Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted February 28, 2007 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 28, 2007 You guys be nice to Polly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 You guys be nice to Polly This is their nice, Trey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Gee whiz... could it have something to do with the frequency response of reflected sound? I mean, would it be an advantage to have the reflections sound similar to the direct sound? Hmmmm.... C'mon man. I had 70 year old church customers that understood the advantage of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Gee whiz... could it have something to do with the frequency respose of reflected sound? I mean, would it be an advantage to have the reflections sound similar to the direct sound? Hmmmm.... C'mon man. I had 70 year old church customers that understood the advantage of that. A pair of Bose 901 would be perfect for you. They tackled that little problem by making all their sound reflected sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 The issue at hand is the K-403 which PWK chose for his home Jubilee, versus the K-402 which he SAW but never considered for the home Jubilee. The issue at hand is your ignorance and refusal to make an attempt to grasp the concepts that would help you understand what makes one horn better than another. What's pathetic is how the subject in general has been clearly layed out and explained but instead of embracing the subject and undertaking an examination of the facts you choose to stay on this nonsensical path of reasoning. Looking over the last few pages is amazing, as there is now as much misinformation and general confusion as there was before the topic was brought up (multiple threads). It would take me an hour to write out responses to all of the bizarre things said over the last few pages -- but I've decided I don't have the patience for it and will instead leave some of you to your self delusion. What I'm tired of is people lacking even the most basic knowledge in these areas passing off opinions in weighty and authoritative fashion. There is only one authority here: the man who worked next to PWK. I would suggest that anyone who is actually serious about this subject to go back and carefully read through all of the posts in this thread and others. The Jubilee as presently being offered, either with the K-510 or K-402 -- is a superior product than any of the early prototypes. Forget about the K-403. It was designed by Roy for PK for a specific driver which was later superceded by a different driver. The K-69-K is a driver that is modified by Klipsch on site with a proprietary phase plug design, requires very little EQ, and reduces any inherent advantage of the K-403 to a value of exactly zero. People are still referring to what is being offered as "a cinema product". This is completely false, and saying this really shows how little you understand what is going on here. "Heritage" or not. Obviously not. I would imagine the sonic signature is a significant departure from what many of you are used to. If you want to believe that what PWK did in 1966 sounds better than what he and Roy did in 1996, then by all means -- stay where you are. It's a good sound, there's nothing wrong with it if you like it. I'll apply the same thinking to modifications to the Heritage stuff: If you think drivers and horns that exhibit lower distortion, and networks built with better parts sounds worse -- then don't do it. I used to do a lot climbing. We'd hit base camp at around 6000 feet and the last thing some of the guys wanted to do was get up the next morning and haul gear and rope up to the top while engaged in class III scrambling. It's more fun talking about doing it than actually doing it. A few would always decide it was more 'fun' to stay at 6000 feet and relax. The rest of us would leave them behind and go. On the way home, the guys that stayed were always kicking themselves in the ***. Have a good evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Intentionally obtuse... looks good on you. I've still got a Shop-Vac that might shake that loose for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Dean, you're gonna love them when ya get them. If I'm wrong, I'll buy you lunch. I looked for the box for my DX-38 and it was right where I thought it was so if that ever becomes an issue, I'm covered on that base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnich Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I am really looking forward to hearing Deans impressions and review once he gets them. He has always been subjective with he evaluations. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I am really looking forward to hearing Deans impressions and review once he gets them. He has always been subjective with he evaluations. Josh I agree Josh. Even with all the hoopla & berating I believe he will tell it like it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I am really looking forward to hearing Deans impressions and review once he gets them. He has always been subjective with he evaluations. Josh I too. Dean will be under pressure. Not in a bad way. He has never heard them. Will be a shocker. "Subjective" ... yes that is so. I'm ready to compare my ears to his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorjen Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 JC...Sent you a PM. Best, Jordan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodcaw boy Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I really don't care about newer Klipsch speakers. Old Heritage is good enough for me and for the majority of the people on the Forum, for that matter. Now of course gearheads are going to think that they can always improve things and that new is better. This is called "nowism," root word "now." The issue at hand is the K-403 which PWK chose for his home Jubilee, versus the K-402 which he SAW but never considered for the home Jubilee. The K-402 is the horn that the Bad Cowboy is pushing. The important thing is whether the K-403 would be perfectly fine in a home environment for normal people, or whether one has to use the so-called butt-ugly monstrosity that is the K-402. For some reason, the Bad Cowboy does not want to discuss the K-403 unless it is pulled out of him, tiny info bit by tiny info bit. Interesting, isn't it? polly want a 403 horn? have a blessed day, roy delgado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnich Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I am really looking forward to hearing Deans impressions and review once he gets them. He has always been subjective with he evaluations. Josh I too. Dean will be under pressure. Not in a bad way. He has never heard them. Will be a shocker. "Subjective" ... yes that is so. I'm ready to compare my ears to his. If I recall when Dean bought his new K horns he was very honest about what he thought to be their shortcomings. Not that there are going to be shortcomings here, but if there are he will tell it like he hears it! Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodcaw boy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 It's possible that the 2nd horn from the bottom has this box. It looks a bit more square than I remembered but then, I only glanced at it while in Hope. I happened to simply notice it as I was walking by and gave it no more thought than that. that box houses the k-150 horn and will not house the 402. the height and width are very close but the depth of the box won't accomodate the 402. if you want the box, i can help by telling you where to cut the 402 horn but then it will be a 3" throated horn.... have a blessed day, roy delgado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodcaw boy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 It's funny, isn't it, that Shawn and the Bad Cowboy refuse to post the polar patterns of all Klipsch Heritage speakers. After all, we might just see that those simply dreadful "collapsing vertical polar patterns" aren't anything to lose sleep over after all. We might see that the 402 is great for the most anal of gearheads but silly for normal people. Anyway, Shawn, I don't see why you let any speaker component limitations trouble you when you can just fool around with your Lexicon and make everything perfect. should i take the blue or red pill? oh man.........[:S] have a blessed day, roy delgado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodcaw boy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 The box robs you of an important feature -- the ability to adjust the bracket so you can point the horn down into the area where you are sitting. This is critical for me -- I have to have that. If not, the horn/driver would be shooting three feet over my head. As I posted in another thread, Andy wrote this: The plans for the home-version Jubilee when I saw it were to incorporate a vertically adjustable arcing device for the tweeter horn...IOW...you could adjust its aim up and down somewhat...using screw-wheel adjusters at the rear of the mounting of it...and all of this VISIBLE hardware was/is? planned to be gold anodized, etc...for aesthetic reasons...the center finely veneered panel was also designed to be removable and replaceable...so that one could adapt the speaker to changing decor of the room over time....whereas the Klipschorn is "what you see is what you get"!: aesthetic versatility matchpoint, Jubilee! This would have been for the 403, I would guess. It would render moot the 402's superiority verticalwise. Also it was a really cool idea to have the front veneer panel be something that could slide off. That way if you wanted to change the wood look to oak, say, you could, or if you scraped it all up like Roy did with the Jubilee in his lab, you could easily fix it. oh yeah....i remember us talking it over with him....[:|] (let's see blue and red make.....) have a blessed day, roy delgado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodcaw boy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 uh.....no.....paul saw the 402 and the 940 and the 941and the 150.... Okay, so he SAW it, but he didn't hear it. Did he say "You've got to be kidding!" when he SAW the thing? Or did he say, "That's perfect for my living room!" Seriously, Mr. Cowboy, we both know that PWK would never have considered the 402 acceptable for a home Jubilee. break out the board and ask him......( how about 2 red's and 1 blue)[|-)] have a blessed day, roy delgado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodcaw boy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Yes some of the early Khorns were ugly...He had no marketing guys back then...Just friends who helped him along the way.....Yes he had different cabinet styles Decorater unfinished...As well as some beautiful ...Mahogany finish,s...all had growing pains for looks. Just like the Jubilee...God its ugly!!! But I,m sure that will change....Some day some one will flash additional money under the companys nose & say "clean it up" heres the extra cash. Will I do that? "No" i,m in the sunset of my life. Its up to you young ones to press forward. that's it marono! one more mention that anything klipsch is ugly and you are out of the club (you be wishing you had a sunset!) have a blessed day, roy delgado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I wish I had the extra money, I'd buy Maron a pair. He's been climbing so long he should be carried to the Klipsch Summit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Yeah guys, I'll be objectively subjective, or is it subjectively objective?[:^)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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