ducati2 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) about a year ago I painstakingly made solid walnut frames for my cornwalls and then used the best cane material for the grills. It was absolutely beautiful ,, for about 6-8 months, then started to sag just a little. ,,, then more.. With small grandchildren and dogs around, this cane is just unforgiving. Any slight push stays. I have removed them a couple of times to wet the cane material in hopes it would shrink back, but it does not. It now makes sense to me why many companies moved onto a more stretchy type speaker material, or at least something with a little 'give'. Does anyone have a recommended cloth that looks as fantastic as cane, but with a little stretch or give to it? See attached pix. Edited July 21, 2016 by ducati2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) That's sad. It looks like you need to painstakingly remove the fabric and replace it. I don't know of any tricks unless you could detach and tighten, but then the lines in the fabric will look bad. I could be wrong... There isn't anythiong that looks as good as cane. Perhaps some sort of tight screen behind the next one you install? Just make sure it is AP. Edited July 20, 2016 by mustang guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 can you post pictures of the back of the grill frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Its a natural material... doesnt suprise me it needs to be taken care carefully. It also shrinks and can bow a grill support. I still love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Cane is my favorite too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) I recommend hitting the local fabric stores first. Try Mojotone and Wendell. Edited July 20, 2016 by jason str Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 That's sad. It looks like you need to painstakingly remove the fabric and replace it. I don't know of any tricks unless you could detach and tighten, but then the lines in the fabric will look bad. I could be wrong... There isn't anythiong that looks as good as cane. Perhaps some sort of tight screen behind the next one you install? Just make sure it is AP. There might be one trick. Try taking a hair dryer to the spot (carefully and keep the dryer moving around) and see if that shrinks the material a bit. You may need to mist the material first. If there are any plastic heads in the material, the heat will melt the plastic and mar the finish. As always, do this at your own risk. Good luck, -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducati2 Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 thanks for all the suggestions! love this forum, as I don't feel so ALONE on my projects! attached are two photos of the back side of the frames. The cane as so stiff , that I decided to not try to wrap it around any masonite, but rather, I flattened and ironed it really stiff and then glued and stapled it to the frame. Then, I covered it with a 3/16" masonite. I did coat that masonite with a light spray of 3m adhesive, which may/may not have helped. The masonite was then stapled on. I have wet the areas in question several times and sat the frames on the back porch to dry .. about 97 degrees and windy here. No luck. However I will try the hair dryer suggestion before I rip these apart and start over. Arrrgh. I do wish I could find something with stretch or give that looks something like cane, but not sure it exists. Let me know if you have thoughts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I thought the Wendell Fabrics cane (they are all synthetic), looked pretty good, but I know they are all difficult to install. I just saw that Jason lonked to this as well. http://www.wendellfabrics.com/mellotonefabricsamples.html Your grills look great (without the sag...). Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducati2 Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) I am ordering a sample of the cane looking one MD4134 from wendel and go from there. They state that it has some give, we will see what it looks like. I also called MOJOtone, which is where I bought the cane you see in the photos, but he has no alternatives that have stretch or give. In general, i get the feel that some people think 'little kids and dogs' should not be allowed near such great audio equipment... but hey, this is my life, so I will attempt to kid proof it. now my son's Saint Bernard however...... Update-- Wendell says that sweet looking md4134 is discontinued... Edited July 20, 2016 by ducati2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 You will always miss the real cane. Try and repair what you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthews Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Will attach some photos and description of how I attached my "British Small Weave" later this evening. Basically, I wet and stretched it, hot glue to adhere to the frames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 when i was making grills i never had a problem with sagging. one thing i noticed on your grills is the cloth is not wrapped around the grill board on all 4 sides with about an inch on the back side. could this be why they are sagging. just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) I have some of this stuff in the attached pictures. It is actually called "Cane" but obviously an imitation. I have never actually seen it on a speaker. Bob Crites Edited July 21, 2016 by BEC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducati2 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 Hmm wonder how transparent it is with the sound. Does it stretch or at least give a little? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 http://www.mojotone.com/Cabinets_x/Grillcloth_x/British-Style-Black-and-Tan-Grill-Cloth-32-Wide http://www.portcityamps.com/color-codes/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Hmm wonder how transparent it is with the sound. Does it stretch or at least give a little? The stuff I posted above is actually Klipsch approved. I have not seen them actually use it though. Yes it will stretch some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Bob... I wonder if grill material has a rating to describe how transparent it is sonically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Bob... I wonder if grill material has a rating to describe how transparent it is sonically? I really don't know the answer to that. I have been told that Klipsch tests the fabric they intend to use, but I do not know what the testing standards are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I'd love to do this cane look to my Fortes - is there a source for those grill frames? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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