Gas Prices, etc. ....

[Travis In Austin]

I, for one, am over paid. Well at least according to this survey.

Full article is located here

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-overpaid-and-underpaid-jobs-2014-1

[Travis In Austin]

Other overpaid jobs, in my opinion:

1. Reality TV show "actors"

2. Producers of reality tv shows

3. Professional athletes

4. Head valet at Las Vegas casinos

5. Mutual fund managers who can't beat S&P 500 or other relevant index

[Travis In Austin]

Your right Dave, it is extremely dangerous work out in the oil patch.

"Number-crunching by the Mary Kay O'Connor Process Safety Center at the Texas A&M Engineering Experiment Station shows the oil field's outsize fatality rate: 24.2 out of 100,000 oil and gas extraction workers were killed nationwide last year, compared with 1.7 of 100,000 involved in chemical manufacturing."

Quote above from this Houston Chronicle article.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Industry-opposes-push-to-tighten-oil-field-safety-5399724.php

The average oil field worker made 108K in 2013.

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=18691

[OO1]

I am liking the gas prices this winter.  I only use Premium grade now at $2.00 per gallon.  I am retired and now have three cars to support. 

 

the jeep is the real winter car - these can go anywhere

[BigStewMan]

4. Head valet at Las Vegas casinos

I was talking to this guy that is a high school teacher in Vegas.  He said that he has students, working part-time, that make more money than he does teaching full time … they’re valets at the casinos.   

Edited January 29, 2015 by BigStewMan

[dtel]

Over the years I did 7 completely different jobs, if I got bored I moved on. I always supported my family, but I never loved my job. One thing I never read here once from anyone is really loving your job, that's really sad if true.

 

I understand paying bills and trying to do better, but you know what, more money is usually not the answer to happiness or raising good kids, these things come from you being happy not how much money is made. 

 

Of all the years of work I had no idea, until my last 17 years or so, self employed working with my wife everyday doing something we would have done for free we liked it so much. We really loved it, those last years completely changed me for the better in many ways.

 

All those years I just didn't understand what really was important, do what you really love and adjust your lifestyle to fit, enjoy yourself and your family it's really the only thing you have worth anything, time goes by extremely quick, enjoy yourself.

 

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I do not mean this in any way against anyone here or what they do or how they live.

 

I became SELFISH, after having jobs that at times left me not seeing my house in the daylight for years and only seeing the kids as the were sleeping I realized this was not the way to live, which I wasn't really. 

Between this and loosing close friends and relatives and seeing how quick it could end made me realize the cars, houses and toys are not worth having if your not happy or around enough to really enjoy them, I seen it happen to many friends and others. We moved, built a house (nothing fancy) that makes us happy and slowly got away from high car notes and credit cards.

I quit my job, (my boss was shocked) went on vacation for a week and when we came back we started working for ourselves doing what we really loved, we loved it so much it showed in the work and that sold more than we could keep up with at times. 

 

These last 17 or so years changed my life, put it this way, I got more way enjoyment out of the last 20 years than I did the previous 37.

 

 

Sorry for going on so long, I know time is priceless.

Edited January 29, 2015 by dtel

[twistedcrankcammer]

Good for you Eldon! Looking forwards to finally meeting you and your wife! Are you guys bringing your daughter as well? Hope you are all healthy as I have not been for the last several days...

 

Roger

[Taz]

 

I have a real twit for a sister in law.  She was whinning because I made more money it the sawmill then she did for the forest service.

 

I never seen a forest circus employee work as hard as we did in the sawmill.  The labor wears out the body and by the time retirement comes around you have a body that is wore out from repetive motions.

 

I don't care what anyone else thinks.  Sawmill work is under paid for the damage done to your body.

 

I expect a Rough Neck would probably feel about the same way about their jobs.

 

It's all so easy to say that someone else is getting paid too much.  I think that is up to those who hold the job to decide if they will work at the wages offered for the job.

 

I doubt that an employer would try to pay more then what people will do the job for.

 

Seems I read a short time ago that those that have money think those that don't have as much money are getting more then what they are worth.

 

They need to try to do the job before Cutting others down that do it.

 

I ALSO DON'T CARE WHO AGREES WITH ME OR NOT.  We are all entitled to our opinion, but that does not mean everybody is right.   Since I've never worked in the oil Industry so I'll reserve judgement for those with more experince in the field.

 

It will never happen that we all agree on everything.  Big Squat,  Some people will judge others as lower class and less DESERVING of the wages earned.  Don't like the oil field workers?  Give up using petroleum and then maybe you might pack some wt.  Kind of like those that want to eliminate cutting trees for lumber but live in a wooden house (bunch of Hypocrites).

 

Taz,

 

I know that you are just like me in that you don't care about my opinion either, but you ARE WRONG!

 

My first job was in a slaughter house, after that, I worked as a custom cabinet maker, later still a custom laminate

worker.

 

Don't think that those who are responsible for taking care of your life and cleaning your feces up are worth more than manual labor?? How about teaching, which is a 4 year degree minimum. Want to compare apples to apples, explain to me how much more dangerous being a rough neck is than being a grunt in war right now, then explain to me how that same rough neck is worth multiple times in salary than that grunt.

 

Prove your point or keep movin on!

 

 

Roger

 

Roger,

 

I started working in the 6th grade.  Picking beans.  Early summer break mornings get up to catch the bus for 1 hour to 1.5  hour ride, pick beans all day.  Go home and do it again the next day.  Packed fence posts with my Grand Dad the 2 years In junior high.  Worked pretty much the rest of my life.

 

I have cleaned my share of the Hershy Squirts, laid on my back while a fat lady sat on a bedside comode seat and dug BM hoping that when the constipation was dug out loose stool would not follow.  At least until I could get out of the way.  Given my share of enemas.  I'm sure you get the idea.

 

I've done end of life care for more then I can remember.  There are always some that I will not forget.

 

I've worked on a locked Psych unit, Managed substance withdrawl from ETOH to Heroin,  Worked with PTSD patients.

 

I've worked as a charge nurse, med nurse, worked the floor and of course wiped butt and more.

 

I believed I was getting a "Fair" wage for my work.  I know if I had chosen I could have made more.  I have spent hundreds of dollars to take educational classes before you even consider travel,and lodging for what might be a 3 day seminar.  I seen some of the Doctors I knew attending some of the same seminars.

 

I have volunteered out of this country where I have had to pay air transport, hotel, and incidentals.  The purpose was to do cleft lip, cleft palates, and one of the Dr's was building cosmitic ears on the side of some of these kids.   I've held babies that had just come out of the OR and rocked them trying to comfort them. 

  I've ate cheeze with dead spiders in it, a dinner roll and coffe, cause that was what we were being served for breakfast that day.  Then worked 12 hours straight until we closed up for the day.  No break and lucky if anything for lunch.   I would not have traded any of this for money.  Too many memories of the kids, mothers of those kids, and community members who would open their home's to us.  Many took pride in serving us a meal or helping in any way they could.  One gentleman insisted that WE ALL stay at his house as we wound up that trip.  He didn't even know we were coming to his town.  Celebrated his Daughter's birthday with his family.

 

Anyhow I think this may express just a little of my familarity with end of life care.  Still needed housekeepers, Kitchen workers, CNA's and so many other people that are required to operate a hospital.  I've always believed they were just as important as I, when looking at the Big Picture of Health Care.

 

I have went outside and cried for patient I had just lost.  Then had to suck it up and care for those that remained.

 

I Advocated for my patients.

 

I do have a Nephew I'm proud to say is a United States Marine.  He does not make the money that some do.  But he volunteered and hopefully will become a better man for it.

 

Oh;  And my wife runs an Adult Foster Care home at our house.  So I live with people that are living near the end of their lives.

 

Guess that makes me having cared for those coming into this world.  Cared for those in their journey though life.  And done my best to comfort those at the end of their Days. 

 

I would have been more Brief, but you did say   "Prove your point or keep movin on!"   And I don't think I'm ready to move on.  I hope you don't either.  Gotta liven things up, sometimes it gets a bit dull.

 

The only guy I knew that worked the Rigs was one tough guy, hardworking.  And he was college educated.  I can't see him not being worth whatever he was getting paid. 

 

I would like to apologize to guest of this forum just passing by and reading this thread.  We didn't know that a forum member was so consumed with  "Feces".

 

@ rebuy,  Here, as in life, you build your reputation all by yourself.  I too enjoyed the elephant picture.  Reminded me of some experiences in my 'chosen' proffession where chit is an every day thing. 

 

 

He's talking about nurses (he was/is one). They have a **** job and get paid decent, but not extravagant amounts of money.

 

My wife is a RN and I was heading down that path until recently - my wife knows me well and she knows I'm not passionate about it, but that I was going to go down that path in order to meet some needs for my family. She wisely advised not to pursue it under those conditions or I would very quickly burn out.

 

She's a Smart Woman. 

 

 

We are middle class people, but our assets are starting to grow because we aren't paying the slaver's interest rates anymore. I refuse to pay interest to make the 1% richer. That's my story and I'm stickn' to it!

 

I guess you missed my point, but you're a pretty smart guy so I don't see how.  My point was that if you pay your credit card off every month, you're not paying ANY interest but you ARE growing your credit score.  It's a win, win.

 

My first home was built as I could.  Always had enough to eat and build.  Had to move and found that since I never bought anything on credit, I did not have a credit card I had no credit history.  That error in not building a credit history cost me.

 

  Now I do as Carl states and use it mostly for fuel and food.    And pay it off every month.  I have used a no intrest credit card to put a roof on a house we bought.  Made sure to pay it before it changed to interest on the principle.  Paying less then 3% on the house as now I have decent credit as does my Wife.

[Mallette]

Hope that it's not true about "Klipsch" being the only bonafide subject of discussion in the "General Forum", there's getting to be too many categories... And we've been out of gun powder in another forum , so I may just have to pack it in.

 

Chad's call when the forum was upgraded.  Not like we goose step around on topics in there, but it is supposed to be general Klipsch questions...

 

Dave

[Mallette]

Taz, I'll re-iterate that the "keep no balance" credit card route is excellent as I saw, but didn't learn, from my mother.  My own refusal to ANYTHING to the big banks is a political statement.  As I said, I maintain credit with a credit union.  I cannot see a situation where I'd have to go before the "man" for a loan in my remaining future.

 

The PAW has said for years that I come off as my own position being TRVTH on everything.  I do NOT mean it that way!  It is my truth, and mine alone.  Given my personal performance in life I am the last guy anyone should come to for advice, financial or otherwise.

 

Dave

[Taz]

Taz, I'll re-iterate that the "keep no balance" credit card route is excellent as I saw, but didn't learn, from my mother.  My own refusal to ANYTHING to the big banks is a political statement.  As I said, I maintain cred

it with a credit union.  I cannot see a situation where I'd have to go before the "man" for a loan in my remaining future.

 

The PAW has said for years that I come off as my own position being TRVTH on everything.  I do NOT mean it that way!  It is my truth, and mine alone.  Given my personal performance in life I am the last guy anyone should come to for advice, financial or otherwise.

 

Dave

 

 

Dave,  We use the Credit Union also.  That's where my spouse was able to get us a really inexpensive line of credit.  She got everything set up and all I had to do was sign some paper giving away my first born    

 

Doing something on principle is not wrong.  We need more people that will stand for their principals.

 

We have high enough limits that if we need a car say because we wreck one, we can do it.  In fact my wife bought her Miata with her credit card, came home an borrowed money from the credit union and payed of the card

 

I prefer to take the big banks money, or at least  let it work for me.  Case in point was when we put the roof on.  I could have gotten a small loan for part of the cost of the project.  I'd rather keep my money in the credit union working for me. 

 

Even if it's $$$ charged on groceries and paid off monthly I can draw interest on it and build up rewards points/check to be sent to me at my request.

 

Nothing wrong with choosing a different road then I.

Edited January 29, 2015 by Taz

[Gilbert]

Other overpaid jobs, in my opinion: 1. Reality TV show "actors" 2. Producers of reality tv shows

 

 

Are you saying the Kardashians don't work hard for their money?

[Taz]

 

Hope that it's not true about "Klipsch" being the only bonafide subject of discussion in the "General Forum", there's getting to be too many categories... And we've been out of gun powder in another forum , so I may just have to pack it in.

 

Chad's call when the forum was upgraded.  Not like we goose step around on topics in there, but it is supposed to be general Klipsch questions...

 

Dave

 

 

I would think that Klipsch speakers requiring additional equip this would be a non-issue.

 

To have a forum that people who have Klipschs is great.  Heck you don't even need to own Klipsch Products to be a member.  I like my Klipsch speakers,  But I also like my IMF's and some other speakers.  To restrict discussion to only Klipsch topics, not allowing non-Klipsch speakers to be discussed could very well cause someone to Pass on this Forum.  This would amount to less people to be influenced by our opinion of speakers.  Maybe it could be said that at times most of us (?) are sometimes kind of unofficial ambassador's for Kilipsch.

 

We all have seen questons asked and members respond. Such as; Which Amp to run with a speaker (usually Klipsch), or which speaker to get, usually Klipsch.   But to be able to discuse other's products allows for more interaction and more of us buying Klipsch.  Hopefully some will like our review/opinions of a klipsch product and maybe buy a new product.   Something that down the road someone would be able to say "I got his from my dad or granddad" and it will mean something to them.

[Mallette]

I am not being clear.  No sub forum is restricted to Klipsch-only.  I've seen other brands touted by owners as better than Klipsch more than once over the years and, unless it was a dealer or somebody just being a complete ahole, no problem.  However, there are some loose rubrics about what is discussed where, 2 channel being an obvious example as a place not intended for talking about the blacks on your video display. 

 

The "Lounge" is where all non-audio discussions are welcome with the exception of no religious disputes...prayers and good wishes to Forum members excluded...and no political debates are to be discussed.  Even the political and religion rules are loosely enforced unless it gets really obvious or a report is made. 

 

Point is that if it was just one big Forum it would be a mess.  Some self-discipline in staying on at least a general topic helps everyone be in their happy place.  I don't think there is a trigger happy moderator in the place.  I know them all and we rarely take action without asking advice as we want as open dialog as possible.  I've never seen a better group of people on the internet, and it's especially surprising in a field like audio where there are a vast range of passions and opinions.

 

Dave

[Gilbert]

I would think that Klipsch speakers requiring additional equip this would be a non-issue. To have a forum that people who have Klipschs is great. Heck you don't even need to own Klipsch Products to be a member. I like my Klipsch speakers, But I also like my IMF's and some other speakers. To restrict discussion to only Klipsch topics, not allowing non-Klipsch speakers to be discussed could very well cause someone to Pass on this Forum. This would amount to less people to be influenced by our opinion of speakers. Maybe it could be said that at times most of us (?) are sometimes kind of unofficial ambassador's for Kilipsch. We all have seen questons asked and members respond. Such as; Which Amp to run with a speaker (usually Klipsch), or which speaker to get, usually Klipsch. But to be able to discuse other's products allows for more interaction and more of us buying Klipsch. Hopefully some will like our review/opinions of a klipsch product and maybe buy a new product. Something that down the road someone would be able to say "I got his from my dad or granddad" and it will mean something to them.

 

 

 

Well, aiiiiiiint you special......... So you wanna talk about another speaker eeeeh son.

 

 

I'll be reporting you to the proper authorities.... Chad!! We have another one!.... line him up, against "The Wall".

 

 

Think of the possibilities man!!!.... One amp,  One Speaker........... the combinations are endless.

Edited January 30, 2015 by Gilbert

[Mallette]

Crikey, Gil.  That may be the biggest stretch yet in invoking Godwin's Law. 

 

I assume you figured 22 pages without it was too long? 

 

Dave

[dtel]

I don't think there is a trigger happy moderator in the place.

 

Well we only got one bullet to start so I'm trying to not shoot myself in the foot, or worse.

[Travis In Austin]

 

Other overpaid jobs, in my opinion: 1. Reality TV show "actors" 2. Producers of reality tv shows

 

 

Are you saying the Kardashians don't work hard for their money?

 

Well I wasn't going to mention any names, but that was who instantly popped to mind when I thought of that category. 

[Gilbert]

Well, so much for the price relief.

 

http://www.newser.com/story/202107/us-oil-workers-launch-biggest-strike-since-1980.html

[BigStewMan]

Three weeks ago, i drove to NoCal to attend a funeral.  Fueled up here in SoCal …use premium and it was $2.49 a gallon.  Same gas station now -- $3.26.   those low prices didn’t last long.