richieb Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Tesla at # 1 is hardly a surprise. It's an elitist cult car for those wanting to make an environmental statement. A 1%'er's Prius. I'd bet a Tesla could fall apart around its owner and they would still vote it all 10's. They would be voting against themselves to rate it any lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I'm stilling trying to decide if av's are any kind of witch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, richieb said: I'd bet a Tesla could fall apart around its owner and they would still vote it all 10's Reviewers I've read vote all Tesla products at 10 for quality, design, and value. Top of the line S3 with autonomy and 300 mile range at a bit over 40k after tax rebates...not cheap, but still a better investment that will last indefinitely and still be state of the art. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, oldtimer said: I'm stilling trying to decide if av's are any kind of witch. --- Yes --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, richieb said: --- Yes --- Really more of a "which," as resistance is both futile and not very intelligent. One person early in this thread posted that they'd get his steering wheel from his cold, dead hands. My response was that it happens many times every day and that was one of the best reasons to look forward to this technology as the death rate will plummet to basically what insurance calls "Acts of God." Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mallette said: Really more of a "which," as resistance is both futile and not very intelligent. One person early in this thread posted that they'd get his steering wheel from his cold, dead hands. My response was that it happens many times every day and that was one of the best reasons to look forward to this technology as the death rate will plummet to basically what insurance calls "Acts of God." Dave Since it seems one of the only acceptable political statements here and as one famous member states and you've just alluded above AV technology will see "resistance" from me -- (and yes I know ultimately my resistance will too fail). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 Well, perhaps I should have left out the "intelligent" part. I think many quite intelligent men rebel at parting with their horse. But they will get it eventually. History doesn't care about what we think...it just happens. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasubandu Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, DrWho said: please don't be annoyed if you love the Model S. I have never really cared for it. And nice to hear you say Evora. Wouldn't that be sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted January 23, 2018 Moderators Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 hours ago, vasubandu said: Tech advantage is worthless in business because it has a shelf life of a week Not in this. This is software intense, and processor dependent. Lots of IP and patent potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted January 23, 2018 Moderators Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 4:30 PM, vasubandu said: How long until the last child is born? Some say 300 years. You have apparently never been to India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasubandu Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 @dwilawyer the idea is far fetched, but it presumes that inorganic life is the natural nest stage for Earth, and that when we are no longer the fittests, we just need to fade away. I understand that NASA is now looking for inorganic as well as organic life. I don't want that kind of world before or after we are replaced. And I think that the fight to stop it starts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 11:21 AM, Mallette said: resistance is futile sayeth the Borg. A fictional reference is appropriate for fictional vehicles. Autodriving cars will be sold, the money saving promises of AV safety will not be realized, the life saving promises won't happen and full automation will be restricted to certain roads. It will be 20-30 years before this technology is mature enough to be trusted. That pie is going to stay in the sky for a while. Air bags were supposed to save 10,000 lives per year. It took 10 years for airbags to save 10,000 lives. The overstated claims of AV hopefuls are equally optimistic and unrealistic. BTW, Dave, have you bought one of these AVs yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Don Richard said: BTW, Dave, have you bought one of these AVs yet? Not yet, but very soon. Probably an AV capable Tesla 3. They are a bargain and can save lives already. You should be aware that your pessimism is well beyond that of the AV critics...who are retreating every day. We shall see. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 It may well be fake news but CNN reported a Tesla on full autopilot crashed into a fire truck at approximatly 65mph. Culver City CA. I want one - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 No Tesla is allowed to be on full autopilot unless some complete idiot overrides. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 "The Tesla owner's manual says that Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, which is part of the Autopilot system, "cannot detect all objects and may not brake/decelerate for stationary vehicles, especially in situations when you are driving over 50 mph (80 km/h) and a vehicle you are following moves out of your driving path and a stationary vehicle or object is in front of you instead." Pretty clear, isn't it? I've never said that AV was ready for hands off...but incidents like this, the previous idiot suicide, and such will make it ready very soon. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Nobody reads the owners manual Dave. Everyone knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: Nobody reads the owners manual Dave. Everyone knows that. Seems like information that important ought to at least be on the window sticker. It's interesting that this is a known issue, and still, it's allowed on the road. I guess you gotta test, but sounds a bit dangerous if that parked car was full of kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Mallette said: No Tesla is allowed to be on full autopilot unless some complete idiot overrides. Dave I qualified my post referencing CNN??!! And so long as idiots remain systems will be overridden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: Nobody reads the owners manual Dave. I know you are in the business...but fact is that some of us DO read the manual. Futurist fantasizer as I may be, fact is I am a realist. I ain't sucking a bong and having a whisky for a while in an AV until the owners manual says it's OK. Don't think that will be long, but it is NOT now. Present AV can certainly handle the sparse traffic and predictability of the open road better than me most of the time...but the driver is still required and must be ready to act if required until there is sufficient data to exceed human performance by a considerable margin. While the semi fatality and this fire truck thing luck dumb to us, I can see the issues software would have with them...different from our perception. But once the software is fixed, that particular issue is no longer possible...something you can't do with humans. We make the same dumb mistakes over and over. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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