NOSValves Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 That line is getting thinner ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Dean; I have no opinion on this set of circumstances. Vinyl grading is a serious matter. I was totally decieved once and partially decieved twice on e Bay purchases. It does tick one off. Even if you played LPs 20 years ago; but play 100% digital now; you cannot identify with the need to keep grading of LPs understated at best, and dead nuts on at worst. I have received some very good + graded LPs that I would have graded NM or NM-. Very Good + better have no more than 1-3 pops; no sctratches and be pristeen clean. NM to me is self explanatory. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ It does take an ignorant comment to wind the Parrot up usually. He is decisive in his responses. If people perceive this as nasty baiting and trolling; you ought to spend a week in the life of anyone in the Automotive business with a position of significance. I grew up in a tough town and work in a tough industry; terse commentary, when appropriate, is an indicator of character and experience. Healthy for the forum to maintain objectivity through passionate debate. Parrot responsible for "feather ruffling" seems apropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 You would think that Coltrane experts would know he was a heroin addict. In another thread Allan mentioned that the way to really get into listening to jazz is drink oneself into a state of near-oblivion. Fini admitted that his buddy needs psychotherapy. My personal opinion is that if you have to be wasted to think some particular music is good, then it's probably *not* good music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 ---------------- On 9/25/2004 10:24:28 AM Audio Flynn wrote: Dean; I have no opinion on this set of circumstances. Vinyl grading is a serious matter. I was totally decieved once and partially decieved twice on e Bay purchases. It does tick one off. Even if you played LPs 20 years ago; but play 100% digital now; you cannot identify with the need to keep grading of LPs understated at best, and dead nuts on at worst. I have received some very good + graded LPs that I would have graded NM or NM-. Very Good + better have no more than 1-3 pops; no sctratches and be pristeen clean. NM to me is self explanatory. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ It does take an ignorant comment to wind the Parrot up usually. He is decisive in his responses. If people perceive this as nasty baiting and trolling; you ought to spend a week in the life of anyone in the Automotive business with a position of significance. I grew up in a tough town and work in a tough industry; terse commentary, when appropriate, is an indicator of character and experience. Healthy for the forum to maintain objectivity through passionate debate. Parrot responsible for "feather ruffling" seems apropriate. ---------------- 2500 Mint, 100 Near Mint LPs and going. 450 + CDs. 20 + years connected with local PD before medical retirement. Still a Certified Crime Prevention Specialist. Page 1 notes that it was an inside joke and leaves room for one to question the actuality of the incident. Or the second party was trying to play down the alleged incident. Either way, none of us were there but the person that wrote the beginning of the thread and the Owner of the record. I would also see a difference between what happens in a position of Authority in the Automotive Business, what is seen in a position of Authority in a PD and the banter on an Audio Forum. Face to face we can get much more irritated, on a Forum, they're words, topics to either be posted or taken to PM, or laughed at. I had some relatives at GM, so I know you don't have it easy. And with all seriousness intended, for some of what you have to put up with, combat pay would be in order. So with that said and my prior posts, plus all trying for a return to Audio I will make this my last post on the matter. dodger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I drive a GM car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 This thread is not about Allan Songers dirty vinyl. Its not about how to properly grade an LP or even define what grading standards are or should be. Its about fishing. Paul Parrot is a great fisherman. He knows right where the fish are. Hes spent many years crafting unique and tempting lures. His precision casting is second to none and his tackle is always in A1 condition. Allan Songer is like a Musky. The ultimate fresh water game fish. Many of the other fish look to him for advice and covet his approval and adoration. Most of time, the big musky cruses right past questionable enticements. Years of experience have taught him well but every once in a while, a bait appears that is too tempting and the great muskey hammers it hard. Now, a musky strike is a very violent thing and it can cause quite a commotion. Boats from all over will come to see the fight. Some boaters will scream words of encouragement to the struggling angler and others will cheer for the trophy to spit the hook and escape. To all the participants on this crazy lake: Please read all posts accurately and completely before you jump to conclusions and post an opinion based on what you thought you read or what you want to believe it said. Reading comprehension is important. Youve known that since the third grade. Once again I say, let the dogs bark. But please, understand what their barkin about before you try to correct them or shut them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Speaking of dirty vinyl, it's best to not purchase it. While it's true it might clean up okay, the odds are that anyone who let his records get filthy in the first place did not use quality playback equipment, and so the chances are good that the record will have permanent groove damage. When I think of the kind of guy who might have a truly filthy record in his collection, not necessarily a jazz disc but that's certainly possible, I envision someone strung out on drugs, with the music playing in the background while he does whatever junkies do. If he's got enough of his senses left to hear when the record is over, he'll take it off the turntable, toss it on a stack of trash, maybe toss it on the floor or lean it against the wall, and then put on another LP. If he's really stoned and doesn't like to get up every twenty minutes, he'll have an old record changer so he can play a stack of discs and delay having to get up off his broken-down sagging couch. The only exception I would make is if I saw a particularly valuable record at a thrift store, just in the hopes that I could pawn it off as a Near Mi--hold it, I mean just in case it would clean up okay and could be sold as a Good or VG album. Otherwise, it's a waste of time. If it's been mistreated and is dirty, the guy who owned it did not respect the record and it's likely to have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Excellent thoughtful post, Boomac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Paul the Master-Baiter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 ---------------- On 9/25/2004 11:49:13 AM paulparrot wrote: I drive a GM car. ---------------- I bet it suits your dry personality, Chippy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Parrot Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Picnic on Parrot's porch: http://www.ctnow.com/media/photo/2002-10/5002427.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazman Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 ---------------- On 9/25/2004 10:24:28 AM Audio Flynn wrote: Dean; I have no opinion on this set of circumstances. Vinyl grading is a serious matter. I was totally decieved once and partially decieved twice on e Bay purchases. It does tick one off. Even if you played LPs 20 years ago; but play 100% digital now; you cannot identify with the need to keep grading of LPs understated at best, and dead nuts on at worst. I have received some very good + graded LPs that I would have graded NM or NM-. Very Good + better have no more than 1-3 pops; no sctratches and be pristeen clean. NM to me is self explanatory. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ It does take an ignorant comment to wind the Parrot up usually. He is decisive in his responses. If people perceive this as nasty baiting and trolling; you ought to spend a week in the life of anyone in the Automotive business with a position of significance. I grew up in a tough town and work in a tough industry; terse commentary, when appropriate, is an indicator of character and experience. Healthy for the forum to maintain objectivity through passionate debate. Parrot responsible for "feather ruffling" seems apropriate. ---------------- Many of the products produced in Detroit, mirror your reading skills. Try re-reading! Chris, Good Lord my friend, nobody said anything about Allan offering or selling anything that was less than described. Heck, he takes things back with no questions asked and you don't maintain a 100% positive feedback on eBay without being 100% on the up and up. This was just an inside joke. Artto got on me because there were fingerprints and dust on the LP. I said, "hey, I got that one from Allan Songer and I never had it out of the sleeve." It was all in fun. Geeze, I've opened new LPs that wern't perfectly clean. Besides, I think the LP that Artto was talking about (bit noisy) was "Blues In The Abstract Truth" which is not an LP I got from Allan. Once cleaned, the Rollins LP played quite well. Allan is the jazz Sensei. I highly recommend his advice and any record or other product that he might offer. Boomac, Sorry, I didn't read the post as an "inside joke". After seeing the heading I jumped the gun. My apologies. Chris Go Giants! Klipsch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Boomac, See what happens when you cast pearls before swine. Look at the series of ignorant posts from the hate-filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 ---------------- On 9/25/2004 11:49:13 AM paulparrot wrote: I drive a GM car. ---------------- That explains everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I quoted YOU, Paul. Seems you have a plagiarism problem as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Paul -- It's that rare time where I come into agreement with the majority. At the point the post below showed up, I thought the issue was dead. I really don't understand why you keep going on with this thing. If your only reason is for the purpose of upsetting people, then I've misjudged you. "...you don't maintain a 100% positive feedback on eBay without being 100% on the up and up. This was just an inside joke. Artto got on me because there were fingerprints and dust on the LP. I said, "hey, I got that one from Allan Songer and I never had it out of the sleeve." It was all in fun. Geeze, I've opened new LPs that wern't perfectly clean. Besides, I think the LP that Artto was talking about (bit noisy) was "Blues In The Abstract Truth" which is not an LP I got from Allan. Once cleaned, the Rollins LP played quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 ---------------- On 9/24/2004 6:53:58 PM DeanG wrote: I just pulled out a good Pretenders CD, I think I'm going to shoot some Heroine and kick back. ---------------- Didn't this do the trick for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Yeah, but coming down is a b!tch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazman Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Dean, I reposted that same information a bit earlier and he continues to go on. One of the recurring words that appear in this thread, and so many others posted by him in the archives is "hate". What's up with that? demagogue: someone who appeals to peoples feelings or prejudices rather than their reason. Can you get this guy some professional help? Klipsch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Dean, "My City Was Gone" is a good one. And "Back on the Chain Gang." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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