ClaudeJ1

When I was just a kid out of college, I ordered all the Klipsch Papers, including the "Dope from Hope" dealer newsletters. Paul Klipsch had plans for two things that he built for himself, and I did the same. One was a resistor box to get a mono center channel from any stereo line source, and the other were False Corners for Khorns. About 9 years later, I spent a day with PWK. We met at the factory in Hope, then he took me back to his house. He had TWO false corners in his large living room for his Khorns. Everything PWK ever wrote about, he actually did. He was fully aware of the issues his customers had concerning natural corners and came up with a solution that he used for himself. Basically you buys studs and make 4x4 foot corners that you cover with drywall. The corner horn mouth extension doesn't do much beyond 4 ft, so that is big enough. In my case I made one out studs and drywall, with a 3ft x 4 ft stabilizer tail ("L" shaped as viewed from the top). It's a cheap and easy solution to having horn bass which is FAR superior to a Cornwall bass, even though it's the same woofer.

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Indeed. I didn't notice it was in Garage Sale initially, and I apologized a few posts ago. Nobody's perfect.

Aah, the smell of bullshit in the morning. It smells like... Filter firmly in place. Now I can breathe.

Claude it was designed for Klipsch's 3-way as well as for their smaller 2-way cinema systems and not just as a tweeter..! I don't know how davis419b feels but I wouldn't appreciate someone coming into my for sale thread with this sort of posting. davis419b sorry for my post in your thread but I thought this should be clarified and lessen any confusion for someone interested in your sale as well as the K510. miketn Hey Mike, You are right I dont like it ! Problem is it is not an accurate statement. I have KPT-904's that came with a 510 horn from 1998 which is long before the Jubilee was designed. I have never measured anything with anything other than my ears and they dont agree with Claude. They may not sound good on top of his LaScala type bass bins but they sound great on top of Jubilee bass bins ! My apoligies if my post offended anyone. Never meant for that to happen. The 510 is an amazing performer for such a small horn and yes, it's often used with a LaScala bottom and Jubillee, or, especially, with Direct Radiator bass bins, simply because those bass bins go up higher in frequency response that a Khorn, I get it. Yes it sounds good. I don't want to take anything away from it. I'm not anti 510 in any way, I'm Pro 402. But Mike, if you think the 510 is so great how come you have a 402 on top of your Jubes? It's a great compromise, size wise, but to say "pas de difference" is a bit of stretch. In the Pro Line, it's used PRIMARILY, as a tweeter in a 3-way system, which, because of the beaming of the 402 at 8Khz, is a good reason to go 3-way. It's no secret that I prefer 3-way over 2-way and there are valid reasons to prefer 2-way as you do. I just wanted to point out that based on the lower frequency performance, where Roy has proved and stated that a compression driver wins over a bass horn in terms of transient response and lower distortion at those critical midrange frequencies 300-600 Hz. and also the reason that a "mid bass" section exists in that critical area in a high power (non-home) application. So to my ears, the ability to cross lower in a horn that works well down there is sonically superior to a 600 Hz. Xover point just to be able to stretch a TAD into Super Tweeter territory for Phase Coherence (I get that choice too). So yes, of ALL of the Klipsch Mid Horns I have owned and heard, the K-510 is superior to all of them. You all know what the exception is. Again, my apologies for butting my head in where it didn't belong. Over and out.

The most major effort in the Xovers has been to tame the peaks in the bass horn.

Yep, me too. My fist pair were KCBR 1977 and it blew my mind to see 11 layer 1/2 inch plywood. Quality stuff!!

It doesn't. It's often been stated on the forum that the on-axis sound of the 510 is not that different from the 402. The 402 is better, but the difference is not like day and night, as you imply it is. It's not an implication, it's a measurable and listenable fact. You can't cross a 510 at 300 Hz. with any driver, preiod. Sorry. But for a little horn, it's a darn good one at higher frequencies. Heck it was designed as a high power TWEETER to go on top of a 402/K1133, for gosh sake. It loses pattern control at 3.3 times the frequency of a 402, and that's very important to a lot of people.

It's why so many detest horns...MERCILESSLY transparent. Makes the worst of bad recordings. Dave I believe in listening without MERCY. If a recording is crap, I listen in my car instead, as long as the music is even good enough for that, which some is crap and not good enough.

stolen. Unless you are a politician, which means you try and convince your constituents it's ok to pick up a turd from the clean end. Oh, and one more thing.............you can't polish one either.

stolen. Unless you are a politician, which means you try and convince your constituents it's ok to pick up a turd from the clean end.

Well Engineered CD's are just fine and MP3 files with 320 VBR are indistinguishable. The biggest problem is Dynamic Range Compression on Pop recordings where the producer says to the Engineer: "Make Everything louder than Everything else." It all goes in the toilet from there.

The bigger the Klipsch the bigger the fanatic. Mark and I went that route in late 2007 within 2 weeks of each other. I also had DR subs but never in the photos. So Yes I had 5-way too (7 1/2 feet tall), now I'm down to 4-way and staying there (technically it's 3-way with subs), although I will be lowering my present stack from 6 to around 5 feet. Getting ready to build my second bass horn since I just picked up some newly reconed EVM 15L's today from a local sound company. I do want to measure the first one before I built it's twin, just to make sure it performs like hornresp says it should. Since the 402 can handle half of the midbass duties, I'm crossing at 300 Hz. with a rugged 1133. I designed my bass horn from 60-600, so it will cross at 300 also, intead of 600 like Mark is doing, negating the need for a separate midbass, which the MWMs do need. I'll also be time algning my stuff after I prove out the new woofers. I will docoment my second bill and give out plans if it works. One of these days I'll get down there and hear Mark's system, even though I think he's gone overkill, I still admire what he has done, since he has the space for it. I don't.

Polarity, polarity, polarity, not phase...............please.

BTW, when I sold my second pair of Khorns (long story), I demonstrated them with a Sonic Impact CHIP amp, that cost me $26 plus a Radio shack wall wart, so, about $40 total, with a $39 DVD player that plays CD's (they all do). A Klipsch Engineer tested that amp for me on their laboratory gear and it was super clean up to about 6 Watts/channel. If Paul had lived long enough to see this piece of plastic that fits in the palm of your hand AND can run on 8 AA batteries, he would have approved. Why? Because he always said that the world needed a good 5 Watt amplifier and this certainly fit the bill. So the "plus the hardware to run them" is not true. You can drive Khorns to an impressive sound level with anything. You can get used receivers for less than $50 most anywhere. I once demonstrated my Khorns with the headphone output of my Sony Walkman, which put out a whopping 20 Milliwatts. You could not get to ear bleed levels with that, BUT is sounded amazingly good at what most people would consider "normal" volume levels. Khorns are the easiest speaker in the world to drive.

Oppo 83 SE with the Sabre DAC for 2 channel, which feeds line input on receiver that gets me Audyssey 2.1. Same Oppo's HDMI out to receiver for Audyssey 7.1. Yes, I know I'm converting twice, but who cares when the sound is so much better that way because of Time Domain Compensation for the ROOM, which is the most important component to control.

What else would you be putting in those corners that use up so little space so efficiently? A cabinet with glass doors with a bunch of useless ceramic figurines inside? Puhlease.

Is this announcement going to be relatively soon? Depends on your definition of soon. As engineer, I can gurantee two things that Klipsch and Co. cannot avoid, like all companies: 1) Murphy's Law Corrolary #48: "Everything takes longer than it takes." 2) During the design phase of any project, we must, at some point, shoot the engineers and start production!!

It's all relative to what you value. When I see 3-way speakers with pro drivers selling for $100,000/pair at the "high end" shows, driven by Six $10,000 monoblock amplifiers, it make me wanna gag. As soon as I was established at my first job out of college, I took out a loan to get a pair of Klipschorns and a LaScala center channel to allow a broader sound stage, just like the Klipsch Papers recommended. Per PWK's urgings, I also joined the Audio Engineering Society. Cost was about $2,200 with tax. Adjusted for inflation, that would be about $9,000 in today's dollars. Now keep in mind that these were the "ghetto Khorns" (dealer's term for them), KCBR, they were the "C" style, plain vanilla, raw Birch, which are not longer available. It would have cost me about 50% more to get Walnut Khorns and Belles, even more for exotic woods, no longer available. So adding 50% to my inflation adjusted figure, would be about $13,500 or $3,300 when I was just a kid. All my friends thought I was nuts to spend that much on speakers while they bought Camaros. Their cars were in the rust pile after 5 years, while I had my Khorns for over 30 until I upgraded. So it's not that brand new Khorns and LaScalas, in matching finish, are that expensive, it's PRECISELY the fact that the money your are buying them with these day's isn't worth as much. The price of Khorns has NEVER gone up, it's the money that got cheap!!

Buy as many horns as you can, especially in the bass.

or that critical. I'm sure if you ask a 56 foot long sound wave (20 Hz.) it won't care about a 3/8 rounding bit of a dimension being off by 1/4 inch!!! lol

I would like to remark that it is important to try any component in your own system before buying it. Listening to demonstrations at a store won't tell you how the component that you're interested in will perform in your system. Even if you are purchasing a complete system from the store, you won't know how the speakers will sound in your room until you get home. Yes and the room acoustics.......hmmmm....let's see......make about a plus or minus 15 db peak/trough ratio difference on the sound (1,000: 1) vs. .000000001 db for cables, and where is the money spent first?

I can hear it now. "whut the heck is all this white stuff doin' heah?" Canadians have to deal with the most snow each year, so they are prepared. Nothing can prepare those who have never experienced how slippery this stuff make the roads. I'm sure the insurance companies will be busy for a while.

That observation applies to most of us here.For what its worth I'll throw in my suggestion. Look at Fastlane's horns with new drivers. http://mysite.verizon.net/res12il11/id106.html As was said earlier there are so many things you can do it will make your head spin. Maybe someone would create a concise order of impact to cost list. I heard his 400 horns with Golden Jube bottoms at Panacea's place about 1 1/2 years ago and they do really sound good.

I don't doubt that this is a great setup, but kind of an extreme recommendation for someone poking around for a few upgrades don't you think? People come here and ask for a speaker recommendation at about $1K and they are told to buy Jubilees so I guess this is normal here but yikes. Not rtrying to stir the soup or anything, but this just seems extreme (just a little ). Option B is new caps in his 35 year old AA networks. You, sir, presume too much and appear to be long on opinion and short on complete reading skills. First thing I mentioned was BUDGET consideration. Then I presented both extremes, the last one being "replace all your capacitors with Dayton Polypropylenes" at the low end of the economic scale. I have put my time and money where my mouth is and done both extremes and everything in between to get to the "great setup" you say you don't doubt, but seem bent on making your unnecessary comment on. On my presumption comment. I have learned that people will spend money on things they VALUE, regardless of their socio-economic status. I have always worked with used gear on a limited budget, putting in "sweat equity" rather than spend too much cash (diminishing returns is alive and well in Audio). Back in Jr. High, I spent paper route money on used EV SRO woofers in a big cab, so I was a member of the 1% club as defined by PWK when I was 14 and my life changed after hearing Khorns for the first time. I got a bank loan to buy brand new Khorns when I got my first real job out of college (1977). So while I understand the well intentioned spirit of your comment, it's just YOUR opinion and not necessarily that of others who may want to take the "short cut" which I proposed after 6 years of "beyond Khorns" evolution, experience, and wasted time and money. I had the same setup as PWK himself for 30 years, until I hooked up with Klipsch chief engineer and decided HT was in my future. BTW, a Jubilee IS a Klipschorn, it's the new improved 50th anniversary "decorator" model, roughly the modern equivalent of my old KCBR's.