jjptkd Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 15 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: 38 is it. we measure a little better these days..... So the insinuation here is that the forte II didn't actually have a frequency response down to 32hz? Do you have data to support that or is this just speculation? The new woofers in the forte III use the accordion style surround and presumably thinner cone usually designed for mid and upper bass frequencies where as the forte II woofer used more of a "sub" style rubber surround with a thick papered cone which typically do better in the lower frequencies. Is there a model number out yet for the new woofer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 If it was always "38", It was certainly to me 38 Special Forte II bass IMO was always lower and more "appealing" than the cornwall bass. It just need to get here... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Bum Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Thanks for the feedback, Roy. Always a pleasure to interact with the Chief. I still have gobs of questions. I suppose I want to know all the secret forte sauce. I may have to visit in April and ply Roy with bourbon to get the answers. But if measurements are done better these days, I'm curious about those in the spec sheets for the earlier fortes (here and here). Both of those show extension below 38 hz. Presumably those measurements were taken in Klipsch's anechoic chamber, but for that extension, there must be more going on. Were they measured utilizing the false corners that were used for KHorn testing by chance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted February 3, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 3, 2017 23 minutes ago, Ski Bum said: Thanks for the feedback, Roy. Always a pleasure to interact with the Chief. I still have gobs of questions. I suppose I want to know all the secret forte sauce. I may have to visit in April and ply Roy with bourbon to get the answers. But if measurements are done better these days, I'm curious about those in the spec sheets for the earlier fortes (here and here). Both of those show extension below 38 hz. Presumably those measurements were taken in Klipsch's anechoic chamber, but for that extension, there must be more going on. Were they measured utilizing the false corners that were used for KHorn testing by chance? @Chief bonehead I know he's out of town right now but will respond when time permits. That being said @Ski Bum are you planning to attend the Pilgrimage? If so, are you on the Tentative Attendee List? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Bum Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Unsure but it is tempting, and no, not on the list yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted February 3, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 3, 2017 Just now, Ski Bum said: Unsure but it is tempting, and no, not on the list yet. You need to make this trip. Do you want me to add you to the Tentative Attendee List. PM me if you need more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Chi-town Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 3 hours ago, jjptkd said: So the insinuation here is that the forte II didn't actually have a frequency response down to 32hz? Do you have data to support that or is this just speculation? The new woofers in the forte III use the accordion style surround and presumably thinner cone usually designed for mid and upper bass frequencies where as the forte II woofer used more of a "sub" style rubber surround with a thick papered cone which typically do better in the lower frequencies. Is there a model number out yet for the new woofer? All documentation that I have from my pair purchased in 1992 shows a bottom response of 32HZ. As well as documentation on the Klipsch website. I believe that the new forte III will probably become the most popular, best selling speaker in the current Heritage/Extended Heritage lineup. However at $3,600 a pair, I will stick with my modified II's. Upgraded mid and tweeter diaphragms to titanium and put in a Crites made band pass rollover between squawker and tweeter. So, INMHO pretty darn close to a Forte III, along with a better low end. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Apex Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I want to order my pair in California black walnut asap! I talked to a salesman at the local Magnolia hifi design center this week. They don't know anything about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted February 4, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, The Apex said: I want to order my pair in California black walnut asap! I talked to a salesman at the local Magnolia hifi design center this week. They don't know anything about them. Go figure! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted February 4, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 4, 2017 @The Apex are you planning to attend the Pilgrimage to Hope in April??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam2434 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Is 38Hz anechoic? Perhaps they dig a few Hz deeper in-room? Regardless, 38Hz would be full-range enough for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted February 4, 2017 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 10:11 AM, jjptkd said: So the insinuation here is that the forte II didn't actually have a frequency response down to 32hz? Do you have data to support that or is this just speculation? The new woofers in the forte III use the accordion style surround and presumably thinner cone usually designed for mid and upper bass frequencies where as the forte II woofer used more of a "sub" style rubber surround with a thick papered cone which typically do better in the lower frequencies. Is there a model number out yet for the new woofer? naw. just making it up.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted February 4, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just now, adam2434 said: Is 38Hz anechoic? Perhaps they dig a few Hz deeper in-room? Regardless, 38Hz would be full-range enough for me. Hoping @Chief bonehead will answer this!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldred Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 1:30 PM, John Chi-town said: All documentation that I have from my pair purchased in 1992 shows a bottom response of 32HZ. As well as documentation on the Klipsch website. I believe that the new forte III will probably become the most popular, best selling speaker in the current Heritage/Extended Heritage lineup. However at $3,600 a pair, I will stick with my modified II's. Upgraded mid and tweeter diaphragms to titanium and put in a Crites made band pass rollover between squawker and tweeter. So, INMHO pretty darn close to a Forte III, along with a better low end. You say that now.....I thought the same thing at first....I can just rotate from any one of the 4 sets of Forte's I have ...but you will just have to go for it....Just start saving now Maybe give a pair to your wife for her birthday....Yea that's it...It ...could ...work George, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted February 4, 2017 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 1:30 PM, John Chi-town said: All documentation that I have from my pair purchased in 1992 shows a bottom response of 32HZ. As well as documentation on the Klipsch website. I believe that the new forte III will probably become the most popular, best selling speaker in the current Heritage/Extended Heritage lineup. However at $3,600 a pair, I will stick with my modified II's. Upgraded mid and tweeter diaphragms to titanium and put in a Crites made band pass rollover between squawker and tweeter. So, INMHO pretty darn close to a Forte III, along with a better low end. good for you!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted February 4, 2017 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 11:05 AM, Ski Bum said: Thanks for the feedback, Roy. Always a pleasure to interact with the Chief. I still have gobs of questions. I suppose I want to know all the secret forte sauce. I may have to visit in April and ply Roy with bourbon to get the answers. But if measurements are done better these days, I'm curious about those in the spec sheets for the earlier fortes (here and here). Both of those show extension below 38 hz. Presumably those measurements were taken in Klipsch's anechoic chamber, but for that extension, there must be more going on. Were they measured utilizing the false corners that were used for KHorn testing by chance? i do ipa beers..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted February 4, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just now, Chief bonehead said: naw. just making it up.... @Chief bonehead just thinking that some of the confusion on this could have come from the taped interview at CES. Could be wrong on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted February 4, 2017 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/3/2017 at 10:22 AM, jwc said: If it was always "38", It was certainly to me 38 Special Forte II bass IMO was always lower and more "appealing" than the cornwall bass. It just need to get here... none for you.....you have been a bad boy!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted February 4, 2017 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just now, dtel's wife said: @Chief bonehead just thinking that some of the confusion on this could have come from the taped interview at CES. Could be wrong on that! maybe, could the engineer be wrong? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted February 4, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just now, Chief bonehead said: maybe, could the engineer be wrong? Didn't realize the speaker was an engineer @Chief bonehead Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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