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JefDC Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, geoff. said: The new trade deal with China must include a “Covid Response Repayment Schedule”, or curse for short, a surcharge on EVERY import and when the $6 trillion and counting has been recouped there will hopefully be alternate sources for EVERYTHING that country exports. The Chinese government sent messages to Chinese nationals all around the world after the outbreak imploring them to buy up and send home all medical supplies they could from the countries they were living in. And they did, depleting global stocks of vital equipment. I also propose any Chinese national that participated in this be held accountable. Maybe some anti-terrorism laws could be spun here to good effect. They ALL knew what was going on. They ALL said to hell with the rest of the world. Has any mention been made on this forum yet of Chinese “Document Number Nine”? If I understand this correctly and extrapolate then: The Europeans can hold the USA accountable for the Spanish Flu that came from America, The native Indians and the South Americans can hold Europe accountable for the spread of deadly diseases. Where does it end ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Too late to do anything about ancient history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 10 hours ago, BassBlaster&TweeterHeater said: Flu and pneumonia are far more deadly here this year and over the same time frame would be my guess and if you don't like that prove me wrong. "The most common type of bacterial pneumonia is called pneumococcal pneumonia. Pneumococcal pneumonia is caused by the Streptococcus pneumoniae germ that normally lives in the upper respiratory tract. It infects over 900,000 Americans every year. Bacterial pneumonia can occur on its own or develop after you've had a viral cold or the flu." https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/pneumonia/what-causes-pneumonia We can add COVID-19 to the list of things that cause pneumonia. COVID-19 also has a good track record of putting people into ARDS, which technically, is another way you can die. I think early on, a lot of places were using pneumonia as cause of death, which makes sense. I mean, if you get a cold, and it goes into pneumonia and you die, the hospital or Dr. doesn't mark cause of death as "the common cold". So what we really want to know is how many pneumonia related deaths are caused by each different thing, and I don't know if it's possible to get good numbers for that. What's important here is that COVID-19 is a novel virus, and the numbers have been kept down through mitigation efforts, which should also reduce cases of flu and related pneumonia. I like the site you used. I might pay for a membership. At any rate, they supply a table comparing all of the above, and I don't really think it helps your argument much. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113051/number-reported-deaths-from-covid-pneumonia-and-flu-us/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 9 hours ago, BassBlaster&TweeterHeater said: Would you have such a "charitable" reaction if it had been discovered that Trump was funding virus research? That's really funny. I'll wait and see how long it takes you to figure out why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Deang said: I like the site you used. I might pay for a membership. At any rate, they supply a table comparing all of the above, and I don't really think it helps your argument much. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113051/number-reported-deaths-from-covid-pneumonia-and-flu-us/ CDC https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco-d-gama Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, JefDC said: If I understand this correctly and extrapolate then: The Europeans can hold the USA accountable for the Spanish Flu that came from America, The native Indians and the South Americans can hold Europe accountable for the spread of deadly diseases. Where does it end ? The huge difference here is ‘prior’ knowledge. It is one thing to contaminate others naively without malice or intent. It is another thing when a country ‘understands’ the virulence and contagiousness of a pathogen and either through neglect or intent allows it to spread worldwide. China had studied these very viruses and had prior experiences with them as well. There own medical corps attempted to advise the authorities and were incarcerated for their effort. Instead of sounding klaxons China lied, obfuscated and hid this outbreak and through similar neglect allowed it to be transported globally. China is liable for these failures. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 China lied about origin of coronavirus, leaked intelligence report says https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/intelligence-report-says-china-lied-about-origin-of-coronavirus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, 000 said: CDC https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm Yes, I'm sure the site Dave referenced is using the CDC for its numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Bombshell 'Five Eyes' Western intelligence dossier claims China lied about human-to-human transmission, 'disappeared' whistle-blowers and refused to help other countries prepare a vaccine for coronavirus https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279859/Bombshell-intelligence-lays-bare-China-lied-coronavirus-outbreak.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Wuhan based virologist Shi Zhengli -How China’s ‘Bat Woman’ Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus - Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli has identified dozens of deadly SARS-like viruses in bat caves, and she warns there are more out there https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Is she virus worthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deang Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, 000 said: China lied about origin of coronavirus, leaked intelligence report says https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/intelligence-report-says-china-lied-about-origin-of-coronavirus/ They didn't lie, they held back the information related to human to human transmission. They were hoping they could clean it up. contain it, and it would just go away. The article states: “At the same time, a senior intelligence source told Fox News that while most intelligence agencies believe COVID-19 originated in the Wuhan lab, it was thought to have been released accidentally.” The Post reporting on what a secret dude passed on to FOX news is exactly the kind of stuff that needs to be ignored. https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-post Things don't get "accidentally released" from a BSL-4 facility, and then driven down to a wet market 15 miles away. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5092168/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5092084/ The virus naturally lives in the throat of horseshoe bats. You can't get it by eating a bat. You need something in between -- an intermediate host. The scenario that makes the most sense is the same one that has played out several times over there. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200326144342.htm Do BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities jack around with this stuff? I sure hope so, because it makes getting a vaccine that much faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 November 10 2015 -article warned of new Coronavirus - New SARS-like virus can jump directly from bats to humans, no treatment available Findings provide an opportunity to develop drugs and vaccines for coronaviruses before they emerge from animals to cause a human epidemic https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110115711.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deang said: They didn't lie, they held back the information related to human to human transmission. They were hoping they could clean it up. contain it, and it would just go away. The article states: “At the same time, a senior intelligence source told Fox News that while most intelligence agencies believe COVID-19 originated in the Wuhan lab, it was thought to have been released accidentally.” The Post reporting on what a secret dude passed on to FOX news is exactly the kind of stuff that needs to be ignored. https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-post Things don't get "accidentally released" from a BSL-4 facility, and then driven down to a wet market 15 miles away. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5092168/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5092084/ The virus naturally lives in the throat of horseshoe bats. You can't get it by eating a bat. You need something in between -- an intermediate host. The scenario that makes the most sense is the same one that has played out several times over there. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200326144342.htm Do BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities jack around with this stuff? I sure hope so, because it makes getting a vaccine that much faster. Yes Dean ,tx , see my last post , I was getting to it - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, 000 said: Wuhan based virologist Shi Zhengli -How China’s ‘Bat Woman’ Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus - Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli has identified dozens of deadly SARS-like viruses in bat caves, and she warns there are more out there https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/ It's a good article. Did you read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deang said: It's a good article. Did you read it? yes-now these 2 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110115711.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Engineered virus might be able to block coronavirus infections, mouse study shows https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200407072712.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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