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Caution: Longish review. If you fancy a read, grab your favorite cocktail and enjoy. If you don’t drink, this might be significantly more painful for you. A little bit of background about listening preferences: My reference system consists of a pair of all-original 1978 Altec 19 with 416-8B woofers and 802-8g tweeters, both with the AlNiCo magnets. I mostly stream lossless audio from my Mac to a Maverick Audio D1 DAC. The speakers are driven from a Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II tube integrated amp. I enjoy a balanced sound that leans toward warm and lush. If given the choice, I prefer to sacrifice the edge of detail to have a more musical experience. I don’t need to hear if Mark Knopfler has a booger hanging out of his nose or not; I want to enjoy music. I tried the three sets of speakers with two setups, the Maverick DAC with tube out to an NAD D 3020 integrated, and the Maverick with SS out to a Denon 2808ci receiver working as a preamp to a B&K Video-5 amp. The Quartets have been updated with Crites’ titanium tweeters and new crossovers. RP-280F First, anyone concerned about efficiency on these - stop worrying. These play at almost the same exact level as the other two. They are rated at 98db, the Heresy 99db, and Quartet 97.5db. Perhaps they are not exactly 98, but they are so close it doesn’t matter. I didn’t bother using my SPL meter – it wasn’t worth testing what was clearly a very close race. Shoving a flashlight into the rear tractrix port, and getting my nose in there, I could see bracing that I assume extends the height of the speaker. I wasn’t about to take apart brand-new speakers to see what else may be going on in there. While music is playing, the cabinet has just a small amount of vibration and feels solid. It’s not a bank vault, but it’s not the singing box of years past, either. This new design and bracing gets the cabinet out of the way of the sound, which leaves no trace of “boxiness” in the RP-280F’s listening profile. I have begun calling the RP-280F “the Skinnies.” At 43” tall, they make the Quartets look short, and the Heresy III positively dumpy. It’s no surprise that the Skinnies have the most modern look of the three, and may actually be accepted by your spouse – the one who may have thought once or eighteen times about setting ablaze your 1970s boxes. I gave the Skinnies 25-30 hours of break-in before making final judgments. Out of the box, they had plenty of highs and lows, but they had a leanness in the midrange. At first, listening to them felt like enjoying a pile of nachos without the meat, cheese, or sour cream. After letting them play awhile, more meat appeared in the midrange. You might be thinking, “Nope, your ears got used to it.” False. I did an A/B vs the Quartets within the first couple hours of hooking the Skinnies up, and then 30 hours in. At first, the Skinnies sounded lean, and were lacking warmth. I was ready to dismiss them and deal with the expletive-laden process of packing them up and sending them in for return. Thirty hours in, the tonality became sweeter, and lusher like their distant cousins, the Quartets. This was verified with an A/B switch. What was initially a lean sound became more rounded, but with layers of detail. The voices have left the box. The Skinnies’ cabinet design produces a clean, open sound that is free from the confines of its dimensions. I challenge any “golden ear” audiophile, in a blind test, to tell me these are horns. Thanks to the new hybrid tractrix horn , there are no horn colorations on these guys,. With an updated crossover design, these speakers create an incredibly smooth sound. They also have enough detail to satisfy, but they’re not the last word in transparency. And I don’t care. They’re that satisfying. Depending on your source equipment, some glassiness will rear its ugly head in the upper registers (8khz+). This wasn’t apparent when using the setup mentioned for review, but when using a Schiit DAC and some terrible cables, there was a need to reduce 8khz and 16khz by ~1db. Distortion? None. I’m sure there will be people that will crank these a lot louder than I am willing to go. But at the borderline scream-to-the-person-next-to-you level at which I played them, I heard no distortion. The bass stayed clean and all parts of the mix stayed together without any compression. Speaking of bass, that’s incredible. They dig deep and clean. Very clean. No bazooka-tube subwoofer here. Efficiency and speed are virtues of the updated woofers. There was power and texture to some drums that I have not heard since a couple years ago when I heard a set of GamuT RS9. I bought these knowing they are not hand-built and that they have vinyl veneer. The veneer is actually pretty neat looking, with deep and dramatic vertical grains, but it isn’t actually wood. Sitting next to the Quartet and Heresy, which are both veneered in real oak, there is an obvious difference. Since I don’t generally stare at the sides of them or touch them, I don’t particularly care about that. Generally, I’d much rather pay for drivers and engineering than a beautiful cabinet with cheap parts, and to that end, the RP-280F delivers exactly what I expected. However, if I could, I’d pay for both the cabinet and parts, which basically means I’d be paying for their big brother, the RF-7ii. Cheap veneer is one thing, but the detail that makes me want to throw a tantrum in the middle of the grocery store is the final fit of the parts. The rubber horns are easily peeled back to reveal double-stick tape to hold them down onto the baffle. The horn does fit snugly into holes like a traditional speaker grill and they aren’t going anywhere, but I don’t want to see double stick tape on these - anywhere. Verdict: Put extra holes to place them in, charge me an extra $50, I don’t care. Get rid of the tape. In the end, the Skinnies are like a fine martini; they’re sophisticated, clean, and slightly sharp. They remind me of a blend of the airy precision of the Martin Logan ESLs, and the bass power of the Magico Q7 Mkii. The RP-280Fs are also finicky like a martini. If you use bottom-shelf booze, you get a drink that will get you where you need to go, but you probably won’t enjoy it very much; there will be harshness and regret. Use something more full-bodied and clean, and you’ve got yourself a pleasant evening. There are speakers with more detail, and those that are warmer, but overall, the sound of the RP-280F is balanced and pleasant. Quartet Why are you in a box? Come out of the box. Seriously, why must the sound be coming from a box? OK, we’ll go with it. Switching from the 280 to these, the sound felt like it was being thrown at you from directly inside the box. You can hear the box, you can hear the horns, but if you leave them playing for a minute or two, you do forget about that. They have a sweetness to their sound that is like being sung to sleep by your favorite aunt. They approach the detail of the 280, but cannot match it. Some portions of the music are smoothed over, blended up, and played back with a cream cheese coating. The Quartets only had the slightest bit more warmth in voices than the 280, but lack the air and detail. With their airless cream cheese, it would suggest much more warmth than the 280, but an A/B switch reveals the biggest differences are detail and extension. Playing louder, I sensed the tiniest hint of harshness to the sound as compared to the 280. Without the 280 in the room, this goes completely unnoticed. Neither of these will have a problem destroying your ears at concert-level volumes, if that’s what you’re into. Rather than a sharp martini, the Quartets are a creamy cup of coffee on a cold winter’s day. They are enjoyable to listen to, and it’s only with an A/B test that you can really hear their faults. Heresy III These guys are squatty, ugly, they image too low, and don’t have as much detail as either of the other two. Voices from the Heresies still come from a box, but just like the Quartet, you quickly forget about the boxy sound. As the Heresies played, I felt as though they were wearing velvet while a monk played panpipes and stroked my hair. Their sound is purely relaxing. Voices are slightly recessed, and lack some air, but have a richness to their tone. Both the Heresy and Quartet can throw a wider soundstage than the 280, but lack the pinpoint imaging. Wider baffles seem to be able to create a wider stage much more easily. Regarding the Heresy, the velvety sound, with a wider soundstage, creates a more intimate experience. There is most definitely a Heritage sound, and I like it. The 280 are close when you really focus, but you won’t mistake them for any Heritage model, even if you’re drunk on that martini. Conclusion If I had to choose just one set to live with, it would be the Heresy. They are angled up, looking at you like eager puppies, and are ready to play. They put a smile on my face whenever I see or hear them. Filled with soul and emotion, they are special in a way the new 280s can’t touch. These will be sticking with me, for a good, long time. But let’s say I get to keep two pairs. If that were the case, I’d be keeping the Heresy and the 280. Their tonality is very close, and I get to experience more detail with the 280. It is important not to mistake this detail for brightness. Yes, the Heresies are a tick warmer, but the 280 are not lacking. For their location (my family room, in the heart of my house), the 280 are more visually acceptable, and as an added bonus, are mind-blowing for movies. If I had another room that needed speakers, I’d keep all three.7 points
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I am ashamed to admit this, but this thread is the place to do it. I set a record the last 7 days, I had 2 cups of coffee all week. But I substituted Bloody Marys for the coffee so after a while I didn't even notice, back to coffee now, that could only last for so long. I love coffee6 points
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That's because she is smart, think about it, you are powered by coffee, she does not want you running out of power. Smart girl4 points
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Thank you, yes all in one piece and no one was left behind on an island. And yes as promised we had one or more of these (pic) for everyone here but in about 50 different flavors, for you Carl I had a few chocolate martinis.4 points
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Glad to see everything is going good here, I have some back reading to do but no time right now. Trip went great, part of the reason for a slow recovery, the rest after a vacation. Everyone had a good time and it got a little crazy at times but no one got in trouble.4 points
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Thanks, it seems that due to this thread I'm starting to spend more money again as I just ordered "Live at Blues Alley" and "Nightbird."4 points
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it rained here for about four minutes....woo hoo! drought over.4 points
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I just realized (and did some research to verify) that this July is when Mike & I first ordered our Jubilee's and this coming August will be the 10th anniversary of ownership. I guess Mike will have to do a 3,650 days of ownership review... I'll just say that they still rock!3 points
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^^^^^^^^^NICE^^^^^^^^^ Glad you guys had a good trip safe trip.... MKP :-)3 points
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I had to get the bags anyway or I would have been in the same boat tomorrow and 2 days in a row waking up with no coffee...............I can't even conceive that.3 points
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I gotta say I love my coffee as I nurse through 10 partial cups a day. But to sit in a drive through 14 deep, I'm sorry but no way. Good on you but I would have to find an alternative, Mickey D's black would work in that instance. At least you fortified the inventory which makes the wait worthwhile I suppose. Can only imagine 14 people with one ordering a mocha mocha, half this, a quarter that, your choice on the next quarter, with lite whipped cream applied to look like the Washington Monument, two cherries on top, two straws one shorter than the other and no hotter than 78.4 centigrade. Oh yeah, they are Germans and ordered in the native language. Good luck Pete, see you this evening.3 points
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Well, I took the plunge. Ordered P-37s, the center, the surrounds. Went with Merlot. I could have gone either way on color, but I know the wife will like the Merlot. Thank you all for your comments and advice. It was helpful.3 points
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Got up early this morning at went to brew a pot of DD coffee, as always, but surprise, out of coffee so a quick ride to the DD so I could get in the drive through line from hell (14 in front of me to get to order) and got 1 big x-large to go and 4 bags of coffee to replenish the stock. Still drinking coffee to try and correct the caffeine balance.3 points
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One cup of hotel coffee as they ran out. Why stay here? It's walking distance to our favorite watering hole which allows cigar smoke with the beer. Did a high speed pass by my rental property, looks good. Need to call home and get the sprinklers turned off after hearing the rain news; new rain meter not yet calibrated.3 points
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I'd hate to be the one responsible for getting this thread locked so I'll leave this one alone.3 points
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Rivervalleymgb, your vet should be sending you a ham at Christmas. Sounds like you have a whopping bill there!3 points
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More about feral cats.... The neighbor (who doesn't claim any of them) lets his cats breed like rabbits, then torches or shoots the offspring he can find. Judy and I have been catching them and getting them fixed. So far, we have fixed about a dozen. Two of them got caught in his engine bay last winter and we ended up having to take them in for front leg amputations. Of the ones we have had neutered, two have been slaughtered in the highway, five have ended up becoming house cats (strange for a dog groomer to have so many cats), two have remained untouchable (caught them in hav-a-hart traps), and one has become a garage guard cat. The vet has told us not to bring anymore wild cats they have a hard time handling! (Of course, they will take any that we bring since feral cats are such efficient predators of wildlife.3 points
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Carl, can you send some of that to BigStewMan and his neighbors?3 points
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Possible 10" of rain here today. No, I'm not kidding. Welcome to the Gulf coast.3 points
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70 and sunny today......bike ride in order. Cup number 2 under way LF closing on new place May1st....she is excited. Across the creek from my place3 points
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sometimes it doesn’t suck being me.3 points
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^^^^^^^you are da man^^^^^^^^ MKP :-)3 points
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I saw that BigStewMan picked one of the sisters. But I like both of them.3 points
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I almost forgot, we babysat for my grandson Saturday night as well.3 points
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I believe high quality Reel to Reel Tape has been coming back. More slowly but coming back none the less.2 points
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I agree. Now I wouldn't go off modifying them right off the bat. I would keep them stock (if possible), listen for about 6 months. After that upgrade the caps and listen for another 6 months. Reason I say do this, sometimes you might find that you love the stock sound and you realized this is the best bang for the buck set of speakers you have ever owned. This exact reason is why I never changed anything on my Cornwalls except refreshing the caps.2 points
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I saw that BigStewMan picked one of the sisters. But I like both of them. Great picture; here you go, that picture deserves a lot more of the pixels on the screen than it was getting as a thumbnail photo.2 points
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Hey....where you been?? Haven't seen you post all weekend....and yes, good moring... MKP :-) Busy this weekend. We ordered a ceiling fan for the bathroom and my wife didn't like the shade so I stripped it completely down, painted it, reassembled it and hung it in the bathroom. I also painted and installed 2 AC vents there as well. The commode tank got set and all the electrical switches, plugs and trim plates got changed. My wife noticed some grout cracking in the spare bathroom we're using so it got dug out and replaced. We also had to bowl 6 games yesterday. I had to show up to work this morning to take a break.2 points
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