mark1101 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Since I got my NBS I have not used my Peach. The NBS is quieter for sure, but sounds better to me as well. The Peach might have a little more 3D effect. The NBS allows use of the lo and hi Z outputs simultaneously which is a nice feature to drive a sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, mark1101 said: NBS allows use of the lo and hi Z outputs simultaneously which is a nice feature to drive a sub. That is a unique option that is hard to find on any tube preamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 IMO the NBS looks more elegant. I have no experience with the sound of either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Good grief....I do answer emails.... The NBS has nothing in common with the Peach. It is loosely based on the Merlin line stage but hugely upgraded. I stumbled onto the idea doing a mad scientist upgrade to a Merlin I owned. The phono section has allot in common with the Tercel phono stage. A schematic....If I say what I'd like to say in response to some comments in this thread would end up locked...I'll just say no complete schematic exists at this point. Schu...What was that last tube preamp you owned? Were you able to find a schematic for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Oh he'll no... no preamp schematic exists for the eastern electric... and since I am never going back I could care less. I knew that would be an intermediate step in tube pre lifestyle, I wanted to be sure I was making the correct step into tubes before jumping off the cliff. Now, I am never going back so that's a moot point. The NBS is another story... it is a long term investment which I intend to keep for a long time. If no schematic exists, then that's the way it is... if it's loosely based on something else, but upgraded... I could care less. All I care about is if it works... and it works well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deang Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 NBS = New Blueberry Supreme. :-) It’s not based off of the Peach. Craig did make some significant improvements, especially in the grounding scheme. The Blueberry could be a little quirky, those issues have been resolved. And of course, better build quality and point-to-point. I have the schematic - not scheduled for release until Craig kicks the bucket. :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Deang said: NBS = New Blueberry Supreme. :-) It’s not based off of the Peach. :thumbs up: VRD=? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Oh, that one's easy. VRD = Valve Rollers Dream 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 The New Blueberry Supreme thing was a private joke between Craig and me. We had a lot of fun with that one. I'd forgotten about the Merlin tweaks. Mark Deneen did real good with those designs, but everyone kept having oddball issues with them, and the connectors off those PCBs were terrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Deang said: NBS = New Blueberry Supreme. :-) It’s not based off of the Peach. Craig did make some significant improvements, especially in the grounding scheme. The Blueberry could be a little quirky, those issues have been resolved. And of course, better build quality and point-to-point. I have the schematic - not scheduled for release until Craig kicks the bucket. :-) --- I once owned a BB then a Peach or might have been two BB's. Getting old and can't remember. But I do remember they were all noisy regardless the quality of tube I used. Noisy doesn't work for me - they were goners' ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Peach, Tercel II, NBS, VRD stereo, VRD monos none were noisy. Peach RCA jacks to board sucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I have a Peach form 2007 (or there abouts). I use it all the time to this day. It has never failed. It went back to Mark 4-5 times for every upgrade except the remote. So it has the 6H30 and it is pretty quiet,. Not as quiet as the NBS. I also have an NBS (No BS)........ The funny thing is I prefer the Peach with my VRDs over the NBS and that is how I have my lascalas setup today. More 3D............same comment I made last year. The NBS is used for driving my Xilica active crossover for my Jubs, and it does this marvelously. Peach had no capability to interface with Pro equipment. All noise. This oughta make Craig post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 I am left wondering what is gained or lost by a 6H30 vs 6DJ8 in the NBS... not that I would ever change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I still have my Merlin... a gift from forum members approx. 13 years ago. It has never given me any problems at all, although the 6922 tube tended to be a little noisy. After changing to a 6DJ8, it's be really good. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 6dj8 and certain No Bull Shyte... maybe craig could discuss what attenuators he used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 hours ago, mark1101 said: I have a Peach form 2007 (or there abouts). I use it all the time to this day. It has never failed. It went back to Mark 4-5 times for every upgrade except the remote. So it has the 6H30 and it is pretty quiet,. Not as quiet as the NBS. I also have an NBS (No BS)........ The funny thing is I prefer the Peach with my VRDs over the NBS and that is how I have my lascalas setup today. More 3D............same comment I made last year. The NBS is used for driving my Xilica active crossover for my Jubs, and it does this marvelously. Peach had no capability to interface with Pro equipment. All noise. This oughta make Craig post. Yup that gets me to post ....it's pretty hard not to point out you did a complete 180 in this thread... Before you said.. "Since I got my NBS I have not used my Peach. The NBS is quieter for sure, but sounds better to me as well. The Peach might have a little more 3D effect. The NBS allows use of the lo and hi Z outputs simultaneously which is a nice feature to drive a sub." So which is it LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I knew you'd get here sooner or later. Well things changed in my house quite a lot. I got Jubs and added a whole other system (digital). I also finally paired up a single lascala I had for a long time and now I have a system for those as well. When I posted in 2017, I think I had just gotten my NBS a few months before, and didn't have what I just mentioned yet. So the Peach just sat for awhile. Since I picked up the Jubs I needed a preamp and the Peach won't drive a processor or any pro equipment very well. The NBS does this very well and that setup is very quiet and accurate. I paired the Peach with the VRDs and lascalas. Just how it worked out, and I really like that setup and its strong point is imaging. Honestly, The Peach and NBS are both very good at what they do best. They are not the same. I enjoy them both and use them both all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Schu said: 6dj8 and certain No Bull Shyte... maybe craig could discuss what attenuators he used? The 6DJ8 variety sounded better to me. I used an Amperex 7208 and Seimens CCA in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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