Schu Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I am wondering, for those that have the head space, has anyone used of experimented with hanging sound baffles? I think I have room to hang some absorbing material like above... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windashine Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 No, to hanging absorbing material from the ceiling, but have considered it, since I have a 16' vaulted den, The only time I did put object's in the ceiling, was in 1975, and I found a case of lightbulbs in the garage, (the figure of 100 come's to mind) and meticulously punched them into the acoustic panels in our cabana, unwired, but quite spongy and accepting... I had a 15" 1960 University back then, in a homemade cabinet.... never figured out why I did that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, windashine said: No, to hanging absorbing material from the ceiling, but have considered it, since I have a 16' vaulted den, The only time I did put object's in the ceiling, was in 1975, and I found a case of lightbulbs in the garage, (the figure of 100 come's to mind) and meticulously punched them into the acoustic panels in our cabana, unwired, but quite spongy and accepting... I had a 15" 1960 University back then, in a homemade cabinet.... never figured out why I did that.... ... a combination of absorption and diffusion? A University 6303? It was a contender back in 1959. A schoolmate's family had a 6201, which was good, but only 12" ... I eventually went with a 15" JBL D130 "extended range" crossing over to a 075 "orange juice squeezer" tweeter. A homemade cabinet? Was there any other kind? It was quite a step up to Khorns, decades later. @Schu, I wonder how these baffles compare to plain absorbers attached to the ceiling. I wonder if anyone has compared them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parlophone1 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Experimented with just a touch of diffusion on the ceiling. It helped but have to mention that it was very reflective room, one glass wall, other parallel one empty concrete. A combination of absorption at the first reflection points, but only diffusion on the ceiling. It is worth a try. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, parlophone1 said: Experimented with just a touch of diffusion on the ceiling. It helped but have to mention that it was very reflective room, one glass wall, other parallel one empty concrete. A combination of absorption at the first reflection points, but only diffusion on the ceiling. It is worth a try. Or, if the room is not too overly live to begin with, just diffusion at the first reflection points, and over maybe 50% of the ceiling. I've seen lots of photos of studios and control rooms with lots of diffusion behind the listeners (back wall) and all over the ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 and: Plus, put up bookshelves (not bookcases) with books, art objects, pottery, etc. Let the Greek Attic pottery out of your attic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 I think they are also referred to as sound clouds also. What do you guys think the actual material is made from... for absorption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rplace Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I've got absorption on the ceiling in front of the listing position and diffusion above listen position but not hanging like that. The 3rd pic looks like pool noodles....closed cell foam. All of the absorbtion in my room is a spungy open cell foam. The first picture looks like hanging acoustic tiles with the fabric stretch over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windashine Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Hello, Thank you for an interesting topic to ponder upon, The first experience I had with an audible discovery, was standing under the middle of the Texas State Capital buildings' huge rotunda.... on the floor tiles marking the center.... In respect to sound, this pdf article link was offered as free, with a page link near the bottom to other products, room size, reflections, acoustic treatments and so on... https://www.soundcontrolroom.com/News_Saturn_Polycylindrical_Diffusor.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 The pricing on most all of these pre made panels is ridiculously high... I am thinking more about dyi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windashine Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The pool noodles would wiggle somewhat, when the a/c kicked on.... that throws acoustic hvac vents into the sound equation... Anything up in the ceiling eventually get dusty too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.4 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Atsacoustics.com has a good selection and good prices for sound absorbent materials. I ordered all of mine from there. I decided not to build a sound cloud as I am happy with how the room was transformed by the wall panels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWL Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The pricing on most all of these pre made panels is ridiculously high... I am thinking more about dyi...I went into an Italian beef/sausage joint about a year ago. The place was really big. The ceiling was exposed ductwork etc. They had a stage with pro gear....mixers etc. If I remember correctly it was for karaoke in addition to bands and background music.I glanced at the gear and speakers all around the place while it was playing background music because man it sounded really good. Much better than would have expected from that type of gear/equipment.Then I happened to notice the ceiling looked like Shu's first pic. They looked like 2x4 panels of rockwool(?). No fabric covering them....just naked and exposed but dark almost black in color so it worked pretty well. There was a LOT of them....I mean a LOT......and it sounded really good in there. No echo with a lively sound that was really nice to listen to.I might stop back in there today and take some pics but the food kinda sucked.Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rplace Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, SWL said: I might stop back in there today and take some pics but the food kinda sucked. Taking one in the gut for the team in the name of better sound, nice! 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I have a vaulted ceiling so there are TWO first reflection points on the ceiling at different distances from my seat. I chose to place 2x4 absorption panels in those spots which was a definite improvement but I wish I'd tried diffusion. Could try a combination. They also have decent prices here: https://www.acoustimac.com/ and they have supplies for DIY as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Geeeez, you could do the George Massenburg treatment... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I vote for the Massenburg, diy, of course. It'll go better with or even 🍄. On a more practical level, way back in the antedilluvian, PWK recommended DIY Bonner polycylinders, which helped keep one of his rooms from being "hooty." http://assets.klipsch.com/files/Dope_810601_v20n1.pdf?_ga=2.151245241.1079510187.1535095612-797547607.1525991139 Some people (who, by coincidence, market expensive diffusers) have said that polycylinders are not really "diffusers." Somewhere on this forum Artto discusses this in a most informative way. If wood diffusers are used, should they be hardwood? Polished and hard surfaced? I'd think so, to increase the efficiency of the diffusion. See Chris A's thread on corner horn imaging and the placement of absorption, even though your La Scalas aren't really corner horns, if they are near the corner, I think Chris's recommendations would apply. My wife built us some modest diffusers of the kind former forum member mas apparently liked. If I had it to do it again, I'd be inclined to mix in some deeper diffusers. We deliberately used a minimum of absorbption, but, if anything, the room is a bit too dead. In both the Avery Fischer Hall and the Davies Hall, they had vast acoustical problems, and almost cured them with acoustical clouds. In the Walt Disney Hall, when fine tuning it, they used lasers to simulate paths of sound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Taken with a terrible autofocus 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I mentioned this in Mike's thread, but this place has great info and designs for DIY. Very open source concepts to be used by everyone. I have all his designs downloaded. He is very helpful with questions as well. http://arqen.com Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted August 29, 2018 Moderators Share Posted August 29, 2018 I know they can help, but some of these design look really cool, this would be great to look more like art than mechanical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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