Emile Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 It all goes back to Einstein's field equations. Actually love these Think this solves @Harleywood 's speaker wire problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 You are truly a von Neumann amongst Einsteins... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, oldtimer said: von Neumann Yeah; Von Neumann made your Commodore 64 computer a reality. Darn ... guess we lost the "others" in this discussion. Cheers, Emile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I make my wire the exact length so the wire doesn't touch the floor and I don't have to use the expensive cable elevators. Sounds "tight". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtr20 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I've heard that tube gear can make a difference when it comes to cable length's being the same, but solid state doesn't matter (to a reasonable degree). I haven't experienced, just what I have read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 A tube amp doesn't care, until the wire reaches the length of a football field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Such is the nature of dc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, billybob said: Such is the nature of dc. Yep. Edison should have listened to Tesla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, mike stehr said: Yep. Edison should have listened to Tesla. To be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 2 hours ago, dtr20 said: tube gear can make a difference Sorry; NO. Physics remain the same ... we are just pushing electrons over a wire. And ... no (observable) time delays and no differences between 8/10/12/16 gauge wire sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 No one is "pushing electrons over wire". Electrons don't "flow"... Electrons are excited and vibrate. They bump into each other and current "moves" through them as they touch each other. http://amasci.com/miscon/eleca.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, Deang said: No one is "pushing electrons over wire". Electrons don't "flow"... Electrons are excited and vibrate. They bump into each other and current "moves" through them as they touch each other. http://amasci.com/miscon/eleca.html Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Aren't you supposed to run your wires though a bowl of screws? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleywood Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 Ok. This thread reminds me of what of what my life as a nerdy kid in elementary school used to be like. Only now I'm being harrased by my peers who actually have the same passion as me and that makes it all worthwhile. I'm off to buy some 250 mcm 32 strand 8 gauge oxygen free purple copper nitrogen blanketed suspended foam insulated shielded speaker fiber optic cable. You're all gonna wish you had this after you see the spectrum analyzer graph showing the sine waves at equal spatial differences across a broadened bandwidth. Don't even ask. I'm not giving up my supplier. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, Harleywood said: Ok. This thread reminds me of what of what my life as a nerdy kid in elementary school used to be like. Only now I'm being harrased by my peers who actually have the same passion as me and that makes it all worthwhile. I'm off to buy some 250 mcm 32 strand 8 gauge oxygen free purple copper nitrogen blanketed suspended foam insulated shielded speaker fiber optic cable. You're all gonna wish you had this after you see the spectrum analyzer graph showing the sine waves at equal spatial differences across a broadened bandwidth. Don't even ask. I'm not giving up my supplier. Excellent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 17 hours ago, Deang said: Electrons don't "flow" I stand corrected ... but it is just a matter of "description." See below Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 17 hours ago, Deang said: Electrons are excited and vibrate. They bump into each other and current "moves" through them as they touch each other Yes; maybe better than "kicking electrons down a wire," but still a "popular" description. Actually it is the same In intermediate physics, electrons ( charge carriers) are loosely bound in a conductive medium. One excited electron may "kick" another electron to the next "position," thereby creating a "current flow." In more advanced theories we start talking about "holes" and "virtual particles." But ... as @oldtimer pointed out, I only have "toilet paper" degrees, so who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebes Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Sounds like a big city subway station at rush hour. Gee I wonder if I'm the first one to think of that analogy? Not a believer in fancy wires for speakers or connecting components. Certainly at normal lengths in a typical home set-up, 14, 16 or 18 gauge are perfectly fine. There are probably are couple of hundred feet, at least, of other wire in a the entire signal chain of a typical stereo system. So logically, fiddling with a few feet "ain't goin to change nuthin", he said in his most bombastically accented rural dialect. Now some people on this Forum, who are people I indeed admire, swear by this stuff, and , hey it's their money. However, particularly in the case of cables, they are simply attenuating the signal which is not the design purpose of a connect, but certainly is of speakers, preamp, amp, dacs, turntables, cartridges, digital players, tuners etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 19 hours ago, Ceptorman said: Aren't you supposed to run your wires though a bowl of screws I use little magnets in a bucket filled with scotch. Sound awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Emile said: Yes; maybe better than "kicking electrons down a wire," but still a "popular" description. Actually it is the same In intermediate physics, electrons ( charge carriers) are loosely bound in a conductive medium. One excited electron may "kick" another electron to the next "position," thereby creating a "current flow." In more advanced theories we start talking about "holes" and "virtual particles." But ... as @oldtimer pointed out, I only have "toilet paper" degrees, so who knows? It would take a single electron hours to travel through 8 feet of copper wire, though the electrical current flow might be many coulombs per second. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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