stop it. Discussing speakers of this class makes me think my Klipsch might be inadequate. Oh, and don't talk about JBL Sovereign C60 S8Rs either. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 They seem pretty standard in high quality studios. I see them in pics of Japanese studios all the time. Tad? The assumption for loud doesn't make sense. That would be like saying all studio engineers listen loud and that just isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidF Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I've never understood the logic of mixing on speakers like that, way way way too loud, and makes everything sound "pretty good". Dandy for impressing a client with how wonderful they sound, but in 5 minutes your hearing is altered for the rest of the day. OTOH for just rocking out, they can spoil you real fast. Maybe for the same reason I could never live with 5 1/4 inch woofers and shoe box speakers. Just no dynamic range. Not an excuse for excess on average SPLs though. You would think people in the business would be particularly concerned on anything that may damage their hearing, wouldn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Surely they have a volume control... There's no cause and effect between those speakers and playing too loud. I totally disagree. Cause and effect maybe we could argue, but human nature and opportunity results in turning it up 99.99999% of the time. Those speakers have no normal distortion cues that people associate with loudness, up to the threshold of pain most poeple will have no idea how loud they are without some point of reference like trying to speak. At the 1/10 watt level your ears will start to fatigue and the muscles within the ears tighten up to protect the mechanism, which requires increasing the volume to get the same sensation, and the cycle repeats. The same thing happens with the better Klipsch speakers. Sometimes the pulses on your chest are a better indication of just how loud the music is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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