Noloft Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Sorry Craig, I'm sure you are a nice guy, but I just dont see where you have the right to blow off someone just because he does not share your point of view. Past history aside, of course. I like Cary audio (my local guys) and Decware amps, do you blow me off too? Not a personal thing, but a personal thing, get what I am saying? Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 OH SH!T [][][] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 Sorry Craig, I'm sure you are a nice guy, but I just dont see where you have the right to blow off someone just because he does not share your point of view. Past history aside, of course. I like Cary audio (my local guys) and Decware amps, do you blow me off too? Not a personal thing, but a personal thing, get what I am saying? Todd Well first off I don't blow anyone[] Second off the people I'm shrugging off here would never buy from me anyway. Third off its easy for you to say this your not the one being attacked personally and business wise. But like I said before your welcome to your opinion. Another thing you might do to weigh in on your opinion is the fact that I was on this forum long before I ever went into this business. I'm here for more then just business. I think someone parading around being something there not just to gain a sale is the real blow hard sleeze ball. I would never do business with a yes man. I'm sorry but that is just not me. All straight shooter here. Thanks for giving it a serious thought though. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazman Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Gee all the old trolls and even a new one. How festive. Jaz implying Dean is dishonest? Klipsch forum...priceless Obvious troll...clueless I did not say Dean is dishonest. Just goes to show how people read what they want into what they read. I am implying that Dean should never mention "track records" to me. Klipsch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazytubepower Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 "I don't get it. If Craig uses capitalist means to improve his lot in life how does that become unbecoming? You generally promote taking advantage of capitalism to better one's own life. Why is Craig doing it make him an "unethical parasite"? Or Dean? Or Al? Or anyone else? If they learn and promote products on the Klipsch forum which increases the enjoyment others have of Klipsch products, they are, by default, doing Klipsch a service and their fellow forum members as well. Great line by the way. "Unethical parasite". Damn that was funny. I will be certain to use it in a situation I deem more appropriate PS. It isn't like Craig is becoming rich and has an abundance of disposable income to spend on grammar or spelling lessons. Sorry, Craig. Couldn't resist." But craig isn't a capitalist, he disowned me because I purchased a product made in china, not only is that racist but is totaly not capitalistic!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 "I don't get it. If Craig uses capitalist means to improve his lot in life how does that become unbecoming? You generally promote taking advantage of capitalism to better one's own life. Why is Craig doing it make him an "unethical parasite"? Or Dean? Or Al? Or anyone else? If they learn and promote products on the Klipsch forum which increases the enjoyment others have of Klipsch products, they are, by default, doing Klipsch a service and their fellow forum members as well. Great line by the way. "Unethical parasite". Damn that was funny. I will be certain to use it in a situation I deem more appropriate PS. It isn't like Craig is becoming rich and has an abundance of disposable income to spend on grammar or spelling lessons. Sorry, Craig. Couldn't resist. [;)" But craig isn't a capitalist, he disowned me because I purchased a product made in china, not only is that racist but is totaly not capitalistic I didn't disown you in anyway. I emailed you and never received a reply. So I think it's the other way around. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazytubepower Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I am not even going to dignify that with a response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazman Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Okay let me try to give you a short history. Allan and Edmond have both been banned or given a time out here before. I have not if that might help you make a clearer judgment. The rest we would have to go back years to explain the under lying problems. This entire problem started from a post from a guy that literally hates my guts and the only reason the post was made was to goad me. Then they try to play off like what he was doing was trying to do me a favor. Trust me this guy would just as soon punch me in the mouth then to talk to me. He has threatened me bodily harm right on this very forum before and other people also. He may seem like a gentlemen but disagree with him and you will see the true man. Allan is usually a great guy and honestly for the most part I like him. But he stuck his noise where it did not belong at least IMHO. This thread would of floated off into never land if they would of just left well enough alone. This entire argument was covered and ruled upon by Klipsch long ago. Many of us have been on this forum for 4 years or more so what shows on the surface to someone that may not have been here this entire time can be very misleading. Everyone knows that I will not back down when I feel I'm in the right or attacked. The fact is I haven't started a thread that was pertinent to my business in a very long time. I pop one up and then this simple request thread and what you see is what I get. Craig What a onesided presentation you have there. "If" you're such a nice guy, why would anyone hate your guts? But I digress...........Anything I've ever said to you, has been well earned by you. The fact that you think you can run roughshod over people because you don't like what they say to you, has always been one of your many personality ills. Anyone who doesn't maintain an email or even a snail mail list of customers, or does not know the value of such, speaks volumes. I would expect to see Klipsch hawk their wares here. I don't read this forum to see your wares hawked here. I certainly have a right to say so, whether you or your cadre like it, tough. Keep your spam on your site. Klipsch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 When did I ever say I was a nice guy? I am nice when people are nice to me. I am always nice to my customers. As far as the business between me and young James you have no clue about what expired. Again it is another instance when it is none of your business. I'm sure in your veiw I do deserve anything you ever said to me.So tell me what does one do on a public forum that would deserve physical bodily harm threats?I have news for you... I have on my PC every corrospendence I have ever had through email with any customer. Once again you have no clue.This methods was just easier and completely harmless well until you got involved. Explain to me how this thread or the C22 thread hurts a single living person? I'll post whatever I please as long as I'm told its okay by the owners, this is not your website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Jaz -- not that I really want it broadcasted on the forum, but what in the heck didn't I "keep my word" about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Mandaville Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Craig: Just two cents worth for informational purposes only -- I'm not debating the topic. Other companies like Welborne Labs, Transcendent Sound, Decware, etc., all have user/customer forums available on their websites. This might be helpful in both a professional image and marketing sense. You could also have a 'department,' as it were, reserved for personal testimonials that customers have sent by personal email. IOWrds, when people, perhaps on this forum, ask for information regarding opinions of the VRDs or repair/modifications of existing equipment, you could refer them to that part of your website that's dedicated to those subjects. It could be an appropriate way of handling this possibly somewhat sensitive aspect of business. Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 You mean NOS Valves hasn't made Craig a brazilianaire? Ok then, I take it all back! [] What will you take back, Alan? Your dirty records? [] P.S. This is a crazy thread. Why take pot shots at Craig? I don't own VRD's. But I like reading about them. Just as I like reading about other products here, whether manufactured by a forum member or not. The 2 channel forum is all about amplifiers that match with (mainly) Klipsch loudspeakers. If Craig, Alan, or any other forum member wants to start a thread up about their music related interests, so be it. Ultimately, those that purchase their products, will benefit from the success these forum members may enjoy via lower costs and a greater selection to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Did you hear about courdoroy pillows? They're making headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 Craig: Just two cents worth for informational purposes only -- I'm not debating the topic. Other companies like Welborne Labs, Transcendent Sound, Decware, etc., all have user/customer forums available on their websites. This might be helpful in both a professional image and marketing sense. You could also have a 'department,' as it were, reserved for personal testimonials that customers have sent by personal email. IOWrds, when people, perhaps on this forum, ask for information regarding opinions of the VRDs or repair/modifications of existing equipment, you could refer them to that part of your website that's dedicated to those subjects. It could be an appropriate way of handling this possibly somewhat sensitive aspect of business. Erik Erik, Thanks I have actually discussed this very same thing a few times with my webmaster. I also discussed paying for a spot at AK for an NOS Valves forum. The big problem is that it costs money and to be honest I barely make ends meet in this business and its not a lack of business that is the problem. It just simply not about getting rich with me. So I end up working many hours for free. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Amy Posted October 17, 2005 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2005 Craig, There is absolutely nothing wrong with your initial post whatsoever. You a good person and run a great business. We're proud to have you as a member, and if this forum provides a convenient means to communicate with your customer base, then I'm glad it's at your disposal. People can disagree with your methods if they want to, that's what's great about an open forum. However, let's continue to leave the personal attacks out of it, as always. Viral marketing via company forums is extremely common and widely accepted practice. As a consumer, I actually perfer it. If you don't like the topic, you don't have to click it! As Klipsch, as long as you are reputable and not completely obnoxious or repetitive (and not a competitor!), we are not bothered by it. If you really want to campaign against an intrusive advertising tactic, go after the companies that use telemarketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customsteve01 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Well said Amy. I really like reading all of Craig's post. He has turned something that most of us only dream about into a reality. IMHO I think the posters that dislike what he does are probably just jealous. Keep up the good work Craig. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Well, Mark.... when you put it that way . . . I hope Craig DOES make a brazilion dollars with NOS Valves. And I'll bet that rebuilt C22 would absolutely SING with a pair of VRDs and a good vinyl rig!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I agree Amy. Thanks for setting everyone straight. As a forum member I REALLY value the services that not just Craig offers, but all the guys who are providing services that improve upon my Klipsch experience. I hope they are seen by Klipsch this way. I look at where I stand in this hobby now after hanging on this forum for the last couple of years, and where I stood prior, and it's like night and day. I rarely go out anywhere and here a sound system that sounds better than what I have at home. (I haven't been to any forum members houses yet! LOL). Anyhow, the improvements are mostly all because of what and who I ran into here. I'm glad it's viewed as positive by Klipsch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2RockU Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 ....good, it looks like this thread is finally "milked". Now I can go back to listening to MY VRD's ! [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 Craig, There is absolutely nothing wrong with your initial post whatsoever. You a good person and run a great business. We're proud to have you as a member, and if this forum provides a convenient means to communicate with your customer base, then I'm glad it's at your disposal. People can disagree with your methods if they want to, that's what's great about an open forum. However, let's continue to leave the personal attacks out of it, as always. Viral marketing via company forums is extremely common and widely accepted practice. As a consumer, I actually perfer it. If you don't like the topic, you don't have to click it! As Klipsch, as long as you are reputable and not completely obnoxious or repetitive (and not a competitor!), we are not bothered by it. If you really want to campaign against an intrusive advertising tactic, go after the companies that use telemarketing. Amy, Thanks you for clarifying Klipsch's policy! I know I can get ruffled at times but I just can't seem to help it. But darned if a few are doing there best to bring out that type of response. This is the exact reason I refrain from doing post like the C22 thread I started as frequenty as used to do long before I started NOS Valves. I really don't get the people that take effense by me doing it. They were here back then and I did the very same type of posts since the very first tube amp I worked on. At that time it was all hunky dory with these same few people. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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