JL Sargent Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Anybody else here having a hard time digesting all this? I used to think Joe Pa was awesome. Now I'm saddened and sick over these abused kids and Penn States' lack of action. This Freed report is so bad: "It is more reasonable to conclude that, in order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at the university - Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley -- repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse from authorities, the university's board of trustees, the Penn State community and the public at large." Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/07/12/penn-state-freeh-report-sandusky-paterno.ap/index.html#ixzz20XAOX4Ux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted July 13, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 13, 2012 The whole thing stinks, there are enough willing adults to get/do anything you could ever want, no matter how strange, WHY KIDS ? I will never understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Sargent Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 What about the statue of Joe Pa? What will they do about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panacea Engineering Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 They will probably remove any mention of Paterno ever being associated with the College. It may even come to the State College losing acreditation (sp)......It is a shame that such so called Educated people can be so stupid.....It was ALL about the Money and Ego's.....They should eliminate Sports from educational programs compltely. Wehn you can graduate college and not be able to spell Cat....something is wrong...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie dave Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I don't find it hard to believe at all. When a twenty five year old team manager who was the starting quarterback comes and tells you the retired defensive coach was buggering a ten year old, it isn't too hard to understand. You don't turn it into inappropriate touching, and you don't fail every single boy who was put at risk for the next twelve years due to your insanely selfish self interests. Funny thing, folks try to pass Paterno's conduct off as old school denial or misunderstanding. Where I grew up, in the arch conservative mid Illinois town, the old school denial would have been refusing to go to the police because you took care of the mfn bastard personally, to the point where he never walked out of a shower again. At any time, with anyone. It is sad, but Sandusky will soon find out that the big jail has its own protection society, even if PSU and Paterno did not. I have a nine year old son, so I have very strong feelings about providing safety and creating a safe haven for children. I don't find much gray in this situation, where a university, a football coach, and a sexual predator all found themselves on the same side of a situation for many years. It isn't hard to understand, and it isn't hard to figure out where Paterno's legacy lies, because of one decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted July 14, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 14, 2012 They should eliminate Sports from educational programs compltely. Wehn you can graduate college and not be able to spell Cat....something is wrong...! Just listen to some players in the NFL when interviewed, the College they came from should be embarrassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2point1 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 sheltie dave +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 If any good is to come of this, it will be that responsible adults should now be alert to the danger of adults being left alone with young children. In the 70s I taught driver education in a high school (as well as being an assistant wrestling coach). I would NEVER be alone with one student, male or female, in a car. It was best for everyone that a "witness" always be present. The policy was for the protection of students and teachers alike. That was more than 4 decades ago. The students were 15 - 17 years old. Responsible adults, i.e., Paterno, Mrs. Sandusky, etc. should have recognized the impropriety of Jerry's behavior with adolescents. He was at best a fool to be alone with children; at worst a pedopohile. FWIW I disagree with those calling for NCAA punishment of the school. PSU failed the children and is being punished. To stop the football program would punish athletes who are not responsible. Athletes in non-revenue sports (basketball might not generate revenue at PSU []) would suffer from the loss of football revenue. The whole econmomy of Happy Valley would suffer. Jerry rubbed people the wrong way . . . so to speak, but he's been brought to justice. Let the school divorce itself from Joe Pa and move on. The Freeh report is available online. Of the 267 pages, more than half are footnotes, exhibits, etc. The emails and Joe Pa's handwritten notes are damning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panacea Engineering Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I'm not saying to eliminate Sports from collegiate programs, I'm just saying that education should come first, before anyone is allowed on the field. Unfortunately atheletes are given a free ride in school and it is a shame that Sports takes precidence over education....again it is all money driven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 What about the statue of Joe Pa? What will they do about that? I heard a young man bent over to tie his shoe in front of the statue and lost his balance and fell backwards... enough said, the statue has been place under arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Oh and why isn't Mrs Sandusky in jail? Talking about living along de nile river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Sargent Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 And Joe Pa dying within weeks of this bad story breaking. Just a coincidence or did he exit stage left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I understand that his mural "halo" has been painted over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted July 15, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm not saying to eliminate Sports from collegiate programs, I'm just saying that education should come first, before anyone is allowed on the field. Unfortunately atheletes are given a free ride in school and it is a shame that Sports takes precidence over education....again it is all money driven. That's is how I took what you were saying, and I also didn't mean eliminating sports and agree with what your saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Hopefully there'll be some jailhouse justice for Mr. Sandusky. Turnabout is fair play (couldn't help myself). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 well said, sheltie dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boom3 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Maybe this awful event can be a catalyst for rexamining the role of sports in education. Academics takes a backseat to athletics at schools because the athletic department is a money maker. The special treatment jocks get, from high school on up, is now reflected in the excuses, official and personal, made for the staff, all the way up to the ADs. At least one school I attended in the 70s maintained a harem of coeds for the jocks. Think anybody spoke up? Nope. And people wonder why pro ball is corrupt...it is not a few "bad apples" whose punishments are trivial (to multi-millionaires) fines or suspensions. It's really the whole barrell, folks. If Michael Vick can be rehabiliated, then who is afraid of the disciplinary process? Howard Cosell observed 40 years ago that parents should not encourage children to idolize pro ball players, because a lot of the players were w****mongers and adulterers. He got a lot of hate over that, but he was right then and wherever his soul is now, he must be laughing, or maybe crying, because he really cared about pro football and was grieved to see it being corrupted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Sargent Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 Are there more corrupt people running around today than there was 40 years ago? Are there more sickos preying on children today than there was back then when we played all over the neighborhood and told to be home by dark? No, there are not. What's different is that the bad guys are simply getting more attention these days. It's all over the news repeatedly. In those old days the Jerry Sanduskys of the world were swept under the rug and not discussed. Did you know that in many public school systems these days kids are taught how to recognize improper "touching" and who to report it to? Awareness such as this brings perpetrators to justice. [Y] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 What about the statue of Joe Pa? What will they do about that? I heard a caller to a sports talk show today suggest the following:"Take the statue and turn it around 180 degrees, and then he will be in the proper position - looking the other way." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted July 16, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 16, 2012 Are there more corrupt people running around today than there was 40 years ago? I would say YES, or 40 years ago they did a better job of hiding it ? And your also right about the common thing was to sweep it under the rug to keep up appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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